Is Ufology under attack here or something?

I posted this in the UFO Forum for a reason, because I beleive this specific forum, and maybe a few others (WoT, 9/11) are subject to this "attack" more then others.

Recently, it seems as if more and more people are coming to ATS for "storytime" writing. A whole slew of members (new and old) are deciding to write stories, and then try to argue why it should be true. Not why it is true.

Eventually, after taking pressure and peer review of the material, the story proves to be false, and everyone moves on. No questions asked.

I think it's time to start questioning members that provide little to no factual information to their posts. This isn't a storyboard, this is a serious discussion board. (well, it used to be).

The recent influx of storytellers after the Serpo incident is what really got me thinking about this attack. Serpo brought the attention of the entire alien community on one subject. Which proved to be false. Now, there seems to be a huge wave of unbelievable stories flying across ATS and various other boards. It's almost as if there has been a huge shift into trying to totally discredit Ufology as a whole.. by throwing out as much crap as you can without actually providing ANYTHING to chew on.

Because we started to chew on Serpo for a while. We got close and we showed them what we could do!

I think it's time for some more of our veteran posters to step in and help clean these forums up by denying ignorance and showing these storytellers that we're not reading... We're writing...

I could make this post very personal to a handful of people on ATS. But I refuse to focus energy on specific people. But if you call me out on this, I will provide a debatical fight. You know who you are.


[edit on 4/16/2006 by QuietSoul]

Does nobody agree with me that there seems to be a recent increase in fictional threads on the board?

Hmm, maybe its just me.. or because its late. Look forward to reading your replies.

[edit on 4/16/2006 by QuietSoul]

i agree.
i believe aliens exist as much as a priest or nun believes that god does.
i have no one to talk to about my belief who wouldnt think im crazy.
i only have two UFO stories. one i share with my family, being that they saw it too, & one alone, not too long ago. maybe a month ago or less.
& the biggest thing i hate about this site are made up stories...hoaxes...
i take these threads seriously. thats why i signed up in the first place.
i came here to hear other ppls stories. REAL STORIES. & i want to be able to share mine, & not be labeled as crazy. or a fool.
when i read what you wrote...how you felt...a strong feeling of happiness came over me.
(if i knew you better, id kiss you. [you probably didnt want to hear that, but its the truth])
im on your side, 100%.
& no, its not too late...not for ME. sleep is for losers!!!

I know what you mean, QuietSoul. I only registered relatively recently but I've been reading the posts here for a long time. That Serpo incident kicked off something... I think it has to do with noobs who drag all sorts of stuff in here for it to be easily and quickly debunked and rejected. Some of it absolutely absurd. I don't even bother contributing theories that often, aside from a reply to a thread, because so much has been covered here. If I really want to know, I'll use the search feature. But a lot of these new guys just drag something from off the basement of the Internet and smear it on ATS because they don't know any better or just to stir the pot. Who knows.

I don't think it's any result of some sort of "plan". Just the ebb and flow of ATS, I'd say.

Good luck, you are always going to have people who believe what they "need" to believe to be true. And if lying and storytelling is the only weapon they have against serious people doing serious investigations yet coming to conclusions that "they"don't want to hear, then that is their weapon of choice.

Well, in my opinion when one have as hard evidence as one can, like a good photograph, everyone says its a blimp or a baloon of some sort. I mean, everyone can make a baloon that looks exactly like a UFO would, so I feel you just cant "win" a disgussion here unless you sit on some alien DNA or something like that.

I could care less about "winning" a discussion. I usually make my point and let the other person have the last word or two. It's a little like talk radio. Ninety nine percent of it is pure crap. When someone or something real comes along it gets ripped off by all those who are out to make a buck on a book. And then the rest of us, especially when we never saw what was real in the first place have to spend all that time and energy sorting through all the crap looking for the one percent that might be real. I've noticed my thinking quality has improved so much lately since the radio in the truck broke and my mind is so filled with the crap that it used to get filled with. I can actually think again.

Sure, but if someone showed me a picture of the space shuttle, I could deny it by saying it is a air-filled baloon with that shape, my point is that with photo evidence only it is impossible to "win"(in lack of a better word) a disgussion here. Anything can be faked.

I agree too Quiet soul, I am more of a reader of this forum , as I am interested in aliens and UFOs ,but wouldn't know enough off my own back to contribute much , however I have seen alot of threads along the lines of say for example "I have been abducted last night and for the last 300 nights " And you can't really just dive in and say this is just BS wheres your proof man? cause theres always others who would claim your not "denying ignorance"

Yes, QuietSoul,

There could be an influx of 'why this story SHOULD be true' due to stress in general life, boredom, whatever.

O/T - And BTW I WAS going to ask you the question the other time on chat but u weren't there when it was my turn

- Naz

Granted some people come on and post lies that push the BS meter off the scale, with some of the craziest, silly, bizarre unbelievable tales.

Others post equally crazy,silly, bizarre tales that may be genuine.

