Your idea of a soul is...?

Im looking to see what you all think about this, Dont BS me about this, only the truth please. Everyone has an "idea" however i want to see where you are at with the "Soul" these are some of my thoughts on this:

As we find out the soul can do amazing things, and we also find out that the soul can heal its self with the help of the heart. It is funny how when I myself feel lost/unbalanced or feel like when I did something that damaged my soul, my heart hurts.
So if you injure your pride or your self-respect the body pays for it? So if it affects the body as a whole, is that payback, justice or nothing? Do we die sooner then what was “planed”? Do you think if we just stop and think about our actions before we react we might avoid hurting our soul, then our physical beings would reflect the desire to do “good”…well most people will find that there life would be longer and more relaxing to the sight of love and contentment that is around them at all times.

So why don’t we talk to our self’s…that is right talk to our self’s in hopes that someone will here us to prove that even “I am not alone in this world”. Do you pray? Does that sound weird that someone talks to them self’s and may even hear the answer that is given to them? Do you think that is why we find ourselves alone most of the time during trials and tribulations? Do you think that others help pushed us in the direction that they think we should or would rather see us go?

I might start the rolling of emotions with my desire to know myself, however I do know and understand that once I start the process of learning that I am not the one in control of how much I will learn. Say what you will but there is a wall and know(no) im not passing blame on my own ignorance or stupidly, I just know that one will learn as much as the gods will let them. (Have you ever met someone that seems to do very well in school but can’t seem to grasp the “simple” things around? You have heard this; Street smarts and Book smarts. Both do every well just different paths of learning. Have you truly met a person with both qualities, there called gifted/genius ect. And they still will never know all there is. [there playing-field is bigger then most, more distance between them and there wall])

Do you do things with your mind that even you might have to stand back in amazement? Start doing it young because as we get older our ideas of right and wrong get scrambled up with the thoughts, ideas, beliefs and dreams of your peers and mentors.. Just be good to your soul and the gods will be good to “you” and your body. Life has to have ups and downs, just when and how many are up to us and our actions. We are leaning about pain and pleasure, love and hate, light and dark and peace and war that comes our way, will come our way, has and always will flow to fill the dimming glow from within.

“I do my best to take full responsibility of everything I do, but other people do help me feel and react in a way that isn’t who or what I stand for. That is when my soul hurts and I need to take a step back and have a talk with my self.”

i have more but i will save face until a later date.
edit for better reading..well imo

[edit on 16-4-2006 by CORF]

Well, as an introduction to this post, I would just say I don't BS (so don't be a skeptic towards me )

I can truly say I find myself everyday walking around doing something, talking to myself. I ain't lonely, so its not a psychological issue... But I found myself yesterday at work, confused about when I should be taking in all the storage supplies, "We should probably do it later...", I then got in and grabbed a cup of coffee, "What is it we are supposed to do today... Let me check...". This happens everyday... And I feel that if I reference myself as 'we', then it will show my subconscious I am not taking my soul for granted, and my soul has a part to play in everything that I do, and of course so does my body .

One learns what he (lol, déjà vu) is set to learn... You can learn whatever you want, but there is one thing that you should be sure to learn about, and that is about the soul. The God will never limit you to learn about yourself, for its a natural thing to want to learn about, whereas learning how to drive a car isn't.

And for the record, if you learn about yourself, as in whole... You will learn to see past the materialistic emotions that have taken the credit, and is what defines us now as 'human'. If you learn to love your true self, you will see pride as nothing more than an emotion, and your self-respect will be eternal, because you will know that your soul also has a part to play in your everyday life.

Im just alittle unsure of some of the people(recieve slack for an"idea" on this sight), The soul has alot of doors and I like the idea that not everyone likes the same"door".

Volatile:"And for the record, if you learn about yourself, as in whole... You will learn to see past the materialistic emotions that have taken the credit, and is what defines us now as 'human'. If you learn to love your true self, you will see pride as nothing more than an emotion, and your self-respect will be eternal, because you will know that your soul also has a part to play in your everyday life."

I like what you have said here. I hope others will share there idea's.

I guess people dont know or care to explain what a soul is or could be.
Nothing like not knowing your self!

I believe the "soul" is the part of us given by God when we are conceived. We are not happy or satisfied until we connect "body" and "soul". God meant for it to make us whole.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Look in a mirror if you want to see a soul. It is you, your physical body with the breath of life; One is not alive with out the other.

I'm just asking , if you want to answer you can. I'm just thinking out loud is all.
So is the soul only apart of the living body?
The energy that is given to live?
So does the soul turn into or "up-grade" to a spirit upon death of the body?
Or can it be done with in the body?
Mind, body and soul comes to mind.
Just woundering is all.

