F-22 Chainsaw Massacre

Originally posted by Seekerof

Take a look at these and tell me if "that shouldn't happend," k?
MiG-29 Crash

A host more can be provided on most every type of aircraft, including those so-called Gen. 4, 4.5, 5 aircraft from around the world.

So basically, your point is what again exactly, Figher Master FIN?
That crap happens, whether an aircraft is "battle tested" or not?

seekerof

Yes, I do understand your point... But I have to dissagree... First of all, this is about the Raptor not any other plane... And time after time you want to show that other planes are bad, not that the Raptor are good... I don't defend these other planes, but what I'am saying is that people are bragging about the Raptor... nobody brags (as much at least) about any of these other planes...

I was unable to open your video...







[edit on 25-4-2006 by Figher Master FIN]

Hey,

I just drove in to work. I saw a broken down Honda Civic on the way in. Looks like the guy was waiting for a tow.

Thought you guys would want to know, seeing you are into minor technical issue's and stuff.

I think the whole Civic program must be a bust as a result...

Skippy, that is so lame. You don't wish to address my last post in reply to you then? Thats your prerogative, but you might want to drop the hurt little brat act. It does you no favours.

And nobody would be pointing and laughing if this happened with one of the new Iranian planes would they? Nooooo....

Sense of humor, guys.

This isnt a normal cockpit canopy, its made to be stealthy. There is a very thin layer of gold on it, to help keep it low radar signature.

Originally posted by Snoogans
Wow, talk about a collective sense of humour failure!
I'm still waiting for the obligatory "The Berkut canopy would never jam, and it would still be able to shoot down all the Raptors, anyway..." post.

fine, fine.

The Berkut canopy would never jam, and it would still be able to shoot down all the Raptors, anyway.

Granted, that's a lot to ask an ejected canopy to do, but I really believe every part of that plane is just that good.

no, really.

Originally posted by uuhelpus


That cant be true. People who used to pilot drones before they went to remote controll would have to eject. All the F-16 guys I haved heard discuss the issue say its a myth. But I dont think I can post a link to a different forum, so il drop it here

it could very well be true
here's the report on the crash

I get the press releases regularly, thought I'd share.

PRESS RELEASE -- Secretary of the Air Force, Directorate of Public Affairs

Release No. 0121045 - Jan 21, 2004

Thunderbirds Accident Report Released

LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. - Pilot error caused a U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds F-16 aircraft to crash shortly after takeoff at an air show Sept. 14 at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho.
The pilot ejected just before the aircraft impacted the ground.

According to the accident investigation board report released today, the pilot misinterpreted the altitude required to complete the "Split S" maneuver. He made his calculation based on an incorrect mean-sea-level altitude of the airfield. The pilot incorrectly climbed to 1,670 feet above ground level instead of 2,500 feet before initiating the pull down to the Split S maneuver.

When he realized something was wrong, the pilot put maximum back stick pressure and rolled slightly left to ensure the aircraft would impact away from the crowd should he have to eject. He ejected when the aircraft was 140 feet above ground -- just eight --tenths of a second prior to impact. He sustained only minor injuries from the ejection. There was no other damage to military or civilian property.

The aircraft, valued at about $20.4 million, was destroyed.

Also, the board determined other factors substantially contributed to creating the opportunity for the error including the requirement for demonstration pilots to convert mean sea level and above ground level altitudes and performing a maneuver with a limited margin of error.

For more information, contact the ACC Public Affairs office at (757) 764-5007 or e-mail [email protected].

T-Bird crash accident report released

picture



and video

cockpit video

ground video

i'll find his story that's in readers digest where he talks about being 2 inches shorter and the strict limitations on only two ejections.

it was the june of 2005 readers digest that the piolot told his story

[edit on 25-4-2006 by bigx01]

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Because as was stated, it's a last resort, and would cause more damage to the plane than cutting off the canopy. When you jettison the canopy, the seat arms, and if you're not careful you can cause an accidental ejection.

Zaphod58,

I think you have something different in mind than I'm thinking of! If you look close at the outside of every military plane, there is an arrow just below the canopy that sais "RESCUE" on it. Next to this arrow is a small door. On the door it sais something like:
1. Push latch to open door
2. Pull T Handle down to Jettison Canopy

Accoriding to what I've heard, the Emergency Jettison safty locks the seat so it can't eject, and it leaves the canopy intact. If it leavs the canopy intact, you should be able to reattach it and intall a new charge to use it again.