It's hard to tell the difference as the hoaxers may have a convincing writing style, while the truthful ones may be "articulately challenged"

QS, I don't see how the forums can be "cleaned up" with throwing the baby out with the bath water. Sorry about the lame cliche!!

I don't know if it is truely a concerted attack on ufology as just an exercise in creative writing and simple hoaxing ala "rope and board" crop circle formation.

[edit on 16-4-2006 by whaaa]

i agree 100%. I used to come to this forum and see serious discussion on ufos but now i usually just go past it because of these stories. I wouldn't mind these stories as much if it wasn't for some of the authors attitudes. Many of them have this "YOU MUST BELIEVE THIS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO PROOF" attitude and refuse to see it any other way. Worst is when their facts are just another persons story as well.

Originally posted by whaaa
It's hard to tell the difference as the hoaxers may have a convincing writing style, while the truthful ones may be "articulately challenged"

I think this is the key point.

But also, some posts give me the odd feeling that someone is purposefully writing to appear as if they are a child in school.

Anyways, I'm a newb too.

[edit on 16-4-2006 by Ectoterrestrial]

I have not been a member long so I cannot say whether the amount of story-telling has increased or not; however, I do think there is too much story telling. Currently, the unverifiable alien stories push UFO topics down to the bottom of the forum or onto the next page where, in all probability, participation will not occur again. It is also tiring to here requests, inside UFO topics, for "alien debris" when aliens weren't even mentioned. I think this forum should be split in two so aliens have their own forum and UFOs have their own forum.

Quiet Soul,

You're not alone.

UFO's exist and while some are "ours" a good majority of them are not.
Ancient paintings have flying disks.....

Let the debunkers debunk. Their ignorance must be ignored.

I skip right through the non-beleivers and dont read their posts. No amount of their rhetoric is going to sway me to think otherwise.

QuietSoul,

I too , have noticed a change in the UFOs and Aliens Forum.

I don't know if its a deliberate attack or if its deliberate neglect?

After the latest debauchle , it seems many of the usual suspects are AWOL.

Considering many of these members helped show that last debauchle to be a Hoax it seems strange that it also had the effect of running most of them off !!!

There is a difference between Debating a topic and discussing it.

The rules of debate run on "points" and the goal is to win. To have your argument and ideas be held up above that of your opponent.

A discussion is a free flow of ideas. Conflicts occur because in the forums text is final. Unlike a face to face convo where there is body language, expressions and free banter, interjection etc... in text, what you say stands until someone posts after you...it's not a continuous flow.

Things can and often are, misunderstood, poorly explained, lacking info or whatever...it can all get really ugly sometimes.

Not just in these forums but in all forums and textual conversations between people who do not "know" each other or their individual writing styles and attitudes.

I look forward to reading more of the site Hopefully the mods keep the ugliness to aminimum and some great discussions and idea sharing can occur. That's why I came here...it's moderated, sign up is required and it's not all one sided.

So far I've seen a good bit of balance in the postings and some good humour

That is all

110% Agreed.
The statement in my my signature pretty much covers it

I guess I picked a bad time to go into my life story. I know Serpo had alot of people edged for more hoaxes.

But, the sad truth is, just as there is no accountability in the UFO research community, there's not going to be a concerted effort here either. That is, unless everyone pulls together to rebuke the drivel, and make people accountable.

The UFO community and we here, should be like elephants...never forget. But how many times will that same researcher caught supporting hoaxed material, be welcomed back if they have a better story to tell?

It's so subjective as to who is willing to believe or disbelieve...whatever story or account. At what point are you falling into behavior that borders the TOS of the board in regard to respecting opinions?

since the existence of man seeing aliens figures/sightings there has been no real/captured proof so to speak. only what the mind see's is proof. of course i won't let anyone do a labotomy on me.
these beings/aliens #1 rule is to leave no trace or evidence and they do a well job of it only leaving evidence in the childrens eyes/minds. all of us on here have seen things that are way out of league to be created by our earthly kind. we can't prove it except to ourselves.
all of us have seen these things. it only takes 2 to be a witeness for a claim to be true.
how many people just in this thread have seen something or someone not of our kind? therefore beings not of earth and are smarter than us exist.

what do you think created Hitler?
or the children of Iraq given the mind to do 9/11?
to bring African as slaves to america?
huge hurrican in nawlins?
tons of snow on new years at your favorite resort?
the minds we have for all the tech we have?
(car to space shuttle in 100 years)
and the list goes on and on...

oh, and aliens live on Mars when there in our solar system.

they are everywhere and have mind control over you...
if one can relate to anothers story than you know it's truth.
i have no need to prove anything i see on a daily basis to someone. i know what i see, feel, hear, touch, and smell. proving it to someone changes nothing. everything will still be the same. after finding this forum i truly know they exist and why they are here. they love humans and can't find the human creator, so they live in the minds of children hoping to find Jesus... beleive it or not..