No wonder Iran has suddenly become brazen; they have just received the brand new BM-25’s…

The most important issue is about the countries that are supplying the goods to prepare Iran for a possible war.

It tells how much respect these countries have to the US or the rest of the middle east including Israel.

We can pretty much tell who are our real enemies.

Or perhaps they are just helping to safe guard Iran from the western invasion.

I don't know two countrys who have used a nuclear bomb in aggression.

Suppose it mattered not to who showed the way, nobody had anything similiar to strike back with back then.

That is not the case today, any use of nuclear weapons on another country would be the most reckless act ever witnessed.

Originally posted by chaosrain
Brazen because of a new offensive capability? I doubt it.

If anything, all they are doing is bolstering the case that the US makes indicating that Iran is a threat to the region. The kicker now is that the region includes Europe.

Europeans wouldn't give a flying fig if Iran struck out at US targets in the middle east after a pre-emptive strike on Iran. When those missiles detonate within crowded European cities, however, their tune will be much different.

It is much the same as Europe's relative indifference to the "threat" that Saddam posed. In truth, his "threat" was only truly visible to the U.S. The Europeans were comfortable simply waiting out the UN inspection process, even if it took decades.

If Ahmadinejad thinks that by threatening Europe as well, he is putting himself in a better geo-political situation, he's got another thing coming. While in the crosshairs of an agressive nation's ballistic missiles, even France will sanction action against Iran. It would be much better to play the role of the pacifist against the US's aggressive posturing and ask for European assistance in calming the Bush White House down, than it is to threaten Europe. Talk about playing into the hands of those who wish to pre-emptively strike.

Now if you are seeking to become the catalyst of Armageddon...well, that's a different story...

Why would he threaten Europe?? He wants to sell oil for Euros, and besides that Iran needs Europe.
Its a myth that Iran is against the west, they are against America, and for reasons i fully understand.

"JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Iran has received a first shipment of missiles from North Korea that are capable of reaching Europe, Israel's military intelligence chief was quoted on Thursday as saying. "

Please don't mind if I don't take Israel's military intelligence chief as a reliable source.

Israel wants Iran to be seen as a threat, and 'dealt with', just like Iraq.


But, if Iran has these weapons, than I hold The Bush Administration responsible for their sabre rattling which has led to Iran to get a sabre to rattle of their own.

If the US attack Iran, and Iran strikes out at who's nearest, then the US is to blame for attacking a weaker nation that will attempt any means to fight back, like a wounded Tiger in a corner that will strike out blindly.

If Saudi Arabia gets nukes because Iran does because Israel has, then that is a result of nuclear armed Israel in the region which can be seen as hostile and creating unbalance and US threats which are hostile.

Israel did threaten another country with Nukes, threatening Egypt in the '73 War.

Let's see if I have 4 or 5 people coming at me with knives, do I want a knife or a gun? The analogy is the same. Israel is outnumbered by countries, who have stated time and time again that her destruction is one of their primary goals. Israel has played down their nuclear capability, while Iran has basically done nothing but trash talk about theirs and what they intend to do with it.

Iran currently has the capability to strike at the countries that border it without these missiles. Their only purpose in obtaining them is to try to intimidate the countries of Europe. Yes. I know that Iran supposedly doesn't have nuclear weapons at this time and isn't supposed to be a threat, but do you know for sure that they haven't aquired a few warheads? From what I've read Iran has the knowledge to construct a nuclear weapon, what they don't have is the material to do so, or do they? It has been known that nuclear weapons remain unaccounted for after the break-up of the Soviet Union. For years the issue was downplayed because it was said that the safety features on the weapons couldn't be defeated. Iran doesn't need to defeat the safety features to use the existing weapons as a source of raw materials. I don't want to see a war with Iran, but I want to see a city going up in a mushroom cloud even less. It is time that Iran stops acting like a spoiled child and takes its rightful place as a responsible member of the world.

Dudes and Dudettes,

It's plain and Simple;

Until you get the Nuclear Weapons, you are going to be an Easy target for US or any other Armed Forces. Take a look at North Korea - the moment that they got their first nuclear weapon, nobody really deals with them anymore. And why is that?

Apparently having a Nuclear weapons is actually another way of saying - "you can not attack us, because if you do, we will nuke the begeezus out of somebody!" A tactic perfected by the good old superpowers of the Cold War. Iran is not the one to blame, if they want to have something to say in this pathetic Rat Race and flexing nuclea muscles. And let's not forget who dropped the Only nuclear weapon and who performed about 250-300 nuclear bomb tests - and it wasn't Russia.

