Is the Veri chip the mark of the Beast? (Digital angel)

What are your views on the veri chip and has anyone got any more info on this subject cross refrence with Biblical texts

www.mercola.com...

The Mark of the Beast is going to be an overt decision to reject God and Christ. It's possible that such technology could be used as the Mark, but it's not going to be snuck into you in the dark of night. From what I understand, it will, essentially, be a reverse baptism. Do you follow the Anti-Christ as your God? Good, here's your Mark to buy and sell.

Much like in Rome shortly after Christ's death, when people would have to honor the emperor as a deity or face jail or even death (that was Rome's problem with Christianity -- Christians would honor God and God alone), so, too, will it be with the Mark.

Just a bit of useless info - the chief technologist at noblestar (one of the companies who are developing RFID) was a friend of mine at school, haha.

He did have a liking for Stephen King and James Herbert novels....

I won't comment on the mark of the beast thingy, but I don't like the idea of being tagged. I don't even like the idea of ID cards we will have in the UK soon.

[edit on 12-4-2006 by melatonin]

Well, Nice to see such a question.

Take a good look at what the following offers.

www.conspiracyplanet.com...

I use this to stress the point.

"Kevin H. McLaughlin, VeriChip Corporation's CEO said of the event that "High-profile regional leaders are accepting the VeriChip, representing an excellent example of our approach to gaining adoption of the technology."

The new and aggressive indoctrination program - Thought and Opinion Leaders to Play Key Role in Adoption of VeriChip - is intended to create widespread acceptance and exponential adaptation of the company's FDA-cleared, human-implantable RFID tag."

This is an event occuring NOW. Not some futuristic scheme. It is in the realm of today, and something to be concerned with.

But review this Link. The Question first asked about is addressed. Many other concerns are also raised and noted as well.

As for our Friend (Melatonin) in the U.K., his comments are well founded.

The Biometrics that are incorperated within his next ID Card will tag and trace him where ever he goes. The EU along with many other countries, including Mexico, the U.S. and Canada, must have a system of Data that is able to communicate.

Prior to the events that shook the U.K. on 7/7/7, the agreement was based upon a system refered to as SIS. There is also another system being readied which will be SIS II.

Have a glance at the following links. Lots of uses. Quite elaborate.

www.hri.org...
(This First Link is a Document and full of fun details)

europa.eu.int...
(This Second is a Web page with plenty to review)

WikiPedia have a page as well, which offers links to various noted parties. It is very direct.

en.wikipedia.org...

The most alarming thing is the details required and the type of info being presented. This is from the Wiki Site covering the details needed to be addressed. (Out of the sites above, this was formatted the best.)

"In the SIS, information is stored according to the legislation of each country. There is more than fifteen million entries, containing following personal information:

Name and first name, the alias possible ones being recorded separately;
Possible objective and permanent physical characteristics;
First letter of the second first name;
Date and birthplace;
Sex;
Nationality;
If the person in question was armed;
If the person in question was violent;
Reason of the record;
Action to be taken.

As well as:

Weapons lost, stolen or diverted;
Delivered identity documents lost, stolen or diverted;
Lost, stolen or diverted blank identity documents;
Lost, stolen or diverted motor vehicles;
Bank notes lost, stolen or diverted;

A second technical version of the system is in preparation (SIS II), in order to include new types of data and to integrate the new Member States of the Union. The system would be opened with a greater number of institutions, for example the legal authorities, Europol and the security services. Personal data could be read on one personal assistant (This is a futuristic vision, but this type of implementation remains under responsibility and technical possibilities of each Member State) in all Europe, by the police force and the customs during the identity checks. Some would like to benefit from these technical changes to turn this system into an investigation system, but a great number of Member States want this system to remain a system of police checks, leaving to Europol this role of investigation."

Now, there maybe some question of what the end result will become.

Passports with Biometrics?
National I.D. Cards?
Digital Angels?

Passports can be Duplicated and/or Stolen. The System should be able to detect this, but there is still is a chance of missuse.

Similiar problems can arise with the National I.D. Card.

But it is difficult to steal a Verichip, and the Global Tracking System would be difficult for Forged or Fraudulent details to be placed into, unless you worked for the Corperation putting in this Data.

So in regards to traveling, you can be approved and issued a Bio Metric Card, Passport or Verichip type device. It will retain a Iris Scan, or Prints, and you can be fast tracked for entry through customs at any Airport or Port or border crossing, which has the Recognition Systems in Place. I believe Heathow and JFK have Iris Scanners currently being assessed with some excellent results. Get off the Flight, Grab your bags, and then walk thru and out the door, after your stop at the scanner.

