Global War Imminent

With the latest unsurprising developments from Iran (UN Security Council), I don't see how an all-out global war is avoidable. I believe it's fairly obvious this is what Ahmadinejad wants, and he's doing a good job of baiting the US. Look at everything that's happened since he gained power. If the US invades Iran, I believe they will gain enough sympathy from other countries that we will be looking at another world war. If we don't invade, we basically fold and give-in to Ahmadinejad. I honestly don't believe there's a diplomatic way out of this mess - Ahmadinejad won't allow it. If we just leave him alone, he'll eventually attack someone. Hell, if we don't start it, he will. I'm a 33 year old male and starting to wonder how I'll look in desert fatigues. What does everyone think? Are we screwed, or is there really a way out?

Whoever throws the first punch will be the one who starts the big one.
If the US invades, you just may find yourself drafted.

I personally think that if the US just minded it's own business, things would cool off. What we see right now is a war of words or propaganda.
Puffed out Pigeon chests on both sides. CooOOoo COOooOO!

If the US was threatening your country (of course if you are not American) would you not want to defend yourself?
I don't get how people don't get that?!?

He won't start the war, the US and its allies will start it, under pressure of the US government.

And yes, you are right, Ahmadinejad wants war, more countries will meddle and there we go... I bet it will be Europe/Australia/US - Iran, Syria, Palastina.

I wonder what the role of China, Russia, Pakistan, and India will be.

I wonder what the role of China, Russia, Pakistan, and India will be.

They'll protect their interests, as they should.

Does the USA sell any of them oil?

Oh, I see.


Well, good luck.

Blair does not have the balls,

edit: What I meant to say was Tony Blair Has not got the balls, or public support to back Bush or the USA in a strike against Iran. Ut is about time they all got thier head out of the sand and grow up....

Besides as for manpower the UK would not be abe to support the usa in an invasion on Iran....

I wont hold my brethe though lol

China gets their oil from Iran. And Iran gets the weapons from Russia.
Iran is relevant for China and Russia.

Sanctions will not work. UN knows that.

Russia suggest to let Iran a small and controleld nuclear programm.
US! refuses this.

Therefore UN will not find a solution. Except one of the 3 sides (Iran / China+Russia / US) gives up it's position which will not happen.

Bush has not the resources and money for the war so wants to drag Europe into the war. Bush will attack no matter what and most probabily with nukes if europe does not join his war. The islamic world will turn against them and not dropping its leader and religion. (how stupid can someone be to think they would if they get bombed?)
Bush war in foreigne countries far from homeland will weakening its own country defence. The war and the oil price rise and probabily natural disasters (global warming) will killing US economy weakening US's defence further.
The attack on Iran might be reason enough for china (oil from iran) and russland to stop the US from its invasion in the worlds biggest oil-resource countries.
A sudden attack from china/russland in US' worst defence condition is think able.

Impossible scenario?

I hope, but I fear not. I remember that I read some prophecies in the past where indeed china and russia turned against the USA and this was before you ever heard something of the IRAN conflict. I thought this is an impossible prophecy.
But now I have to see it is not.

With an attack on Iran especially with nukes we are on track of a wwIII whatever shape it will take. And all started with a big lie. (9/11)

You can not walk in the world and bashing everyone and everything you dont like.
It comes back. It always did and alway will. History tells this. And History repeats in front of our eye.

Let's hope it comes all different. Awakening in last minute.

I think China's economy is going well enough without a war over oil. Russia sells Iran thier weapons, but what you must remember is that any US campaign on Iran is not likley to contain ground forces and the total destruction of Iran. Therefore Russia will still be able to sell Iran arms - and believe me they will buy ALOT more arms if the US attacks them. This means profit to Russia as a result of war.

China gets oil from Iran - but it gets it's Uranium from here in Australia, alot of food from here too and not to mention the stuff it gets from the USA (will research more into this later). China also does alot of exporting to western countries so that would cause a major economic hit.

Personally I think Iran CAN be sorted by diplomacy, or worst comes to worst - 1 bullet to the head of the Iranian leader.

China and Russia WILL NOT attack the USA in the next 35 years. To succeed in an attack China will need to be the world economic and military superpower. At the rate it's going now that will be 2040ish.

The world will come to it's senses and realise that global war these days is not possible without the total destruction of mankind. Even Russia and China know this - But, by the looks of things, the Iranian President doesn't.