So basicly - the Nuclear World we have today is a direct effect of the USA and USSR Coldwar scenarios; they launch, we launch, they die, we die - each and every scenario a Pathetic excuse for calling it a "Democracy". Genocide is NOT democratic. And if a president of ANY country calls upon a nuclear devastation of another country, then he is a crazy moron; since one nuclear bomb can not be dropped. It is a chain event. And you can not blame anybody for trying to obtain nuclear bombs - if these nukes would not grant them MORE security then any other weapon in this world, they would not try to obtain it.

So if we check the situation again: US president says he "might" uses Nukes against Iran. Would he say the same thing, if Iran was already a nuclear power? I do not think so. You think that the second Iran gets nukes, he will launch them all around, to Isreal, to Europe, to Iraq? And what exactly might that help them?

Actually having Nukes is a Loose-Loose situation - it's just too bad nobody ever actually notices that. Imagine that you have in your own home, a nuclear hand granade for protection, and when a robber comes to your house, that is the only weapon you can use against him - yet you know the nuclear hand granade, will effect you and everybody inside your home, and not just the robber. So it is basicly a completly and utterly idiotic weapon, and everybody who has it, is therefore a complete and utter Idiot also.

Meditate on that.

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Firstly, I think it is quite obvious that Isreal can defend itself without having nuclear weapons, even more so now than 50 years ago.

Also why is it implied that Russia sold the weapons to Iran when it was clearly N Korea who did so, and their is no mention of Russia playing any part in the sale.

While I agree that Iran possessing nuclear weapons is worrying, it is the same with any country. But why should Iran be stopped from developing nuclear technology for peaceful purposes, it is their international right. Although IMO they should have taken up Russia's offer of enrichment, their really wasn't much chance of that due to national pride.

Now lets say Iran does get the bomb, and they have missiles that can carry it, does anybody seriously believe that they will unilateraly attack another nation with it, they might as well just explode it over Tehran. So why kick up a fuss and say the sky is falling. What are the real issues?

Dave.

There are a couple of assumptions in most of these arguments that undermine their vailidity.

First, we are assuming that Iran's current and future actions, whatever they may be, are rationally-based. It is possible, as has been suggested here and elsewhere, that their motivation is based on an idealogical motive --- bringing Armegedon. If that is the case, all bets are off.

And arms sales are never based on anything but greed. There are immensely powerful people behind these sales that make obscene amounts of money and could care less what the ramifications are. They sell plane-loads of weapons on a daily basis to countries like Darfur, Nigeria, Congo, etc. where systematic exterminations of the innocent are taking pace and they could care less.

I think Iran should try to get mutual protection from North Korea. That way when America attacks them they can go into the South Korea and try to annex some more land. Of course the will also be tied to Syria as well, not to mention the ritos and abttles that will wage here in the states fro the conseuquences of that large a war. Soudns fun. Its like playing a game of civilization, which as a matter of fact is all our leaders are doing anyways.

I am sure China would support Nk and Iran so bam itll be all hell. Good times are coming. The human race has a front row seat to this show.

I am sure China would support Nk and Iran so bam itll be all hell. Good times are coming. The human race has a front row seat to this show.

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I have a question, a serious question not a flame war. It seems everyone who wants Iran to have nukes also hates jews. Now I'm not jewish, and I don't really care what happens to Isreal or to the Jewish people in general anymore then I care what happens to the arab people, but I can't help but notice it. Is your hatred of jews the reason you want a country that hates jews to get a nuke? Or is it a bi-product of your natural hatred? I would like a serious response please, as it has been bothering me for a while, and something I'm sure others have noticed. Also for those that apparently want the destruction of america, is it because you think it's full of jews? Or is it because most americans don't want Isreal destroyed so you think we must be destroyed so you can eliminate all the jews? Thank you in advance for proper answers.

Originally posted by Souljah
Dudes and Dudettes,

It's plain and Simple;

Until you get the Nuclear Weapons, you are going to be an Easy target for US or any other Armed Forces. Take a look at North Korea - the moment that they got their first nuclear weapon, nobody really deals with them anymore. And why is that?

So it is basicly a completly and utterly idiotic weapon, and everybody who has it, is therefore a complete and utter Idiot also.

Meditate on that.

[edit on 28/4/06 by Souljah]

Yes, that's why Iran can not get nukes, ever, period.

Originally posted by thermopolis
So it is basicly a completly and utterly idiotic weapon, and everybody who has it, is therefore a complete and utter Idiot also.

Yes, that's why Iran can not get nukes, ever, period.

Well I am more then happy that "Other" Worldwide Idiots have these Weapons of Mass destruction and Geoncide, and I am even Happier to know, that they will Use them in "GOOD" cause for "Democracy and Liberty of the Free World".