The idea of individual souls is misleading.

We are actually all the same soul, if you like expressions of the same soul.

I am you and you are me. we are everything and nothing at the same time.

We are the same under the illusion of being more than one.

The really amazing thing is we all know this as true at the fundamental level, it's the part of us that will read this and feel powerful with a sly smile.

Best regards,

NeoN HaZe.

Here are my personal thoughts on Soul.

God, as it's often called, is the infinite mind in potential. The void is God unmanifested. A soul is a complex thought form of God. It is a piece of the infinite mind vibrating in action. The soul is God manifested.

Originally posted by Neon Haze
The idea of individual souls is misleading.

We are actually all the same soul, if you like expressions of the same soul.

I am you and you are me. we are everything and nothing at the same time.

We are the same under the illusion of being more than one.

The really amazing thing is we all know this as true at the fundamental level, it's the part of us that will read this and feel powerful with a sly smile.

I think you hit it right on the button. This is what I've been working on for a while, trying to reconcile my body and my soul and mind, with very little luck . However, I definately have a tendency to say "we" when referring to "I." It is as if my body does not just have one "soul," but the body has a soul as well. I don't know how to describe it, but all living (vibrating) things and possibly nonliving have some sort of soul and maybe that soul has a soul?

Just throwing ideas out there, I'm not a perfect scholar

Originally posted by Neon Haze


The really amazing thing is we all know this as true at the fundamental level, it's the part of us that will read this and feel powerful with a sly smile.

Best regards,

NeoN HaZe.

A sly smile? A powerful one at that?
Energy is energy, yea everyone is apart of everything.(not everyone see this) the fact you think we are sitting here asking/reading/woundering about this is to have power?? Not everyone knows who they are. And for you to think this about us (imo) isnt right. Do you love power and the idea of it. We look for truth not hate or fear RIGHT!
It seems alot of poeple are in a haze about the truth. That is why i ask what eveyone thinks about this....not a sly smile for power.
Keep the haze bight as a neon light.

Originally posted by biggie smalls
all living (vibrating) things and possibly nonliving have some sort of soul and maybe that soul has a soul?

Sounds good to me. I suppose if we desired to connect it to science we could say that soul particles are the strings in 'string theory'. Everything is made of these soul particles or manifested thoughts from the Infinite Mind.

The soul that humans have is an advanced version with lots of soul particles that have coalesced to form complex conscious units of soulness.

Animals have souls but not as complex. Their souls are more basic archetypical such as a lion being proud or a cat being crafty. As the animal progress they accumulate more soulness and gain more of a defined personality. When they achieve that they they can reincarnate as more advanced physical units such as humans. Thus providing a broader range of experience to further advance their soul.

Inanimate matter has soul particles but they are very basic. Such as attract-repel, push-pull, and the other behaviors we see in quarks and such subatomic particles. These are unconscious pieces of the infinite all but are still vibrations capable of forming more advanced units.

The progression starts at inanimate matter. Crystals are an example of the highest complexity of soul particles in inanimate matter.

The next step is basic animal archetypes.

After that comes individualized personalities as we see in humans.

Beyong that are advanced energy complexes with god-like abilities over the physical realm. To achieve that level the personality must choose which side of physical existence it wishes to be a "god" over. Creative or Entropic. Order or Chaos. Sun or Black Hole. Good or Bad. Once that choice is fully manifested within the personality then the soul unit can incarnate in the energy realm.

Once the unit has exhausted the learning and advanced beyond the physical then they return to what some call the spirit realm. The spirit realm is contained within and outside the physical realms. It is where the advanced soul unit gains their sovereignty back and no longer need the learning provided by the interaction in the physical. They are basically adult souls at that point.

After this, the soul units coalesce to form large soul units. For instance, human individual souls will coalesce back together to form one. This is what some would term the oversoul. It's what early christianity termed "The Father". These large units are the original complex thought forms of the Infinite Mind. Some of these thought forms chose to experience the physical for faster learning, such as the "human" soul. Others did not chose this and remained at that level but at a much lower learning rate.

The end to it all is when all the manifested soul particles return to the highest vibration of the Infinite Mind and are united once again as one complete infinite unit.

Edit: Spelling.

[edit on 4/19/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by CORF
I'm just asking , if you want to answer you can. I'm just thinking out loud is all.
So is the soul only apart of the living body?
The energy that is given to live?
So does the soul turn into or "up-grade" to a spirit upon death of the body?
Or can it be done with in the body?
Mind, body and soul comes to mind.
Just woundering is all.

