Why don't you like Alex Jones?

Personally, I feel that AJ does some great work.. and I definately agree that I dont always care for the commentary either. But His sites are filled with real stories from mostly reputable news sources. There is always the chance that the guy is just in it for the money. But I dont really believe this to be the case.sure the guy has to make a living and if he spends most of his time running the site why not make a buck for your time? noone gets hurt hest not ripping anyone off.

I for one say GO ALEX GO!!!!


For most people they are not going to like what Alex has to say and dismiss him automatically as a left wing nut job...but as you pointed out in the opening of the thread hes libertarian. and IMHO more of a constitutionalist then anything else.


The reasons you stated in the beggining of the article as to why people dont like him are about all that I could think of aswell. Some people dont want to hear the truth no matter WHERE it comes from.

He's no left wing nut job, he's a right wing paramilitary nut job :-)

Alex jones is cool... he kinda tends to pick on communists... they do likewise though... kinda funny when that happens. "Did you hear that guy, he said something very nasty back there!" and the politicians saying "terrorist,terrorist, terrorist seepteember eleventh, terorists, 9/11, terrorist terrorist terrorist, terrorists, al quida

Hi all, my first post and while browsing the forums I had to just stop here and defend Alex Jones.

I have viewed a lot of his material which in my opinion is good and informative. While I might not like the way Alex has a talent for talking over his guests to get/reinforce his ideas etc, he still is one of the few that is able to provide you with an alternative view on 9/11, a police state and much more.

If he earns money by doing what he does - then why not. We all need to earn money, whether you work for yourself or serve some company - that's life.

I read a post back along regarding the other talk show hosts selling stuff ??? Bill O'Reilly doesn't need to sell stuff, he gets paid, he gets paid to be arrogant, to be a talk show dictator, I would be bold enough to say talk a show 'terrorist' because that is what he his. Put him along side with Bush and they can share the statement 'you're either with us or against us!' I have watched a couple of his so called interviews and it amuses me to watch him loose control because the guest is not 1-1 his opinons/views. But that's exactly what he is paid to do and yes... I don't like Bill.

But they are good at 'promoting stuff' which my not be 'selling stuff' but it is a 'selling point'. Bill - political ideas i.e. Bush, Oprah promotes writers for her book club, her magazine, her guests and sells that to her viewers or is her magazine free?? Rush Limbaugh... have a look on the right hand side of his web site - I say no more.

Moving on - Fox news states 'We report. You decide'. So does Alex Jones except the news Alex brings is not edited, in fact you don't see any of Alex's footage anywhere in the main stream news, no where, not in the US, not in Europe, no where! He certainly does not offer a 'what you see is what you get' and most certainly does not.. 'well, you don't need to know that!' You really don't see much of what is going on in the US anymore on the European networks, Iraq yes!, US no!

Oppppsss - Sorry - forgot about Brad and Angelinas new baby girl - apologies! breaking news that story.

So on that note, if you've read the whole post - thanks!

Later.

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If anyone is a disinformation agent it's Alex Jones. He's preachy, he's very good at presenting questionable information as fact, and he's got a refined talent for captivating gullible minds (minds like most of the good folks that visit ATS have).

I sort of preemptively apologize about the low blow in parenthesis but it shouldn't be a total surprise or a huge offense since it is the absolute truth. I mean, about two years ago there was huge thing about a secret comet that was going to hit the Earth in summer of 2004, and this person on these boards about had an aneurism when I assured them that no such thing was going to happen. They even demanded that, if the comet were to hit, I make a public apology... like there would even be a "public" after such an event.

Rule #1 to being a proper paranoid conspiracy theorist: Never agree with anyone else's conspiracies, not even the totally transparent disinformation of Alex Jones, or the posts by Namtar.

Dude not everyone is right all the time, doesn't make them a disinfo agent.
Being preachy is a character flaw not the sign of a disinfo agent.

Most of what he presents makes you think and hopefully go check it out yourself.
Disinfo agents don't want you to think, they want to confuse you.

