Secret submarine base in Russia.

Just found this somewhere, its of an old submarine base in Balaklava, Russia. It looks like something from the PC game DOOM.

Secret Russian Base.

Heres a taster...




Peace
McP.

(Is this in the right place?...Could go up 1 maybe?)



[edit on 21/4/06 by Mcphisto]

Well its obviously not very secret anymore, is it?

I don't really see how it looks like Doom ether. =P

Ive seen a few pictures of some of these bases. man thats a tight fit IMHO for even a small submarine. While the activites inside would be hidden I simply do not see these affording any protection from a nuclear weapon near miss or not.

posted by Mcphisto: “Just found this somewhere; an old submarine base in Balaclava, Russia. www.funmansion.com... a Secret Russian Base.
Peace
McP.

Terrific, but one poster on that website said Balaclava is in Ukraine.

Originally posted by donwhite
Terrific, but one poster on that website said Balaclava is in Ukraine.

The source site also says its a SOVIET base, and the Ukraine was part of the USSR

"Fun Fact": Balaklava possibly is the source of the first plague pandemic in western Europe, brought from there by Genovese merchant sailors.

Originally posted by Kacen
Well its obviously not very secret anymore, is it?

I don't really see how it looks like Doom ether. =P

Your powers of observation blow me away! Are you in the Secret Service...Please do tell. I love a good yarn!

And it looks like Doom to me.

Peace
McP.

[edit on 21/4/06 by Mcphisto]

The base looks like it came from a james bond movie. Very good find

The main sub base in Russia has always been Polyarny (Sp)

This is just a joke but the picture kind of looks like where they filmed some scenes in the first Indiana Jones movie.

Originally posted by Crazy_Mr_Crowley
The main sub base in Russia has always been Polyarny (Sp)

This is just a joke but the picture kind of looks like where they filmed some scenes in the first Indiana Jones movie.

You say this is a joke. So you know this place is not there? You said the 'main' sub base, so does this mean it may be some other 'not main' base. Duh...

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McP.

Balaklava, Crimean Tatar: Baliqlava, is a town in Crimea, Ukraine which officially has a status of a district of the city of Sevastopol. It became famous for the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War, featuring the suicidal Charge of the Light Brigade, a cavalry charge down a heavily defended Russian position, in which about 250 men were killed or wounded, and over 400 horses lost, effectively reducing the size of the mounted brigade by two thirds. The British poet Alfred Tennyson wrote a famous poem on this charge. From Wikipedia.

I don't think anyone said this sub base was the main sub base of the USSR. After all, it is in the Black Sea. It was useful only for diesel powered WW2 subs on the German design. Most likely a training base. Nuclear tipped torpedoes were mentioned, which makes me wonder a bit. Maybe for training only?


[edit on 4/22/2006 by donwhite]

Hey Mcidiot. I didn't say the picture was Polyarny I was simply saying the Polyarny base has always been the main base so the one in the pic wouldn't be of much importance.

And if you haven't seen Idiana Jones I direct you to the nazi sub base scene.



[edit on 22-4-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]

Yes I agree with some of the posters. The set up looks to small for modern nucler submarines. Nuclear weapons perhapsed but not nuclear submarines. The entrance ways look to small for the normal size of the sail/hull structures of modern submarines. They would have to enter while mostly submerged. I think this was Fred T's statement about the entrances or facilities being small.

They are talking about putting a nuclear aircraft carrier in Jacksonville, Florida for when they retire the USS John F. Kennedy...way long overdue.
Jacksonville, Florida is not suitable due to lack of facilities for nuclear aircraft carriers. A huge and expensive job to get a facility ready for a nuc boat/ship.
This is not information the public readily knows but in the trades it is very common. Not classified but known in the trades.

What is known in the trade is that Nuclear Vessels of all types require special handling gear and facilities. This is the first thing I looked for in the available pictures is any evidence that this gear was in place or existed.

The other way is to take a natural background radiation count by instrumentation and then take readings around the areas. This is often done by making survey maps of individual areas and the counts in each area then combining them into a larger area map. This will tell you how "crapped out " and specifically where by radioactive contamination is this done in this area.

Nice pictures by the way..thanks,
Orangetom

posted by orangetom1999: “Yes I agree . . the set up looks to small for nuclear submarines. Nuclear weapons perhaps but not nuclear submarines. The entrance way is too small for the normal size sail hull structures of modern submarines. I think this was Fred T's statement the entrances being small.