I think you make some good point's Shane. The Wild Card is technology I think. It's been well known for year's now, that one nuke detonated at the right altitude will destroy our technological society through ElectroMagneticPulse.

The reason's you give I believe are why China and Russia have not gone through with it. North Korea and Iran, not so much to loose!

Originally posted by shanemcbain
- 1 bullet to the head of the Iranian leader.

It wouldn't solve the problem. Compare it to the Bush - Rove relation. Same applies over there, Ahmadinejad - Ayatollahs.

Till recently I thought it was kind of inevitable that bush would look at his watch and think "oh no I’ve only got a few hours of presidency left!! I know why don't I push that big red button and Nuke Iran?".
Now this could still happen (even if we change hours to weeks or months or whatever), but there is one BIG problem.
Iran already has a biological warfare programme. Bio weapons have about the same human killing power as nuclear weapons (although obviously nothing like as good as nuclear bombs which are far more controlled and can destroy just about anything including chemical/biological protected U.S tanks.

Iran has already made clear that the first country to receive retaliation for any U.S aggression will be Israel. Well think about that. I always thought that there were a lot of Jews in America, particularly New York and other swingy political areas. Do you think they are going to be happy if in less than a hundred years they not only experience a holocaust but also a "diseases course"?

America is only worried about Iran’s nukes because it cares so much about Israel. Frankly if it weren’t for them we could invade Iran and hence they might not be making nukes them. Also most troubles between East and West are over the Israeli issue.

Therefore if a nuclear holocaust is inevitable let’s view an alternative course of action…
1. See if it isn't inevitable as Iran may only wants nukes for security and political reasons.
2. Continue but step up supplying Israel with anything and everything it needs to defend itself
3. By time for all those millions of people on both sides by only going to the war of Armageddon when it is absolutely likely (i.e. After Iran has striked first).

(George Bush, Rumsfeld and Friends: Notice how the second option will be very good for companies like Hamilton).

But should Iran stick to its borders there is every way Iotallah Nuclear can say to Allah: Yes I got your people nuclear protection; no I didn't make them extinct.

What will be really interesting is if (in spite of all this) United Nations of or America goes ahead a pulls the first punch anyway. Does anyone here still think they will do it?

The wild card is Israel.

What happens if they start the war regardless of what the US and Europe say. After all, the world will still blame the US, and the EU to some degree anyway.

Israel stopped listening to the world a long time ago, they do things their way period. Ironic Israel is buying more military hardware from Russia, China, and Europe than they are from the US, because most people believe the opposite is true.

Most people don't realize that in 2006, mostly because the facts just get in the way of their preset political opinion of how the world 'really' is.

There already IS a global war going on. It just
hasn't gone nuclear .. yet.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

MODS: So we’re allowed to post a link to any racist, alarmist, pornographic site we want to? Full of pictures of dead kids and wild lies slandering 2+ billion people?

Good to know.

When are you guys going to realize that the US doesn't start wars, only the other guys do.

What you all are missing is - Russia and China are right now lined up on both coasts of America in Subs. They do war games and manuevers together. Our guys are constantly having to deal with them. Russia and China are anxious to and desperately want to nuke us (America).

Russia and China are siding with Iran. Now if we go after Iran - Russia and China will jump us with nukes. It will be WWIII or the Ezekial War! If Russia can elliminate America, then Iran will be free to nuke Israel. No other country would defend Israel but America. With America out of the way - Israel will be wide open with no help. That's when Iran will strike Israel. Of course if you read the Bible, the book of Ezekial 38 39 - you'll see what the end will be.

Poor Jakamo ... the truth hurts huh?
What you call 'wild lies' is fact.
What you call 'alarmist' is fact.
The pictures are true and educational.

Racism?? Hardly.
You don't understand what racism means, do you?
If the truth doesn't look good for a group of
people then stating that truth that isn't racism.
It's just the truth.

AND the site itself says that not all muslims are
terrorists, however they are reporting the actions
of those that are. That's in their words. So much
for your wild accusation of 'slandering 2 billion people'.

The FACT and TRUTH of the matter is ... what the
poster said about the entire world being at peace
if America wouldn't get it's oil from the Middle East
and if Israel didn't exist ... that's false. The site
gives evidence to prove that. The TRUE headlines
at it yesterday were about some muslims killing
(or trying to kill) Hindu children. There were
backed up by facts and pictures.

"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them.
Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in
every stratagem of war." Qur'an, Sura 9:5


As I said - there already IS a global war.
It just hasn't gone nuclear yet.