"Disinfo agents don't want you to think"

Which is exactly why Alex Jones presents all of his opinions as cold hard facts.

"If anyone is a disinformation agent it's Alex Jones. He's preachy, he's very good at presenting questionable information as fact, and he's got a refined talent for captivating gullible minds (minds like most of the good folks that visit ATS have). "

I find this comment interesting because I would like to know how Namtar classifies 'gullible'. Gullible means to be tricked or easily deceived. But deceived by who or what.

'Most of the good folks' that visit here are just looking for answers. They are simply questioning the so called 'facts' i.e. those offered by the US government on 9/11. What’s wrong with that?

If that is the case there must be something wrong with people who question their religion/beliefs because it's all in the bible, "why are you questioning this?"

Why question anything at all - simple, because there is doubt. I speak for myself when I say that I don't buy into the standard b*llsh*t, run-of-the-mill political crap because that is what you are meant to know and that is what you are going to get.

Keep the mob happy but the mob isn't happy - it's unhappy. The mob is starting to look around and ask what the hell is going on here.

Wars, unemployment, decreased salaries, death, loneliness, ever increasing living costs, the list goes on. A nice recipe for any person to stand up and ask what the hell is going on here?

To conclude this, I'm assuming that the use of 'disinformation' in this case is that AJ is misleading the public. That AJ is deliberately, misleading the public. If so, then he is a disinformation genius. To be able to come-up with all the articles and with the reports he does... no, no, he is a fabrication master-mind!

"Disinfo agents don't want you to think"

Now that's something out a government text-book except it goes like this...

"We don't want you to think, good boy... now run along"

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People feel the truth is a threat to their lifes so they use negative energy against it to show how ignorant they truly are!


Speaking the truth in times of deceit is a revolutionary act.

I like Alex Jones, I enjoy his movies (especially when they're free!) and his radio show is always entertaining. I suppose less people would think he's such a disinfo agent if they realized how homegrown his entire operation is.

Granted his movies are insanely long, though pale in comparison to Ike's 6+ hour dissertations, and I usually watch them in increments. Jones does call his movies "information overload", he's just trying to present all the info he thinks is relevant in the short amount of time he has your attention.

Also, I think it was Police State 2 where he was at the RNC in NYC (I can't believe I didn't run into him) and he eventually starts going off on everyone he sees, including shallow minded high school communists. I think it was too hot for him that day and he did start to seem a bit insane, sweating, his hair crazy, ranting at teenagers.

I think, though, that it's just his personality, I've known a few people like him before. I do think he's a patriot, even if you don't agree with all his viewpoints. His website and his movies are a bit sensationalist, he'll sometimes take a story that is a few sentences long and talk about it for an hour but that's his job.

The one thing I would have against him is his tactics of ambush journalism, where he'll appear to be part of the press contingency and eventually break through the lines and start yelling and accusing the interviewee of all sorts of heinous acts. I only hold that against him because I believe it makes him look bad, in this day and age I think an action like that serves to discredit him among people who would other wise believe what he says.

I think Alex Jones suffers from over zealousness, his intentions are good and he whole heartedly believes in what he's doing but I think it would serve him well to have another person with him who would slow his train a bit before it goes off the tracks.

One other thing, if you're watching his movies, and he starts ranting and yelling, pause the movie and move through a couple frames, he makes the funniest damn faces I've ever seen.

The obvious questions that surfaced after 9/11 should have reached mainstream media channels. This has only partly succeeded. People like Alex Jones tarnish the serious researchers (Chossudowsky, Ruppert, Fetzer, etc...). They make the nutters more nuts and the others discouraged.

What do you think ALex Jones' effect is on average people?

Encouraging for further their research?

Disinfo is not limited to debunking, you can also OVERinform, distort, push the envelope, disturb.

