USINFO.STATE.GOV .. This site sure straightened ME out

Originally posted by godservant
Again, as a firefighter, we do NOT ask the building owner if this or that is ok. In fact, we OWN that building when we go to it. WE dicide what to do next.

Whoa, hold ya horses there. I never said anything to the contrary.
I know that firefighters do not need permission to do anything inside of a building especially if there is ANY danger as its dangerous enough as it is. I know that as soon as the fire commander says leave the building it means leave.

Though I would love to of heard that conversation between the firefighters and fire commander I imagine it goes something like this....

Fire commander talking to firefighters: "Uhh yeah we need to pull you lot out of building 7."

Firefighter: "ohh ok but I think you should let the lease holder know we're leaving."

Fire commander: "Yeah I guess we better (gets out mobile phone and speed dials Larry Silvertein) uhh Hello Mr Silverstein we need to pull out the firefighters from building 7......"

Also, again I say, "Pull It" is not anything we say.

I didn't know I said it was.

I live an hour from the city, and most of the firefighters I have talked to from NY in private (not public statements) do NOT believe the official story.

Its funny because I don't believe the official story either but then again I don't believe all of other conspiracy theories. Personally I believe it was setup with military precision and that certainly could not have been carried out by whom we are lead to believe.

So, no one wants to comment to the FACT that there were NO firefighters in WTC7 when they said to pull them out? Go figure....if it doesn't support your side, then ignore it.

Originally posted by Griff
Code,

Thanks for answering my proposition.

I don't understand. I scrolled up and read your proposition, you were asking for persons who believe the Official story to answer it, were you not? I am anything but one of those persons.

griff you watching that video?

video.google.com...

i feel that everyone should send this around because it was just so perfectly put together.

Originally posted by Code_Burger
I don't understand. I scrolled up and read your proposition, you were asking for persons who believe the Official story to answer it, were you not? I am anything but one of those persons.

I know but you still answered my proposition by putting up links that verified that no firefighters were in the building. So, yes you answered my proposition by proving the negative so to speak....well done.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
griff you watching that video?

Yeah, I watched it. Do you think I'm an official story believer? Just wondering why you want me to watch that.

not at all, i think its a good summary of everything that we are trying to get across. its perfectly put together. Thats why i wanted everyone to send it around. I wanted you to watch it because of how well it was put together.

oh, ok. To tell the truth, I've only seen bits and pieces of that particular movie. I'm waiting for my co-worker to leave so I can watch the whole thing with sound. We are very slow here right now....hence why I seem to be responding to every post so quickly. And then when I get home, I'd rather live my life than be on the internet all night. So, I will eventually watch it. I need to see Loose Change II also. There was a showing of it last Thursday here (DC) and one of the founders of scholars for 9/11 truth was here. Wish I would have been able to go to it, but I couldn't. I did ask one of my friends to put my name in to be a part of SF9/11T...so we'll see if they accept me. Sorry to be off topic....again.

yea loose change 2nd edition was such a great movie. i really suggest everyone to just send it around to everyone they know. the thing is people see it and say "theres nothing I can do about it" but the truth is that there is. Its being informed but more importantly spreading this information as far as you can. We deserve to hear EVERY side to the story, not just the side they want us to hear. Its our jobs, our duties, as americans to go out and pursue this information and pursue truth rather then be spoon fed whatever comes on TV.

Thats where we all come in...we can all do something. It may not be us saving the world, but its us taking a step toward what we should have been doing since the begining. Thats playing our part as americans, and spreading information, every side of the story. Being informed so we can make our own decisions, our freedom of choice.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by Code_Burger
I don't understand. I scrolled up and read your proposition, you were asking for persons who believe the Official story to answer it, were you not? I am anything but one of those persons.

I know but you still answered my proposition by putting up links that verified that no firefighters were in the building.

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying I was an Official story believer for a minute there.

As for the Fire-fighters, it seems the Government's messy web of Compartmentalisation has backfired on them there. FEMA say there weren't any Fire-fighters, so do people at NIST, yet this usinfo.state.gov site, and Larry Silverstein say that there were. I think SilverLarry slipped up, big time, and they are just trying to cover it up, whilst they pray that nobody notices the massive inconsistencies in their story. Or could it be they are intentionally doublespeaking and saying different things to confuse people and try and divide schools of thought?

I hear ya loud and clear grimreaper. The only problem is speaking to def ears usually doesn't work. What I mean is, I have 3 friends that won't even allow me to utter anything pertaining to 9/11 or they simply walk away from me. This isn't because I'm some crazy conspiracy theorist either...it's because they don't even want to think about it. I guess, the bar isn't the best place for those kind of conversations anyway.

sometimes it all depends on who its coming from. youve got to have a way with words. im an extremely strong speaker in person, so 95% of the time people get sucked into whatever im talkin about even though originally they didnt want to hear about it. some of them you cant even talk about it on the first time around, some people are harder to reach then others. Sometimes it not even about the issue, sometimes you gotta reach them beyond that. Until they hear you on that point, they arent interested in what you have to say. Once you make them care about what you are saying, they will actually listen to what your saying.

i still occassionally meet people who dont care about anything, and dont care if they live or die and dont care about anything at all. those people you wont be able to reach. If you encounter a person that cares about anything at all, even themselves, theres a way to reach them and get them to listen to you.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by godservant
Again, as a firefighter, we do NOT ask the building owner if this or that is ok. In fact, we OWN that building when we go to it. WE dicide what to do next.