If you are right, Then the emergency jettison has NO purpose at all! I can't imagin a situation where it would be impossible to cut the canopy as a last resort. This being true, your saying the Emergency Jettison is decorative only and has no function at all in rescueing people? Think about it you could even cut the canopy if the plane crashed into the water, and surly submering an aircaft would detroy it!

Can you give me an example of when they might use the emergency jettison? I'm sorry, but I honestly don't understand what it's for if they prefer to cut the canopy rather than use it!

Tim

[edit on 26-4-2006 by ghost]

How about if they need to get the pilot out in a hurry, ie combat situation, or the pilot is injured. In this case there was no rush.

The way I see it is that the canopy mechanism was completely jammed, neither internal nor external releases would work (they were clearly trying something for five hours).

Ejecting would have worked (the seat smashes the canopy physically if the electrical detonation of the glass fails to operate for whatever reason, thus ensuring the pilot doesn't sustain a broken neck) but the blast of the rocket motor from the seat would have totally destroyed the front of the plane and all its systems. Given that the plane was safely on the ground and static this would be overkill.

Therefore, final option, cut an opening with a chainsaw.

That movie shows it really well... The pilot doesn't have many seconds to "escape"... 3 seconds, that's all... I've seem the pic... never the video... so good job with that...

Originally posted by Nacnud
How about if they need to get the pilot out in a hurry, ie combat situation, or the pilot is injured. In this case there was no rush.

That makes sense! I never though of that, but your right. I think the Emegency Jettison was design for crash rescue. Would that be correct?

Tim

Right on..
I guess ''Keep it simple stupid" works here..
The thing is, did the Canopy itself cost 180k+ or is that the damage expneses + new canopy?

I think the damage expence + a new canopy is 180 k...

FredT you're correct. The Rescue handle still blows the canopy off the plane. It's used in crash, combat damage, pilot wounded situations. It's does exactly what it says. It jettisons the canopy when you pull the handle. Either way you lose the canopy, but they prefer not to jettison it if they don't have to, then they don't have to replace the charges, and reset the entire ejection system.

Originally posted by Lonestar24
Same pics, much better quality HERE.

I wonder whether there will be additional costs in addition to the $182k, judging from the mess inside the cockpit... Not to speak of a major canopy inquiry...

Also, when looking at the last pic, the right-hand console looks odd, as if something has been removed from there, be it protection or secrecy.

Are you kidding me? Yes, they're going to show you the different consoles...right. If you look at the high-res images earlier on in the post, you will actually see that there are three console bays that are removed. It's something called Top Secret. You know about Air Force One, right? Well, have you ever seen the inside of it (and no, not the dining area or where people sit...)? It is a fully functional "Mini White House" if you will. There is SO much Top Secret stuff that can/does/will go on in that plane.

My point being that they're not going to show you everything...and why you would even say "as if something...." Of course they're not there!

The part about AF1 isn't true. All the classifieds are kept in binders that are locked in a safe. There is NO classified equipment on the plane, except for how certain things work. I've been on 26000, 27000, and 28000 and they NEVER hid anything from me when I was on it, and I've never had a security clearance. The only thing they didn't show me on 28000 was the operating room, because it was too hard to open up, and it was sterile.

The F-22 on the other hand does have a bunch of classified equipment in the cockpit, which is why it was removed before the pictures.

Okay, as that may be true when it is on the ground and open for public viewing, when it is in the air and Dubya is flying on it, you come within a mile of that plane and you're going down. It's just as simple as that. There are many things that we didn't know about AF1 (that have long since been released...much to many people's dismay, but we won't go there), such as where the oxygen tanks are for the plane, where the SS stand when on the plane, etc.

My father works for the Government at a Range Test Facility in Southern California (won't go into names). Every year they have an open house where you can invite family, etc. They have millions and billions of Top Secret things out there that we, as the general public, cannot see. That doesn't mean that when civilians go on board AF1 they don't hide everything "special." For all I know, walking down a hallway at that Range, I could be walking by a doorway with Zanoogdaluk the alien a foot away from me. Don't believe in aliens...just using it as an example. Sorry kids.

(sorry...edited for a typo.)

[edit on 1-5-2006 by mlindahl]