TOR M1

just read Iran is about to purchase 29 systems from russia which of
course the US is asking russia not to do on with the sale

how effective are these ant air craft missiles?
and whats their range


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Originally posted by bodrul
just read Iran is about to purchase 29 systems from russia which of
course the US is asking russia not to do on with the sale

how effective are these ant air craft missiles?
and whats their range


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Of course we can't have Iran buying these missiles!

We can't very well have Iranians defending themselves if/when we bomb them can we?

Here's the information you asked about.

www.defense-update.com...

As far as i know Tor-M is a tactical air defence system. Problem of S-300 is that it can't engage targets close to it and right above it, so it have gap in air coverage. TOR is intended to close this gap. So if they are working together, enemy plane will be engaged (i'm not sayng it will be 100% shot down, BUT IT WILL BE ENGAGED) even if it will be able to get close. And there are also Tunguska and shoulder fired Igla, just make things more interesting if plane will go really low trying to evade radars.

Interesting, some newspapers are talking, that Iran can possibly get S-300 relatevly soon. Russia can not sell it to Iran in present situation. But Russia is going to sell some S-300 to Belorussia, and Mr. Lukashenko of Belorussia can resell it to Iran easily, because he don't give the ....

If it will happen Iran will have both systems to build effective air defence.

To Bodrul

The Tor-M1 is a tactical air defence missile that not only engages aircraft but also cruise missiles, UAV's and even laser/GPS guided missiles.

The TOR-M1 surface-to-air missile system is a mobile, integrated air defense system, designed for operation at medium-, low- and very low –altitudes, against fixed/rotary wing aircraft, UAVs, guided missiles and precision weapon.

www.defense-update.com...

The Iranians didn't purchase these to shoot down aircraft becuase if you look at the Iranian list of SAM's they already have the following low altitude air defence systems :


Rapier
RBS-70
Shahab Thaqeb / French Crotale
Misagh-2


all the above sytems are capabale in taking out f-16's, f-15's etc... just as well as the Tor-M1 but they lack the capability to engage Tomahawks, GPS bunker busters etc... This is why the Tor's where purchased to provide an envolope for the systems they already have.

the tor's will be used to provide point protection for other missile systems and nucluer buildings while they might not engage any air craft themselves they will engage any cruise missiles, Bunker Busters or laser guided munitions that are heading towards the area they are targeting.

If any low level air defence is going to be needed then Iran will use its vast quantity of Shahab Thaqeb and Rapiers to provide low level air defence while using the Tor-M1 to engage incomming munitions.

Watch Tor-M1 Video

Missile Launch Video

Rapier :
www.mmvg.net...

Shahab Thaqeb /Crotale /HQ-7 :
www.sinodefence.com...
www.army-technology.com...
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cheers for the info iqonx

one last question how many targets(max) can one lock onto at one given time?

To Bodrul

The Tor-M1 can track upto 48 targets simultaneously but can attack 2 targets at the same time:

www.defense-update.com...

Tor M1 can detect and track up to 48 targets (minimum radar cross section of 0.1 square meter) at a maximum range of 25 km, and engage two of them simultaneously, at a speed of up to 700 m/sec, and at a distance of 1 to 12 km.

Also notice that it can engage targets with a RCS of 0.1 square metres which means it can easily engage a Tomahawk criuse missile or low flying "stealth" aircraft/missiles/UAV's.

also

The 3D pulse Doppler electronically beam steered E/F-band surveillance radar provides range, azimuth, elevation and automatic threat evaluation data on up to 48 targets for the digital fire control computer processing system. Automatic track initiation can be performed on the 10 most dangerous targets, which are categorized and prioritized in order of threat for engagement.

www.fas.org...

It also picks up the 10 most dangerous threats to engage which is a good feature to have in a chaotic battlefield conditions.

Iran has purchased 29 Tor-M1 systems meaning :

29 Tor-M1 systems x 48 targets tracked = 1392 targets total
29 Tor-M1 systems x 2 Targets engaged = 58 targets total engaged
29 Tor-M1 systems x 4 missiles loaded + 4 spare missiles = 232 missiles total.

so the 29 Tor-M1 systems can track 1392 aircraft/cruise missiles/UAV's at the same time. The 29 Tor-M1 can target 2 enemies targets at the same time meaning they would be able to destory 58 targets simultaneously. Also they have 4 missiles loaded and 4 spare backup missiles per system meaning they have upto 232 missiles per 29 Tor-M1 systems before requiring a complete refill of missiles.

Obviously the above calculations are based on ideal/perfect conditions while real battle conditions with ECM(electronic countrer measure's) and back ground noise could vary the results although i must mention the Tor-M1 system are hardend and configured to be more resistant to ECM's then normal SAM systems and the Tor-M1's also have Electro-Optic and InfraRed tracking capabilities along with radar tracking.


Tor-M1 Info :
www.defense-update.com...
www.fas.org...
www.sinodefence.com...

Originally posted by iqonx

www.defense-update.com...

Tor M1 can detect and track up to 48 targets (minimum radar cross section of 0.1 square meter) at a maximum range of 25 km, and engage two of them simultaneously, at a speed of up to 700 m/sec, and at a distance of 1 to 12 km.