[edit on 5/5/2006 by FlyersFan]

OhhhhFF
Anybody could find a website on any side of the fence to shock and awe people, I can find the results of DU contamination of humans, I can find websites of US prison torture, I can find websites that show the horror of American weapons.

BUT, i won't sink to that level of one-sidedness.

Hell, I can probably find attrocities by Canadian soldiers as well.

What I am trying to say FlyersFan, is that that was a cheap shot, and is not convincing anybody, and yeah, seems racist too.

[edit on 5-5-2006 by Toadmund]

Okay toad....

You are very correct. I agree fully that anyone can find anything
on the internet to back their opinion.

MY OPINION is that we are already in a global war.
The site I provided backs that up. They list facts.
There isn't anything made up.

Sure you can find attrocities by Canadians.
By Americans too. By Hindus. By Christians (KKK for example).

ALL of them will back up my opinion ... we are already in a global war.
The person I was responding to said that the middle east would be
just fine and at peace if America didn't get it's oil from there and if
Israel didn't exist.

The information at the site I provided, all true information, shows that
muslims kill muslims, muslims kill hindus, and generally that they aren't
any pie-in-the-sky more-peaceful-than-anyone-else group.

Doesn't convince ya? Guess you didn't read enough of it.
One sided? Yep. But all true.
Racist? Nope. The site clearly says that not all muslims are
terrorists and that they are reporting the terror attacks of those
that are terrorists.
Cheap shot?? Not at all.
It was a virtual smack upside the head to the poster who thinks
those of the muslim religion would somehow be all love and
peace if America and Israel didn't exist.

That simply isn't true. They'd be killing each other and they'd
be attacking the Hindus. (and the Hindus would be attacking
them as well)

But hey ... believe what you want. I stand by my statement.
We are in a global war. It just hasn't gone nuclear.

FlyersFan:

Poor Jakamo ... the truth hurts huh?
What you call 'wild lies' is fact.
What you call 'alarmist' is fact.
The pictures are true and educational.

Yeah, pictures of dead kids and racist diatribes are not fact. I can find you 100 sites that show dead Palestinians and you will just squawk “Bah, they’re anti-semitic propaganda.”

Because you have in the past. Well the shoe is on the other foot now.

You don't understand what racism means, do you?
If the truth doesn't look good for a group of people then stating that truth that isn't racism.
It's just the truth.

Again, every time I have ever criticized Israel you have railed against me for being racist against Jews. And now you state “If the truth doesn't look good for a group of people then stating that truth that isn't racism”. Have some consistency.

The TRUE headlines at it yesterday were about some muslims killing
(or trying to kill) Hindu children. There were backed up by facts and pictures.

And what does that have to do with the thread about imminent global war? Bit of a stretch.

"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them.
Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in
every stratagem of war." Qur'an, Sura 9:5

Are we going to play “find a religious quote that backs up my side”? The Christian bible promotes rape and murder. Didn’t some guy slice off the foreskins of 10,000 people?

Have you studied the Koran? Taken any theology courses? ….then, um...

As I said - there already IS a global war.
It just hasn't gone nuclear yet.

Your statement means nothing. It’s your own flawed opinion. With education it will change.

MY OPINION is that we are already in a global war.
The site I provided backs that up. They list facts.
There isn't anything made up.

Who runs the site? What is their slant? What are they trying to prove? That Muslims can kill people? They’re more bloodthirsty than any other religion? What news agency is responsible for these “facts”?

Same news agency as is responsible for electronicintifada?

The information at the site I provided, all true information, shows that
muslims kill muslims, muslims kill hindus, and generally that they aren't
any pie-in-the-sky more-peaceful-than-anyone-else group.

WHO SAID THEY WERE? Find me the quote from this thread where someone says Muslims are more peaceful than anyone else.

Christians kill Christians. Christians kill Muslims. Christians can be serial killers. Christians kill baby seals. OMG!

YOU are the one who is spotlighting a specific religion and saying they are murderers. Which is racist, because you are saying that their religion is responsible for it.

Not their environment. Not their upbringing. Not their geography. Not any other factor except for their religion.

I say that’s racist, and I say it because it is. And because you are.

But hey ... believe what you want. I stand by my statement.
We are in a global war. It just hasn't gone nuclear

Blabbity blah. Thanks for your input. I am sure you can find some more death-filled websites to back up your own bloody anti-Islam agenda.

-jako