Iran getting itchy

I kind of ignored what was in the news on Iran and than I started to read various sites based in Iran about Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood I was very surprised to see the severe hate these people hold. I am curious why Iran feels such a strong itch to do something? Anyone have any speculative thoughts on why? It seems every bit in the Western media they come out saying something like the 50 million donation to Palestinian.
Today muslim Qatar Pledges $50 Million to Palestinians.

Than I saw how the Palestinian government was Hamas and started to see a bigger picture forming.

Anyway my main point is what kind of threat does Iran hold toward us? Do you think they have a nuke that could reach US soil? Do you think they just want to invade Israel w/ Palestine? How will Russia and China play along when this happens?


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www.pmw.org.il... "We will drink the blood of the Jews" VIDEO FOOTAGE*

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The US gave Iran the technological blueprint int he making of nuclear missiles years back. The chance of them being capable of landing one on US soil is actually rather good because Iran is one of many underground friends. To further answer your question, I saw the president of Iran on CNN last week announce that if a pre-emptive nuclear strike should happen to them, they have already made arrangements with suicide bombers to retalliate against the U.S. and/or nations involved in the bombing. Scary!

Sorry but Iran CAN'T nuke US!! It's impossible!! Their best missile, if he works, can only go 4000km or even 6000km. It's hard for them to even reach Europe so US is totally impossible.

Stop believing CNN!! It's just a fear mongering channel to make you support you're president!

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Sorry but Iran CAN'T nuke US!! It's impossible!! Their best missile, if he works, can only go 4000km or even 6000km. It's hard for them to even reach Europe so US is totally impossible.

Stop believing CNN!! It's just a fear mongering channel to make you support you're president!

Im sure North korea could hit the west coast. I believe they did a test in which there missle could hit Alaska. If they got on board with iran watch out.

Iran doesn't need a missile to nuke the United States. It's not too hard to ship one over and detonate it on US soil...

You think so? As a lot of people says here, if even a single fish move around iran or near their borders, they will know it. And people here are saying that their anti-missile system is missile-proof with tens of nuclear missile so with one is just plain impossible.

So even if NK would be able to lauch a nuke or a submarine near anywhere in US, the US defence would know it and destroy it.

And if a boat carry the nukes, well where will it come from? Iran? US surely would know. If the nuke is already in the US, they are good thinkers. But if they do only explode one, Iran will be immediately wiped off the map by US and Israël. So maybe they are crazy but they wouldn't do a such thing unless they are sure they can't prevent or MAD an attack from the USA!

So they CAN'T NUKE US using the military says so why bother??

[edit on 17-4-2006 by Vitchilo]

its all BS! this is what an american weapons inspector says about iran being a threat.


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[edit on 17-4-2006 by HereticHulk]

Anyway my main point is what kind of threat does Iran hold toward us?

At the moment, the threat level inasmuch as a military strike by the Iranian military is fairly low. The suicide bombers, and/or other terrorist actions could be a threat, but not as much as it seems.

Do you think they have a nuke that could reach US soil?

I don't believe they have a nuclear weapon capable of reaching our contiguous 48. Most likely they can't reach Hawai'i or Alaska, either.

However, they can hit us in Iraq, and other lands we are currently in. They may do something like the Tanzania and Kenya bombings, which were targeted at our embassies, or decide to launch a strike against other holdings. It remains to be seen what they will do, but as for a nuke hitting the US 48, I'm pretty sure that they can't do that (yet).

Do you think they just want to invade Israel w/ Palestine?

They have no intention of invading Israel. They intend to anihilate them, "wipe them off the map" according to their current president.

This does pose a problem. As we are Israel's allies, the position we are placed in is untenable at best, and violent at worst. We cannot stand by and allow Israel to be bombed. They, on our say so, during GW1, stood by and allowed themselves to be "scudded" and their people killed, without striking back. They have self restraint, but I do not think it would extend to being nuked and not retaliating.

So again, the sticky wicket. Do we assist them actively, in a pre-emptive manner, based on their fears (justified, imho) that there will be an incursion and/or attack against their populace? Or do we sit back and wait for that to happen? If it happens, and Israel is attacked, we will have no choice but to throw all we have at the aggressor. If we don't wait, and encourage Israel (either directly or indirectly) to perform an airstrike, would that be seen as aggression towards the state of Iran in the world's opinion? Dunno...but that is the position we are placed in.