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Originally posted by DeltaT
The obvious questions that surfaced after 9/11 should have reached mainstream media channels. This has only partly succeeded. People like Alex Jones tarnish the serious researchers (Chossudowsky, Ruppert, Fetzer, etc...). They make the nutters more nuts and the others discouraged.

What do you think ALex Jones' effect is on average people?

Encouraging for further their research?

Disinfo is not limited to debunking, you can also OVERinform, distort, push the envelope, disturb.

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Wow.

Ruppert is a serious 9/11 researcher? That guy does the official story pushers a favor.

Originally posted by Namtar
If anyone is a disinformation agent it's Alex Jones. He's preachy, he's very good at presenting questionable information as fact, and he's got a refined talent for captivating gullible minds (minds like most of the good folks that visit ATS have).

I sort of preemptively apologize about the low blow in parenthesis but it shouldn't be a total surprise or a huge offense since it is the absolute truth. I mean, about two years ago there was huge thing about a secret comet that was going to hit the Earth in summer of 2004, and this person on these boards about had an aneurism when I assured them that no such thing was going to happen. They even demanded that, if the comet were to hit, I make a public apology... like there would even be a "public" after such an event.

Rule #1 to being a proper paranoid conspiracy theorist: Never agree with anyone else's conspiracies, not even the totally transparent disinformation of Alex Jones, or the posts by Namtar.

There are three things wrong with this arguement that I HAVE to address:

1.)While I respect your opinion that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent) it is not neccesary to take a snipe at the good people here at ATS,who for whatever reason(and everyone has their own) choose to use this site. And I could call you a disinfo agent aswell sir for posting your opinion as fact. As shown below:

original quote by:Namtar
gullible minds (minds like most of the good folks that visit ATS have).

and

original quote by:Namtar
I sort of preemptively apologize about the low blow in parenthesis but it shouldn't be a total surprise or a huge offense since it is the absolute truth

How can you apologize for something that you are NOT sorry for? AND, the absolute truth here sir is nothing more than your opinion. Of which, you are entitled to. Just dont confuse one for the other

2.)other than your opinion that AJ is a disinfo agent, you present nothing in the way of a false story link or ANY kind of rational, tangable proof to back up your opinion. In fact, it sounds as if you have already judged the ENTIRE ATS membership, staff, and visitors,; based on the experience of one guy, that was adamantly convinced that something was going to happen. Sir I urge you to not be so hasty. Being on ATS doesnt mean you have to believe everything that everyone posts. BUT, you DO have to be respectful and know the difference between attacking people and attacking arguements. There is a profound difference between the two.
2a.) Even though I may disagree with you about Alex and some of his work, I am did not have to resort to calling you any slanderous comments to get my point across. Can you see the difference? Take my references as listed above. Maybe you think calling us all gullable seems to validate your reasoning, and support your arguement.
It does quite the opposite in fact.(please refer to my signature and take the time to read the ATS Terms & Conditions.)

3.)Now of course I dont think that everything that AJ has ever put out was gospel. But, just as I do with the mainstream news; I try to read between the lines AND do follow up research. There are more than a handful of AJ's stories that are easily traceable back to Reuters or A.P. But just as the MSM chooses to put their little angle on it(as does Jones) I choose to ignore that part and concentrate on the most important questions:
who, what, when, where and why The resulting opinion and conclusions that I draw from my research after learning the story are my own.
here at ATS we are trying to DENY IGNORANCE, as you may have seen posted on many peoples avitars(its a catch phrase that accurately depicts many of our members mindsets)

I apologize to the room as I feel I have ranted.. and also to the MODS. I felt overwhelmingly compelled to defend our wonderful ATS community! DENY IGNORANCE!

I look forward to debating you some more sir, and thank you for your time

Originally posted by truthseeka

Originally posted by DeltaT
The obvious questions that surfaced after 9/11 should have reached mainstream media channels. This has only partly succeeded. People like Alex Jones tarnish the serious researchers (Chossudowsky, Ruppert, Fetzer, etc...). They make the nutters more nuts and the others discouraged.