Also notice that it can engage targets with a RCS of 0.1 square metres which means it can easily engage a Tomahawk criuse missile or low flying "stealth" aircraft/missiles/UAV's.

If the attacking platform is so equipped, that "1-12km" engagement range will amount to nothing but a destroyed Tor-M1.






seekerof

[edit on 22-4-2006 by Seekerof]

Yeah im sure the Iranians are not just going to leave the Tor system by itself they also have Imporved Hawk missiles and the Improved extended range S-200 with 315km range as well as medium range range missiles like the Hawks etc... i'm sure they will layer there defence system.

probably a layered defence like :

S-200 (315km range)
SA-2 Improved chinese version
Hawk
Tor-M1
Rapier


or

SA-2
Hawk
Shahab Thaqeb /Crotale /HQ-7
Tor-M1
23mm Anti aircraft guns

or

Hawk
Tor-M1
23mm Anti aircraft guns

or
S-200
SA-2
Hawk's
Rapiers
Shahab Thaqeb /Crotale /HQ-7
RBS-70
Misagh-2
Tor-m1
23mm Anti aircraft guns

etc........

the missiles that i named are just some of the one's the Iranians have infact they have many other medium range missiles as well like the SA-3 and so on. I just named a handfull in the list above and it's not a complete list of missiles that the Iranians could use in a layered defense.

I'm sure they will make a decison based on there needs and won't just have a system by itself.




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[edit on 22-4-2006 by iqonx]

iqonx thats a pretty good accurate list you got there of irans air-defences but just some more i'll add in general.

Irans air defences

S-200
S-300
Hawk
Tor-M1
Rapier
SA-6
SA-3
SA-2
Shahab Thaqeb
Misagh-1/2
Misaq-1
Pechora 2A
23mm Anti-Aircraft gun
ZSU 23/4 Shilka
SA-7
SA-14
RBS-70


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Mehran do you know if Iran has the Tungusta system becuase i heard a rumer that they did but haven't seen any new report about it and can't find any solid news source for it. Iran with S-200, Pechora, Tor-m1 and Tungusta will have very powerfull defence.

Also i wasn't sure if Iran has actually recived the S-300 yet i thought they where trying to get them from Belarus becuase Belarus was acting like a middle man between Moscow and Iran so Moscow doesn't get in trouble for giving them to Iran.

Originally posted by iqonx
Mehran do you know if Iran has the Tungusta system becuase i heard a rumer that they did but haven't seen any new report about it and can't find any solid news source for it. Iran with S-200, Pechora, Tor-m1 and Tungusta will have very powerfull defence.

Also i wasn't sure if Iran has actually recived the S-300 yet i thought they where trying to get them from Belarus becuase Belarus was acting like a middle man between Moscow and Iran so Moscow doesn't get in trouble for giving them to Iran.

IMO I dont think we have the tungusta yet but as our defence minister said: air defence and the production of ballistic missiles is our first proiority so maybe it could be true, he even said we have military equipments that the enemy does not know about. As for the S-300 case than your correct we do buy them off Belarus so moscow doesnt get in deep trouble, if you read up on janes reports about iran aquiring S-300 from Belarus than thats how the deal will end up like.

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The ENEMY? so america is immediately the ENEMY now?! now wonder why so many countries dont like Iran, when they go around not letting people inspect what theyre up to, so they look so damn suspiscious, and then you go around calling people ENEMY's before a war has even started, do you WANT a war?! because thats sure as hell what it sounds like.

Originally posted by M6D
The ENEMY? so america is immediately the ENEMY now?! now wonder why so many countries dont like Iran, when they go around not letting people inspect what theyre up to, so they look so damn suspiscious, and then you go around calling people ENEMY's before a war has even started, do you WANT a war?! because thats sure as hell what it sounds like.

Calm down, Cowboy....

He didn't actually specify and "enemy". Besides, I've heard US, UK or anyone else for that matter talk about weapon systems and refer to "an enemy" without explicitly stating who, or if there even was one.

cowboy?! im from england to you know :p this jolly lil place with...the most pathetic weather anywhere, but anyhoo, its just in the current climate using the word enemy appears more like some subtle hint more then anything, which is just more war mongering for me.

Originally posted by M6D
cowboy?! im from england to you know :p this jolly lil place with...the most pathetic weather anywhere, but anyhoo, its just in the current climate using the word enemy appears more like some subtle hint more then anything, which is just more war mongering for me.

Tell me about it..Yesterday was lovely and warm and today we have arctic temperatures and rain, despite the "weathermen" saying it would be sunny!

I see where your coming from with regards to the use of the word "enemy", but I think it was a generic "enemy" rather than explicitly meaning anyone in particular...

I'd like to think that anyway, the last thing we need is another war

tell me about it! always when you want to go out, its even worse when you go up to london, sunny.. go back home...rain!

but yeah, i see what your saying :S ill take back my harshness i suppose, it just feels you know, like a bit of predicting war :S

Iran's gonna need more missiles.


The US has the largest inventory of aircraft in the Air Force alone. Mix in the Navy and Army, well let's just say I don't think Iran has enough missiles.

Shattered OUT...