This will be a war by proxy, methinks, inasmuch as we will back Israel in the initial stages without participating ourselves. But how that will continue, and play out, remains to be seen.

How will Russia and China play along when this happens?

The economic result of Russia and/or China siding with Iran is going to be interesting. What's in it for them? Well, an uninterrupted flow of oil to either country which needs that to continue their production and local economies. But without us buying their exports, the production of their goods will slow, and will result in a smaller need for oil.

The political temperature in Russia is very different than it is in China. China is, imho, more apt to back Iran openly than would be Russia. Russia has lots of little battles going on, little fires which will flare up without attention (Chechnya, Georgia, and so on), whereas China has no real fires at the moment (only an intent about Taiwan). China would be more willing to announce publicly an alliance with Iran whereas Russia would either remain neutral (apparently...not necessarily) or side with the United States (while still back-door supplying Iran with weapons and whatnot...).

Add into the mix the Hamas/Islamic Jihad's jockeying for position, and you indeed have a boiling vat. It remains to be seen where the vat will pour out, and frankly, I'm not looking forward to it at all.

Best-
Aimless




[edit on 17-4-2006 by Aimless Searcher]

to wipe a country off the face of the planet would imply a nuclear strike right?

how would that benefit iran, who ultimately want their land back from the jews right? and of course the jews out of there!

a nuclear strike would render the land inhospitable for many years right? and even possibly harm other mideastern countries in the process!?!

[edit on 17-4-2006 by HereticHulk]

[edit on 17-4-2006 by HereticHulk]

Well to answer the thread starters initial questions:

Firts of all: Beware of various sites based in Iran about Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood these sites may be zionist/neocon propaganda designed to dehumanize Arabs/Muslims

At any rate, they hate America because of it's support of Israel and all those dead Iraqis and Falluja in ruins adds to their rage..they don't understand why America doesn't just go the hell home and stop interfering in the region..you'd probably hate too.

The Iranians putting up their dukes and saying fyou-were gonna enrich using 54,000 centrifuges, fyou we're giving the Palestinians the money, fyou Israel should be wiped out (although when he made those speeches he clearly indicated that Israel should be wiped out via political means, like it's a racist movement like Aphartied in S.Africa or it should be wiped out like the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.)

But the reason they are challenging the US is because the US/Western Media keeps goin on about how easy it will be to beat Iran in a war..oh sure we'll just take out a few sites, no big deal, Iran will easily colapse

Iran says oh really you so bad are you, lets see ya bring it then, cmon we'll fire our missiles at your bases in Iraq , we'll hit your ships with our sunburn missiles, we'll give insurgents sophesticated shoulder launched missiles and take out your helicopters, we'll kick you ass in a war!

thats whats goin on, the American govt/media is totally disrespecting the Iranian nation and the Iranians are looking to humiliate Bush/America by saying "Bring it on pussy!" and then the Americans are backing off.

Originally posted by jajabinks
The Iranians putting up their dukes and saying fyou-were gonna enrich using 54,000 centrifuges, fyou we're giving the Palestinians the money, fyou Israel should be wiped out (although when he made those speeches he clearly indicated that Israel should be wiped out via political means, like it's a racist movement like Aphartied in S.Africa or it should be wiped out like the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.)

I must have missed the part of the speach where he made this clear....could you supply a link or even a quote to back this up?

thats whats goin on, the American govt/media is totally disrespecting the Iranian nation and the Iranians are looking to humiliate Bush/America by saying "Bring it on pussy!" and then the Americans are backing off.

Do you HONESTLY think them running their mouths will cause America to run trembling in fear

The ONLY thing its doing is giving Bush a REASON to bomb the crap out of them

Sorry don't got a link, don't want to search for the translated text of his speech but I know for a fact that when he said "wipe Israel off the map" he compared it to the Soviet Union or Aphartied S.Africa..that indicates something other than nuclear/military..he doesn't go teh the Iranian people and say "I hate them and I want them all dead" he never said anything about forcing Jews to leave Palestine either, just that the "Zionist regime" be destroyed.

And he's not trying to make America tremble in fear thats not what I said, he doesn't like the rhetoric/policies coming out of US/Israel so he's standing up to it, and since the western media has already led everyone to believe that an attack on Iran is inevetable and would be easy so Iran better watch out..then the Pentagon reports back to Bush-Sorry Mr. President but these guys have some nice sht so we'd better no screw with them at this point..it makes the US look like pussys..