Also, again I say, "Pull It" is not anything we say.

So as a firefighter, do you also demo buildings?
How many explosive experts do you have in your unit?

None, but who is saying that firefighters did the demo?

I do find it a bit odd that no firefighters were in the building when it collapsed. There was before it collapsed. Why were they called out when there was still some small fires left?

It is my thinking that one side of WTC7 was damaged. In what I have been taught about structures, the building SHOULD have fallen sideways - in the direction of the damaged side. That is how EVERY building fell aside from a demolition that I have ever seen.

I wish folks could just grasp that one piece of truth. Take the time to look at other building that collapsed for any reason other than a demolition.

I know people don't want to be wrong, especially in public. I used to think there was no way WTC7 was domolished, but I found I was wrong by looking at hundreds of pictures and videos of other buildings of all types that collapsed from all sorts of reasons.

I don't know if WTC1 & 2 were demoed, but I would bet on 7 for sure. With the evidence of 7, leaves me to think 1&2 COULD have as well.

Originally posted by godservant
None, but who is saying that firefighters did the demo?

We were talking about Silverstein no? He talked to the firefighters, is there any evidence there were demo people anywhere near the site?

I do find it a bit odd that no firefighters were in the building when it collapsed. There was before it collapsed. Why were they called out when there was still some small fires left?

There's no evidence of firefighters actively trying to put out the fires before it collapsed.
Also, after the twin towers collapsed that whole area was evacuated. It's likely they couldn't get to it.

It is my thinking that one side of WTC7 was damaged. In what I have been taught about structures, the building SHOULD have fallen sideways - in the direction of the damaged side. That is how EVERY building fell aside from a demolition that I have ever seen.

Every building such as what? I challange you to name one building that fell like that. The only buildings I have seen fall over sideways were in earthquakes. Because of the weight, size, and structure of the building, once the damaged south side started to collapse there was no way the rest of the building would have been able to stand.

I don't know if WTC1 & 2 were demoed, but I would bet on 7 for sure. With the evidence of 7, leaves me to think 1&2 COULD have as well.

What evidence? Not one person here has provided any credible evidence that WTC 7 was CDed. Not one. And questions are being ignored.
How did it fall without explosives? If it did have explosives, how did those explosives survive all the damage and the fires? How did the explosives go unnoticed?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
There's no evidence of firefighters actively trying to put out the fires before it collapsed.
Also, after the twin towers collapsed that whole area was evacuated. It's likely they couldn't get to it.

So, you're agreeing that there were no firefighters for Silverstein to "pull"? What did he mean by "pull it" then? And no, he didn't tell the firechief to "pull it" just like the firechief didn't ask him if it was ok to "pull" the firefighters IMO. Remember in the quote it states "I got a call from...um the firechief" something like that. Usually when people say um before something, that means they are thinking at the time. Why would Silverstein have to think when saying the firechief?

The only buildings I have seen fall over sideways were in earthquakes. Because of the weight, size, and structure of the building, once the damaged south side started to collapse there was no way the rest of the building would have been able to stand.

The only buildings I have seen that had even half of the building fall still stood. Example WTC6, the Merrah Building (sp?) etc.

What evidence? Not one person here has provided any credible evidence that WTC 7 was CDed. Not one. And questions are being ignored.
How did it fall without explosives? If it did have explosives, how did those explosives survive all the damage and the fires? How did the explosives go unnoticed?

Any credible evidence has been carted away, so you or anyone else would be hard pressed to find it. As far as your other questions, all we can do is speculate so, you're not going to get your answers unless a government agent comes forth and says exactly how they did it.

My view is.

I dont believe the firefighting chief would consult Larry on when to pull the firefighters out. Also he said the reason for this supposed decision was that there was a terrible loss of life, well that has nothing to do with the firefighting.

Also as its been pointed out there was no firefighting in the building.
I havent got a clue what Silverstein is on about but i suspect he is lying about the whole thing.

The way 7 fell, it looks to be a demolition



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For anyone who is interested, I found some interesting sites on this topic.

PM: Debunking The 9/11 Myths - Mar. 2005 Cover Story

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Nyctohylophobia

This is for all you believers.

911myths.com

i didnt see anything about the outward explosions and flashes inside the building really.
www.loosechange911.com...
scroll down to the part where it says "still think that jet fuel brought down the towers?" its about 3/4 down the page. click the watch a clip part under the bluish picture.

how can we explain that?

Well look at this thread just quietly disappearing. There is to be no explanation from either HowardRoark, or Agent Smith, as to why they were both caught lying then? I thought as much. So which is it, were there Fire-fighters in Building 7, or were there not Fire-fighters in Building 7? You can't have it both ways.

Good Afternoon.

Originally posted by Griff
Can you link to where people say the firefighters demoed the building? Answering the rest of your post would only be speculation on my part so I think I'll pass.

Actually, Silverstein said that.
"I remember getting a call from the, uh, Fire Department Commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it, and they made that decision, to pull..."

So if "pull it" meant demo, then Silverstein is saying that the Fire Department made that decision. Which I suppose is different than actually doing the demo, but still...

The FD ordering a demo makes no sense. Which is exactly what Silverstein says.

Which leads me to wonder, WHY exactly did Silverstein admit to WTC7 being demoed in a PBS special? (if that's what he actually meant)


*edited to clarify

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