The soul is "the living body with the energy given to live."

The soul never turns into a spirit upon death. At death the soul has died.

Your attempting to make the soul a spirit occupying a vessel or body. That is the error in your thinking. Do not think the soul as your "personal spirit". A soul is breath of life with organic materials; The living. Two things become one. Example: Think of a watermelon. Water being the half and representing the life force or breath. Now the seeds, rind, and other organic material being the other half. Both put together form "watermelon" aka the "soul". With out water you have not a "watermelon", but just some organic substance or corps, shell and vise versa. Think of a soul as a living person. Thee embodyment; the whole, oneness.

When you die you do not become a disembodied spirit or upgrade to a spirit. That is Hollywood.

When you die, you are.. well dead and waiting; the Bible refers to this as sleep also the first death. (Think about sleep for a moment though.. when you fall to sleep and wake up you have no recollection of time, such is death. To the living they see your corps because they are in time. To the dead his next conscious thought like waking from sleep no concept of time passing will be resurrection unto Christ or resurrection to the day for judgment; pray it is not the latter.)

When Christ comes back he is coming to raise the dead in Him; to take with Him for eternity.

1 Thessalonians 4:16, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

1 Corinthians 15:51-53, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

When you in Christ are transformed you are with your body in an uncorrupted form; without blemish, disease, etc.. It will be new unto you but will be your own body. You will be immortal at that point; A body.. a soul.. flesh and blood, breathing, walking, talking.

Your body can not generate a spirit per say you can however entertain or host a spirit or spirits; there is a danger in that practice. Spiritual forces are a different creation all together others often refer to them as "vibrations" or "levels", "entities". Angels, demons and such. They live in the unseen world that is connected to our world they are a soul however we live in "time" they live in the "eternal" Can we see them? When permited yes at times we can. Can they die? Yes, In the end God destroys all the wicked; This is the second death the final. (fyi, The second death is what Jesus saves you from.)

Forget that mind, body, soul stuff... Your mind is unto the body that is part of the soul.

Originally posted by CORF

Originally posted by Neon Haze


The really amazing thing is we all know this as true at the fundamental level, it's the part of us that will read this and feel powerful with a sly smile.

Best regards,

NeoN HaZe.

A sly smile? A powerful one at that?
Energy is energy, yea everyone is apart of everything.(not everyone see this) the fact you think we are sitting here asking/reading/woundering about this is to have power?? Not everyone knows who they are. And for you to think this about us (imo) isnt right. Do you love power and the idea of it. We look for truth not hate or fear RIGHT!
It seems alot of poeple are in a haze about the truth. That is why i ask what eveyone thinks about this....not a sly smile for power.
Keep the haze bight as a neon light.

Power is not a negative or a positive, it just is.

Chaos into order - Order into Chaos.... Unthinking into thinking.

Nothing into something.

Travelling at a million miles an hour with nothing to measure your speed could also be considered as to be not moving at all.

What is reality but a measure to gage our thoughts by.

We are One and we are Nothing. We are the same.

We are God.

NeoN HaZe.

Your soul is "you".
The body is just a vehicle to transport it around.
Yes, you are right about the correlation between heart and soul. I got hurt severely (heartbroken) when I found out my love of 8 years was a sex addict/nymphomaniac and had been running around behind my back all the time we were together (lived together). It crushed me and created the worst hurt inside of me that I have ever felt in my life. And, I felt the pain literally in the center of my chest, my heart. Amazing.

I also believe that depression is "soul sickness". I don't go for the whole psychology aspect of it (going to therapy, relying on a shrink to fix you). Nobody can fix you mentally but yourself and the grace of God's will. Prayer is the secret to healing depression. Only God can heal a sick soul.

Originally posted by CORF
So does the soul turn into or "up-grade" to a spirit upon death of the body?

No. God doesn't magically "ting" your soul and "wallah" your fixed. Your state of mind/consciousness at the time of death is exactly how you'll think and feel when you cross over the veil and meet God. You're not going to all of a sudden become "goody-goody" because you died. That's why it's a good idea to lead a good life and die in a state of grace.

I believe when we die we are judged by our virtues and vices. If your vices and misdeeds throughout life outweight your virtues, then I think you're gonna be in trouble. The whole Born-Again notion of "Well, I've accepted Jesus as my Savior so that automatically reserves me a place in heaven" is a lie. That's nothing but talking the talk. God wants us to walk the walk. What about the guy who lived a righteous life, but couldn't grasp the whole Jesus-thing, yet he lived righteously in God's eyes? Then the Born Again who did nothing but condescend and judge non-Christians right and left throughout his life, causing much stress, upset and hurt, shows up. Who do you think God is gonna let through first? The nasty Christian or the clueless righteous man?