They are talking about putting a nuclear aircraft carrier in Jacksonville, Florida when they retire the USS John F. Kennedy . . long overdue . . Jacksonville, Florida is not suitable due to lack of facilities for nuclear aircraft carriers. This is not information the public readily knows but is commonly known in the trades . . What is known is nuclear vessels require special handling gear and facilities. This is the first thing I looked for in the available pictures is any evidence that this gear was in place or existed . . take a natural background radiation count by instrumentation . . This is often done by making survey maps of individual areas . . This will tell you how much radioactive contamination is in this area. Nice pictures by the way..thanks, [Edited by Don W]

Mr. OrangeTom, Yahoo says it is 19.6 miles from my house on the southside of Jax to Mayport where the Navy’s ship facilities are operated. In 1994, the city of Jacksonville and the county of Duval merged into one political unit, named “Jacksonville” which includes Mayport, sited on the St. Johns River, about 2 miles inland from the ocean proper.

Doing things without regard for the propriety of it is known in W-DC as “pork.” Pork is equal to clout. The biggest boon doggie in Congressional history is the Space Flight Center in Houston TX. Yahoo says it is 1008 miles from Cape Canaveral to Houston. Can you imagine the redundancies in the communications lines laid between CC and H? The number of jetplane flights between CC and H over made over the decades? And etc.

Besides, there are other considerations. We down here are hoping to get the new carrier for the simple reason it will mean 3,000-6,000 jobs paying $45,000 to $90,000 a year plus fringes, good for 40-50 years. Unless peace should break out.

I’d bet on Jax. The multi-millionaire mayor of Jax is a regular golfing buddy to the President’s brother, the governor of this state. Who knows what they talk about while walking or riding the fairways? There will be lots and lots of money to be made here if the nuclear carrier is based here. There will be many new millionaires and multi-millionaires made in the Jax area.

There is also the advantage to the Navy that all the machinery for a new nuclear carrier will also be new and cutting edge. I’m sure Norfolk or even Groton may want to host the carrier, but I believe it is Yokohama and Manila that are the more competitive for the assignment.

[edit on 4/23/2006 by donwhite]

Thanks for your post. Yes I am aware of the pork and politics..same thing ..involved in the moving or transfereing of a carrier or any ship..carriers in particular.
Economics means politics means influence peddling and a host of other factors involved.
I live right next to the NASA Langley research facility so I am also aware of the politics involved in the space program. What you describe with Houston can be applied here. The military does this all the time. Lots of NASA flights into or out of this base..it is shared with the Air Force and the new F 22s coming on line.

By the way...two helicopters fly daily from the Norfolk Navy base to and fro Washington DC. Sometimes several times a day...depending on what is going on. They are usually the type which say "The United States of America" on the sides of them. It must cost a bundle to keep these things flying. A primary and a back up. 24/7 365 days a year. They often go right over my house..so I know of what you speak. So I do understand.

As to the communications lines this is true but the nature of the communications buisness has changed over the years. I am sure NASA and other military/research facilities have had these communications lines both voice and data for years before home computers were made availiable to the public. I am certain of this...going back to the days of radio teletype. IN the olde days long range antennas used to look over the horizon for long distance signals.....today they look up to the skys for satellites. The military has always had its own independent communications systems...today including special satellite services and can also take over the civilian sector with just a stroke of the pen.

I am also aware of the competition in the Pacific theaters. The urgency there. Most Americans are not..they just watch sports or other such drivel on the boob tube. American Idol,Apprentice et al.

These carriers are all built in this town...all of them..also just down the road from me ..so I know a bit about them and the facilities needed to park one for any length of time.

Yes ..agree there are great amounts of politics involved..I agree.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom

posted by orangetom1999: “Thanks for your post. Yes I am aware of the pork and politics . . Economics means politics means influence peddling and a host of other factors involved . . I live right next to the NASA Langley research facility so I am aware of the politics involved in the space program. What you describe with Houston can be applied here. The military does this all the time. [Edited by Don W]

10-4 on everything you say Except the last sentence. We are blaming the wrong agency. Generals and admirals do not site bases. Senators and Representatives site bases. Yet they get to escape public attention because we “loosely” blame the “military” institutionally speaking. Wrong! A lazy media keeps this misunderstanding going.

By the way two helicopters fly daily from the Norfolk Navy base to and from Washington DC. Sometimes several times a day . . depending on what is going on. They are usually the type which say "The United States of America" on the sides of them. It must cost a bundle to keep these things flying. A primary and a back up. 24/7 365 days a year.