US govt/military/media/pundits has to check itself..if your gonna shoot off your mouth about military action, better be ready to back it up with action..

US made some political/rhetorical moves, Iran check-mated them.

Originally posted by jajabinks
Sorry don't got a link, don't want to search for the translated text of his speech but I know for a fact that when he said "wipe Israel off the map" he compared it to the Soviet Union or Aphartied S.Africa..that indicates something other than nuclear/military..he doesn't go teh the Iranian people and say "I hate them and I want them all dead" he never said anything about forcing Jews to leave Palestine either, just that the "Zionist regime" be destroyed.

What crap, he never mentioned achieving this through political means. What have you been smoking ?
You're putting your own slant on things, not backed up by fact.

Originally posted by jajabinks
Sorry don't got a link, don't want to search for the translated text of his speech but I know for a fact that

Well as long as you know it for a fact there is no need to back it up....we will all just take your word for it.

.then the Pentagon reports back to Bush-Sorry Mr. President but these guys have some nice sht so we'd better no screw with them at this point..it makes the US look like pussys..

Just exactly when did the Pentagon tell the President that we better not mess with Iran? I didnt see that on the news. Do you have a link.....or should we just take your word for this too?

US govt/military/media/pundits has to check itself..if your gonna shoot off your mouth about military action, better be ready to back it up with action..

Its a good thing Irans not shooting their mouth of aint it?

US made some political/rhetorical moves, Iran check-mated them.

Again do you have a link to back this up?

Sounds like politics to me, I think its safe to assume that there is extra security for America, if it can control Iraq, and not have to worry about its neighbor (Iran) from making to much noise.

Originally posted by jajabinks

then the Pentagon reports back to Bush-Sorry Mr. President but these guys have some nice sht so we'd better no screw with them at this point..it makes the US look like pussys..

US govt/military/media/pundits has to check itself..if your gonna shoot off your mouth about military action, better be ready to back it up with action..

US made some political/rhetorical moves, Iran check-mated them.

Check mated

I could have agreed that Iran put the US in check though that would be a stretch as well,but check mated wow i suggest stepping away from the Forrest and take a look at the foliage.

The Iranian Pres seems hell bent on bringing about WW111, either the world should let them have nukes and they`ll use them when and how they like which will bring about WW111 or they`ll start ww111 trying to get them.and you seem to think this is good why?and pussies because of the situation they are bringing to the world?

Its a stale mate right now guys. Iran is forcing the US to play its cards, unfortunately bad things will happen if the US engages Iran, the US will probably find a diplomatic way to play it off in the media and try to maintain its dignity as it steals oil from Iraq and imposes its occupation.

If the US does invade Iran I would divest of all American Securities cause if China and Russia start making moves its all over for the US in the middle east.

[edit on 18-4-2006 by pcxmac]

Originally posted by pcxmac
If the US does invade Iran I would divest of all American Securities

cause if China and Russia start making moves its all over for the US in the middle east.

[edit on 18-4-2006 by pcxmac]

Do you honestly think Russia or China will go to war with the US over Iran? They arent going to risk a war that could turn nuclear, the total destruction of all three countries, the world economy collapse, deaths in the millions if not billions, etc; over a few million dollars in oil profits that they could buy as cheaply from us as Iran?

If America goes into Iran there will have been a backdoor deal cut with both of them. Neither are interested protecting Iran or destroying Israel, only in getting their share of the oil.

Most of what we're hearing is mostly little tidbits of disinformation designed to scare people into supporting more military assaults on the middle east.

The iranians don'y have nucleur weapons let alone the means to get them to the united states. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise!


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Remember? we've been down this road before..

That was an eccentric comment, sorry I like to do that some times.

In essence I was trying to convey that I believe Iran to be a "last straw", before they start becoming more public in there pressure military, or econmical.

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As China is a leading financier of the U.S. current account deficit and holds the world's largest foreign exchange reserves, the comments, from Cheng Siwei, a deputy Parliament chief, sent the dollar lower against the euro and yen and pushed U.S. government bond prices down.

The comments could add to the contentious issues that will come up during Hu's visit, notably what some U.S. politicians and companies see as currency manipulation by Beijing, accused of holding down the yuan to gain an unfair trade advantage. "

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