emo/goth/punk rock

what is with all of the people wearing tons of balck, cutting themselves, and guys wearing really tight pants. This is getting really stupid. Its the next dumbest thing next to sagging.

Ugh i just wont... i ..just wont , its people like you that P me off big time

Pardon my ignorance, but what is "sagging"?

you know... when people wear pants that are like 15 sizes too big and they sag like 10 ft. lol

*ahem*

I was the first person in my town to "sag".

When I was a younger man the tight black jeans were an essential. This was in the mid 80's and many diverse subcultures utilised the tight black jean. The 'Swampies' (The forerunner to the goth. These guys were obsessed with obscure rockabilly and 60's garage rock) wore them in deference to the stovepipe look of the 60's. Bogan's wore them like a badge of honour. Metalheads wore them and straight up punks wore them. It is nothing new.

Some believe that the 'swampy' look began in Australia in the mid 80's. The Black Eye and Red Eye record labels spewed out a wealth of bands that emulated this look. Just as the term grunge was stolen from the Australian vernacular and the Brisbane band The Saints were 'punk' before 'The Sex Pistols', Oz influence on the world of popular culture is under-rated and ignored.

Just my 2c's.

[edit on 22-4-2006 by Beelzebubba]

yet still it seems a little bit dumb... I guess I shouldn't get pissed over other peoples decisions... I still think the tight pants thing is a little gay... as in these people might be gay for how tight they are... scary...

Who cares what people wear. Fashion is just a plastic money pit where geeks wallow and good men die like dogs.

I would wear tight jeans if I didn't have such a panzon. My pretty boy days are long gone. Enjoy it while you can cause beauty, like summer, is fleeting.

OZ doesn't get near the credit it deserves for spawning great Rock. Remember Men At Work.!!!!

[edit on 22-4-2006 by whaaa]

[edit on 22-4-2006 by whaaa]

whats wrong with it? its all about "preferences" when it comes down to it.

its a preference issue really. everybody decides what they want to look like on the outside from a personal choice and who has the right to judge that on a completely absolute basis? its all opinionated really. why would ones person dress be better then anothers in an absolute sense?

maybe im looking to much into this. i realize your post was an opinion.. well part of it... and the other part you are just curious as to whats up with the style.

While in a perfect world, or at least in my perfect world, everybody was free to follow their own tastes and opinions instead of being droves to the various different "fashions", it's still not a bad thing. I mean, c'mon, is somebody else wearing a pair of tight jeans really so obscene that it shocks or irritates you?..

Just relax guy.

[edit on 24-4-2006 by mothling]

I have to agree with the Original Threadmeister.

I cherish y'alls freedom to look like any damn fool out of an Anne Rice Novel. So I'm not doggin' you for your freedom to dress however you please.

On the other hand, toleration doesn't mean stifling my OWN opinions for the sake of your "style free speech."

I guess I have some questions that go unanswered.

1. It obviously takes a lot of effort to look so "Goth." Doesn't it seem a bit, um, foppish, for a person to go to such lengths over their personal apearance?

2. Doesn't dressing and looking that way make it difficult to get a paying job? I sure as hell wouldn't hire you, in that get-up . . .

3. Doesn't it make it pretty much a foregone conclusion that you're going to be needlessly hassled by authority figures when you dress in a way they see as "outlandish" and "trouble-maker" style??? I have never gotten a speeding ticket--I've talked my way out of at least a dozen. But I couldn't do that if I had been dressed like Count Chocula meets Oscar Wilde.

4. Of all the predominantly Anglo subcultures, the Goth seems the most slavishly uniform in its fashion standards. Yet when I talk to individual Goths, they are always meeping around about individuality and how unique they are. And yet they are the most herd-like in their clothing style. At a certain point, "anti-establishment" becomes its own establishment, the new status quo.

Any of that bother you people, just a bit?

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Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

I have to agree with the Original Threadmeister.

I cherish y'alls freedom to look like any damn fool out of an Anne Rice Novel. So I'm not doggin' you for your freedom to dress however you please.

On the other hand, toleration doesn't mean stifling my OWN opinions for the sake of your "style free speech."

I guess I have some questions that go unanswered.

1. It obviously takes a lot of effort to look so "Goth." Doesn't it seem a bit, um, foppish, for a person to go to such lengths over their personal apearance?

2. Doesn't dressing and looking that way make it difficult to get a paying job? I sure as hell wouldn't hire you, in that get-up . . .

3. Doesn't it make it pretty much a foregone conclusion that you're going to be needlessly hassled by authority figures when you dress in a way they see as "outlandish" and "trouble-maker" style??? I have never gotten a speeding ticket--I've talked my way out of at least a dozen. But I couldn't do that if I had been dressed like Count Chocula meets Oscar Wilde.