IMHO since I believe that God is a triune being and that He created us in His image, we are also triune beings. I am body, soul, and spirit. Body is the physical, soul is my conscious will (thoughts and emotion). My spirit is that part of me that was awoken when I accepted Jesus as my personal savior. It is the part of me that communes with the triune God and longs to be in His presence. I believe that soul and spirit continue to live after the body dies.

I dont think that you become a "goody goody" when you die. I dont think that "god" will turn his back on anyone, we get what we are. The idea that we become better then before ... doesnt the truth come out when you die? What is and what isnt? Who we are and what we should not be? The whole mind, body and soul is what makes us human? Hollywood...well I know im not the only one to think of a "up-grade" in life after death. That idea has been around a lot longer then hollywood has. I do understand why you said that. Its the main fuction of life..AKA the soul which is energy to keep one alive.

"gamesetmatch:Your attempting to make the soul a spirit occupying a vessel or body. That is the error in your thinking."

well if you put it that way yea it is an error. but as you go on you to say that we are not or will not be a spirit when we pass??? We stay with the body until Christ comes for us, and then rise to the word of god. Is that why the brain still has "sparks" of energy flowing throught it after death? Is that the "resting place" for the new coming? what happens if you are cremated are you still in the ash of the body? were is the energy or soul at? Are they lost floating around? Waiting ? Or do they burn with the body? ash to ash , dust to dust? so if not a spirit then what is a ghost? A imprint on time?
I like that idea that darkelf has said"soul and spirit continue to live after the body dies." and his/her post as a whole.
Does the mind, body and soul = the spirit? (all become one. waiting to be touched by "god")

Neon Haze: Power is not a negative or a positive, it just is.

yea bad choice of word on my part, power is power and we are seeking some kind of "power"

Neon Haze: Chaos into order - Order into Chaos.... Unthinking into thinking.

Okay

Neon Haze: Nothing into something.

This i see.

Neon Haze: Travelling at a million miles an hour with nothing to measure your speed could also be considered as to be not moving at all.

So is a apple red if your color blind...come on.

Neon Haze: What is reality but a measure to gage our thoughts by.

Okay

Neon Haze: We are One and we are Nothing. We are the same.

Well im something and you can be the same or keep thinking your nothing.
And wait to be something.

Neon Haze: We are God.

not going to touch this one!
I hope i didnt piss you off neon haze, it wasnt my plan if i did. its just the way you said it "and feel powerful with a sly smile."

The soul is our personality which predates the body and exists after bodily death.

When the soul, which is living consciousness, leaves matter, it automatically becomes a slightly higher pattern of energy.

That is why even evil people in the Lower Realms (for a short time) can abuse the saintly and innocents in general who are in the flesh. However, the price of sadism is lessening oneself away from The Light. Do it long enough and you cancel yourself out of existence; this happens all the time and is the reason why evil forces have never been successful in completely taking over.

The greater the expansion of consciousness in the discarnate dimensions, the more powerful the level of energy and the higher the degree of spiritual vibration. When a soul incarnates, it lessens in spiritual vibration and ends direct access to The Light until its return after death.

Originally posted by zerotolerance

Originally posted by CORF
So does the soul turn into or "up-grade" to a spirit upon death of the body?

No. God doesn't magically "ting" your soul and "wallah" your fixed. Your state of mind/consciousness at the time of death is exactly how you'll think and feel when you cross over the veil and meet God. You're not going to all of a sudden become "goody-goody" because you died. That's why it's a good idea to lead a good life and die in a state of grace.

I believe when we die we are judged by our virtues and vices. If your vices and misdeeds throughout life outweigh your virtues, then I think you're gonna be in trouble. The whole Born-Again notion of "Well, I've accepted Jesus as my Savior so that automatically reserves me a place in heaven" is a lie. That's nothing but talking the talk. God wants us to walk the walk. What about the guy who lived a righteous life, but couldn't grasp the whole Jesus-thing, yet he lived righteously in God's eyes? Then the Born Again who did nothing but condescend and judge non-Christians right and left throughout his life, causing much stress, upset and hurt, shows up. Who do you think God is gonna let through first? The nasty Christian or the clueless righteous man?

Great points.

Heaven is achieved through deed, not creed. -- Emanuel Swedenborg

Character and one's application of The Golden Rule (or lack of it) - which is related to the Christian notion of good works - not just lip service to a purported deity, dictates how far one's consciousness can expand in The Light after completely leaving the flesh.