What do you think ALex Jones' effect is on average people?

Encouraging for further their research?

Disinfo is not limited to debunking, you can also OVERinform, distort, push the envelope, disturb.

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Wow.

Ruppert is a serious 9/11 researcher? That guy does the official story pushers a favor.

Nonsense, his 9/11 timeline was pioneering stuff, the first to come out with inside job facts.

For my own part, my biggest problem with Jones is that he's a sensationalist first, researcher second, if at all. I think that this is exemplified by his so called Bohemian Grove "Expose". Jumping out of the car to 'sneak' into the compound, video tapping people, pretending he found out something new. Other researchers, like Domhoff, had long ago gotten into not just the ceremony, but the club itself, had tabulated its membership, and did real sociological research on it, and made real statements and highlighted real issues.

Jones just got people scarred about a "moloch" statue and guys in hoods. For some people, that's enough, for the majority of the public, you need to definitly show that there's a real problem, not just lamers running around in the woods.

Originally posted by Nygdan
For my own part, my biggest problem with Jones is that he's a sensationalist first, researcher second, if at all. I think that this is exemplified by his so called Bohemian Grove "Expose". Jumping out of the car to 'sneak' into the compound, video tapping people, pretending he found out something new. Other researchers, like Domhoff, had long ago gotten into not just the ceremony, but the club itself, had tabulated its membership, and did real sociological research on it, and made real statements and highlighted real issues.

Jones just got people scarred about a "moloch" statue and guys in hoods. For some people, that's enough, for the majority of the public, you need to definitly show that there's a real problem, not just lamers running around in the woods.

this is fascinating Nygdan...do you have any links about Domhoff? Ive never heard of him before, and would love to see what that one is all about(since Ive always been skeptical about the whole "Bohemian Grove", thing)

First off, I have never heard of this guy before either, so I would like some links to him.

Alex is kinda up in the air for me. At times, I find his sites helpful at getting info a little bit ahead of the MSM, which I do like. But then at other times, like today when I went on, I find information that is just silly.

As Hurricane Season Looms, States Aim to Scare

Well, you know, I live in one of these areas where these "scare tactics" are being used, and I think that if you just look at the info regarding what is going on in my area at least, there are reasons to be scared of staying around if another hurricane were to make it my way.

Levee Work Slumps

That story in my opinion is a good enough reason to generate an amount of reasonable fear to make people realize what would entail their remaining in the area if a storm was to approach.

It's articles like these that aggravate me about Alex, but overall, I still visit his site, I have to just take each article with a grain of salt and be careful of what I am reading. As with anything, I believe that you should look for as many sources as possible instead of always relying on one souce for your informational outlet.

On George William Domhoff:
Who Rules America?


Domhoff is a sociolgist who tries very hard to stay away from the 'conspiracist' label. He does some fascinating research on these groups. His book on the BC, Bohemian Grove and Other Retreats: A Study in Ruling-Class Cohesiveness, details with incredible access the structure and organization of the BC, and other spin offs, like the Round-up Riders of the Rockies, or theRancheros Visitadores, etc.


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In my opinion Alex Jones has been doing a great job. The reason he charges for his movies, is because it costs money to hire film and sound crews, editors, and traveling to and from locations. He doesnt just make # up off he top of his head, he seems pretty open on telling you where he got his information, much of which is mainstream news, thats just burried over by other stories. Its great that he puts his videos out for free also. That should prove that he is not only after your cash.
Check all his videos that he has up for free streaming on Google Videos!

I consider him to be the Barnum and Bailey of truth. He's a businessman and a showman first - followed by the research and tough questions. He very often gives the rest of us bad names because he wants to be "first" with all of the news - even if there are no facts to back up the reports. He does it all with animated gifs and colorful text, while touting his acting career and 3 DVDs for $100 "special offers".

I do watch what he does very closely for grains of what could be worth looking into, but he's often not much more than the national enquirer of conspiracy theorists.