4. Of all the predominantly Anglo subcultures, the Goth seems the most slavishly uniform in its fashion standards. Yet when I talk to individual Goths, they are always meeping around about individuality and how unique they are. And yet they are the most herd-like in their clothing style. At a certain point, "anti-establishment" becomes its own establishment, the new status quo.

Any of that bother you people, just a bit?

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Let me attempt to answer these questions.
1. Yes, but haven't women been going to great lengths for centuries to do the same thing? So naturally, it's the guys turn...hehe.
(I've never heard the word foppish before, thanks, I learned something today)

2. Well most people don't dress like that when they go to job interviews. Some do, and they are silly. I guess it depends on the job. I mean I suppose it would be ok to go to a job interview at Hot Topic looking like that. However, I know people who dress like that when they go out or on their own time but do dress in what's considered "respectable" when it is appropriate.

3. Yes when you dress out of the norm you need to accept the fact that people are going to harass you about it. However I feel that if people don't take a chance then we'll all be forced to wear khakis and buttoned down dress shirts for eternity.

4. I totally agree with you on this. These people you speak of are what I call conforming non-conformists. Still, we should still be able to dress the way we want, to a certain extent at least.

but here are some e-definitions, anyway:

Foppish \Fop"pish\, a.
Foplike; characteristic of a fop in dress or manners; making
an ostentatious display of gay clothing; affected in manners.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Fop \Fop\, n. [OE. foppe, fop, fool; cf. E. fob to cheat, G.
foppen to make a fool of one, jeer, D. foppen.]
One whose ambition it is to gain admiration by showy dress; a
coxcomb; an inferior dandy.

Originally posted by whaaa
Remember Men At Work.!!!!

I really hope that was sarcasm. :shk:

Well my brother is Emo, not my sort of thing but, it suits him. He does not 'self harm' or write soppy songs.

He also does not cause trouble or do stupid things. Infarct he is a very mature lad for his age(15) and is also way above average in his school work. He also has lots of Friends and spends more time out then in.

Now what i would be more bothered about is what we call 'scallies', now not all these are bad. Not a week goes by were one of my brothers mates isn't harassed or hurt because of the way they dress. Hell, my brothers best mate (and like a brother to me) was stabbed and died, in front of my brother, because of the way he dressed.

Now i believe people can dress and look whatever way they want. Who are we to tell people how to dress. If thats the way its gonna be, thats like me telling you what car to drive, or what type of partner you should date.

woah... I didn't know that anyone would take it that far.. The closest thing I've seen to that is this.
kill the emo

I used to "goth" it up somewhat back in the day (a few years ago ) and where ever I would go I always got abuse shouted at me, especially in Hull!

"Oi! You *censored* goth!... You got a cig?"
(Obviously much worse things than that were shouted but I won't repeat them)

Personally, I don't think it's right that "goths" etc get stick because of how they dress. They don't have a go at you for how you "normal" people dress, so why do it to them?

I don't see why people make a big deal about choice of clothing when there are much worse problems, if you call "weird" clothing a problem, in the world.





[edit on 24-4-2006 by xeroxed88]

I dress normal not because I want to fit in but because its practical. I like the look too but its mostly because I dont wear anything above my knees and like sweatshirts/ short sleeve t-shirts. I just dont get the point of the chains and saftey pins and crud.

Originally posted by xeroxed88

Personally, I don't think it's right that "goths" etc get stick because of how they dress. They don't have a go at you for how you "normal" people dress, so why do it to them?

[edit on 24-4-2006 by xeroxed88]

Maybe not over there but here in Minnesota they do! The major crowds of "goths" here (not all of them mind you, I'm trying hard not to sereotype) have became quite the "holier than thou" snobs.

Still I agree, people have every right to dress as they will, as long as all the parts that are legally supposed to be covered...are covered.

I worked as a bouncer in Austin's music scene in the 80's. Was already getting to old for it.

This isn't meant as an attack on goths or any other subculture at all; just a question.

Why would you go to a rough bar or music venue with piercings or floppy shoes or saggy pants you can't run in? I mean, if your going to pick a fight with me, why wear a chain around your neck? Do you think I'm senile and that I won't be able to get a firm grip when I toss you? Never made sense to me.

I guess I have trouble with ALL clothing styles, including the necktie, that make it so you cannot change a flat or defend yourself or run like hell.

I finally convinced by boss that I didn't need a necktie to do my job. I kept saying that "a man simply cannot think straight when he has a noose around his neck." The boss finally agreed and I only have to wear one for clients known to wear one also.