Yes - I feel so Safe and Secure now, knowing that.



[edit on 28/4/06 by Souljah]

Ruggeder, this is not a racist issue.
Please don't try to make it out to be an anti-semetic thing, otherwise you'll reach troll status in no time.
This is about threats between nations, not us posters hating jews.
Personally, I just hate politicians.

Amuk:

So Iran is the only country in the world you are concerened about and feel the need to defend? If you REALLY dont care about what happens to another country why bother to post? Or could it be that you pick and choose who you believe and who you defend.....which is exactly what you blame everyone else for doing? Its obvious you are NOT netural...which you seem to be claiming here but that you HAVE picked sides.

Wow, fish much?

I said I have no responsibility to Israel nor do I care what happens to them. Ditto Iran. I have no responsibility to protect them.

THEY have a responsibility to protect themselves! ISRAEL AND IRAN!!!!

If Iran wants nuclear missiles to PROTECT THEMSELVES (as apparently is the only reason Israel has nukes), then it IS THEIR CHOICE. THEIR RIGHT! THEIR NEIGHBOR HAS THEM!

You follow? Sorry I couldn't be as anti-Semitic as you would wish I was, but I'm not. I'm pragmatic. Thanks for playing.

Ruggeder:

Is your hatred of jews the reason you want a country that hates jews to get a nuke? Or is it a bi-product of your natural hatred?

LOL, is there a third choice? How about "objectivity"? Common sense? Logic?

Just because I don't share your hatred of Iranians doesn't mean I automatically hate Jews.

And besides, we've been talking about ISRAELIS. Look up the difference. One is a religion, one is a nationality.

Originally posted by Ruggeder
I have a question, a serious question not a flame war. It seems everyone who wants Iran to have nukes also hates jews. Now I'm not jewish, and I don't really care what happens to Isreal or to the Jewish people in general anymore then I care what happens to the arab people, but I can't help but notice it. Is your hatred of jews the reason you want a country that hates jews to get a nuke? Or is it a bi-product of your natural hatred? I would like a serious response please, as it has been bothering me for a while, and something I'm sure others have noticed. Also for those that apparently want the destruction of america, is it because you think it's full of jews? Or is it because most americans don't want Isreal destroyed so you think we must be destroyed so you can eliminate all the jews? Thank you in advance for proper answers.

A serious Question.

Okey.

A serious Answer:

Firstly - I don't hate Jews. Actually I do not hate anybody - Hate is for Weak.

Secondly - Nobody wants the destruction of America here; actually, the ones that want the destruction of America, also want the war in Iran and war in Palestine and war in Congo and war in Afganistan and war in Sudan and war in any other place. Actually war is their Tools of the Trade, you know?

Thirdly - You said you are not jewish, and that you actually do not even care for what happens to Isreal or to the Jewish people in general anymore; so why this question you posted? Actually, if you not care what happens to them, why are you worried? And why are you talking about the "jewish elimination".

Four - Pakistan has nukes, India has nukes, North Korea has nukes; and they are all not very "stabile". It's the GAME - if you have the nukes, nobody will touch you anymore, since you go up one step to another level in the pyramid of power, and you joing the "Immortal Circle" of chosen few, that rest there and tell others what to do. So, if you are wondering, why Iran wants nukes - it's the same reason, why US, UK, France, Germany, Isreal have them. So they are untouchable. And they did not invent thir Rule of the Game - it was already written when they came to Play too.

And Today eveybody wants to PLAY.

Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by Ruggeder

So, if you are wondering, why Iran wants nukes - it's the same reason, why US, UK, France, Germany, Isreal have them. So they are untouchable. And they did not invent thir Rule of the Game - it was already written when they came to Play too.

And Today eveybody wants to PLAY.

Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons.

Originally posted by Mdv2
Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons.

You are Right.

My Bad.

Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by Mdv2
Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons.

You are Right.

My Bad.

I wouldn't be surprised if Iran already is in the posession of nuclear weapons.

Just search on google for: missing plutonium ... Here and there quite some kilos plutonium are missing.

Guess who steals plutonium, corrupt governments, criminals, and terrorists. All for one purpose, to fund their terrorist activities and make money. Iran would surely be prepared to pay big money for some plutonium





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Holy crap Ruggeder... where did THAT come from? This isn't about hating Jews or Iranians or the USA. I don't think there are many people here who actually want Iran to have nuclear weapons. We all just realize the serious problems and enormous consequences (not to mention hypocrisy) associated with trying to prevent them from getting nukes --- most especially if force is involved.

Chill out dude. You're gonna hurt yourself.