I’d guess $3,000 per hour of flight for each and every one of those helicopters. Blades examined after every flight. Changed if the slightest nick is observed. Engines and blades changed in 1/10th the time you and I are subjected to in any commercial ‘chopper ride. I wonder how many times Mr Libby was the only passenger? Or Karl Rove? Or their predecessor during the prior administrations? I wonder who authorizes those flights when its not the president or his family and what criteria are in place? I guess it’s called a perk.

As to the communications lines I am sure NASA and other military facilities have had these communications lines both voice and data for years before home computers were made available to the public . . today they look up to the skies for satellites. The military has always had its own independent communications systems and can also take over the civilian sector with just a stroke of the pen. I am aware of the competition in the Pacific. Most Americans are not . . they just watch sports or other such drivel on the boob tube. American Idol, Apprentice, et al. These carriers are all built in this town . . just down the road from me . . I know a bit about them and the facilities needed to park one for any length of time. Yes ..agree there are great amounts of politics involved..I agree. Orangetom [Edited by Don W]

Here’s a clip from Military.com.
Sikorsky has never been challenged for a Presidential contract until this year . . Lockheed Martin has stepped up with a U.S. version of the EH101, manufactured by the British-Italian company, Agusta-Westland. This machine is larger than its competitor, and has already seen service in Operation Iraqi Freedom with the British RAF.

Sikorsky has designed the VH-92 for the VXX program based on over five million flight hours of the H-60 Black Hawk and the SH-60 Seahawk. The VH-92 itself has not had nearly as many flight hours as its predecessors, putting its reliability under question. Sikorsky can point to its All-American team of defense firms, and its long legacy of Presidential ‘choppers.

Sikorsky VH-92
Weight: 28,000 lbs.
Load capacity: 11,000
Engines: 2 GE CT7-8C
Baggage: 439 nm
Cruise Speed: 150 kt.
OEI: 60%

Lockheed Martin US101
Weight: 32,000 lbs.
Load capacity: 13,000
Engines: 3 GE CT7-8E
Baggage: 550 nm
Cruise Speed: 150 kt.
OEI: 80%

See helicopters.atww.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_MarineOne,,00.html

What does “OEI” stand for O/T?

Cool pictures But it really reminds me more of Halflife then DOOM

Must be pretty old modern Russian Subs are giants and I doubt would even come close to fitting in there. Makes me wonder if the have a modern underground sub bases for their current subs that would indeed be a impressive site if they have any like that.

Yup...those flights are not inexpensive ...I agree. I dont know how much is chocked up to training. I have always supposed it was material like " Eyes Only which cannot be left to the wires or airways that they are transporting . Passengers of some note also.. I think they are courier flights. During the Mid East events ..both times the airways were buzzing several times a day with these flights. It seems to have tapered off recently or perhapsed I dont notice as much since changing shifts. This is one of the clues that something is going down...not necessarily on the news. Sort of like how many pizzas or Chinese take out are ordered when the Pentagon or Washingtion is suddenly working overtime.
Nevertheless big bucks ...yes for one of those flights..much less two of them.

As to the generals causing this type fo stuff..yes...I agree they do not make this type of policy. What I meant by the military does this all the time is courier flights to and fro different places in the country. People often travel on thier ID cards space available on these flights if they can and save a few bucks.

Yes the media hardly ever covers this arena...they are lazy and often shill for thier respective partys. This is not a arena of special intrest to a lazy media.

I used to be in a rescue outfit years ago..over seas..HH3 Jolly Green Giants. I remember the blades and they had a push button on them by which you could check the inert gas charge in them. If it didnt turn red you had a gas leak and the blade needed to be changed. Huge 5 bladed mains on those helos. Also I have known people who were assigned to that presidential fleet...yes they get priority.

Helicopters are high maintnence aircraft compared to fixed wing. Especially the big ones. Those with long range external fuel tanks. This also means costs...but the catch is that they can do performance hard to match with fixed wing craft. They fit a unique niche for the military and civilian arena.

I guess I should tell you ...I work for that very yard where the Carriers are built ..and have worked both submarine and aircraft carrier projects. Overhauls and new construction. This is how I know about the sites in the pictures and what for to look.

Went shooting today..must clean my rifles and sort my brass now.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom

Have you tried this site, orangetom1999, local.live.com...

Thanks for that site. I have bookmarked it. I punched in a couple of companys of which I am familiar with the names and Wola....presto. Intresting site. Thanks,

Orangetom

кто руский?

I heard that Russia still has Nuclear submarines in the polar ice caps.