And this is where this gets strange. Verichip, have Global Tracking abilities. This is also being seen to a lesser level with the Bio Metric Passports or ID Cards.

Here, you get off the Flight, or approach the border, and Customs will know you are standing in line long before you even get to the counter. If you "COULD" be a problem, area scanners would have "Picked You Up" and issued alerts to the appropriate personel or agencies. By the time you get to the Customs Officer, two or three Security Personel will be ready to escort to wherever you need to go.

Stolen Biometrics which have been reported would also flag.
People under conditions of Bail would also flag.
Suspected terrorists or persons of interest would also flag.

And this is standing some 30 feet from the counter in a line.

And then there is the otherside, where you are a traveler, and everytime you pass a area scan, you are detailed in the Data bank. And what if the Places that these Area Scanners are outside of of other places. Beep, oh Shane is going into the Bank, or the Bus Depot, or Consulate.

With the Verichip aspect, every place you visit would be trackable.

I would also suggest reviewing these links.

www.verichipcorp.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.digitalangelcorp.com...

I figure this is enough for now and should give you all some reading.

And questions for you Melatonin.

What do you find is taking place at your end, in respects to these chips? Is it to the point individuals are using these for any proposes yet? I saw on a Noblestar PDF, (pg 66 / Funny enough just missing the last 6) the Xray of where it goes, and concerns as to why it would be needed, but are these uses being presented to the Public in the U.K. or Europa as of yet? Page 76 also covers their selling job for ID Cards.

www.noblestar.com...

And the Reference for this article was not as direct as it sounded. They are targeting the Public Sector for marketing this in every possible manner. Not Tagging the Public alone, although that is covered in here as noted.

Ciao

Well for some reason, I posted the same message twice, and I have not yet figured out how to Delete the Post completely. Sorry for wasting space for nothing.

So, since there is not yet a posting for the Original Question, I will offer the following.

All of these references are in respects to a "MARK", and found, as noted within Revelations

Revelation 13:16-18
Revelation 14:9
Revelation 14:11
Revelation 15:2
Revelation 16:2
Revelation 19:20
Revelation 20:4

If you have a Bible, you should do fine locating these.

If not, Revelations is the last book of the Bible, and here's the Best Bible you can get.

www.jesus-is-lord.com...

If you do use this, you should also aquire a Strong's Concordance, since it is a research tool made specifically for the KJV, and documents the Chaldean, and in this case, the Greek against the words used throughout the 1611 King Jame Version of the Bible. It gives the exact Greek word utilized in the scripture, and offers a definition, along with Primes, and Origins. You can not understand something if you do not know what it meant.

Also, for your review, try to read the "KJV Translators to the Reader" Page, which has a link from the Main Chapter Page above the Chapters. It was written for your sake, as a reader.

Ciao

P.S. The Doctor's website may have made an error, by suggesting this will be force on the population by Satan. The Global Events occuring today will have people begging to have these things. Just like Applied Digital suggested in that Link you offered. Those who do not, may need one to Buy and Sell as noted, but a visual of Satan twisting one's arm to accept one under duress maybe a little to extreme. Afterall, the population of this planet is madeup basically of Sheep, and they just follow the other sheep.

[edit on 12-4-2006 by Shane]

Originally posted by Shane
And questions for you Melatonin.

What do you find is taking place at your end, in respects to these chips? Is it to the point individuals are using these for any proposes yet? I saw on a Noblestar PDF, (pg 66 / Funny enough just missing the last 6) the Xray of where it goes, and concerns as to why it would be needed, but are these uses being presented to the Public in the U.K. or Europa as of yet? Page 76 also covers their selling job for ID Cards.

www.noblestar.com...

And the Reference for this article was not as direct as it sounded. They are targeting the Public Sector for marketing this in every possible manner. Not Tagging the Public alone, although that is covered in here as noted.

Ciao

It really does just seem to be obvious at the retail end. There have been one or two demonstrations outside a particular supermarket (Tesco), but it's not really as big an issue as it should be - they have been sneaking it into stores. Tesco's are notorious for their recording and use of customer information anyway (via store cards etc).

I really don't like the idea of being tagged in any way. Be it just observing what you are buying, tracking movement around a shop, and having the ability to track you when you leave the shop. Noblestar even talk of automatic charging of credit cards etc. It is just the first step in the UK, I feel.

www.boycotttesco.com...

If they want to use it within the company (for stock etc), then fine. But keep it out of the public arena. I think they are even thinking of tagging employees in some companies. I really hope they are not thinking about RFID for ID cards, that really would bother me.

Maybe I'm just a bit of a luddite, haha

Anyway, cheers for all that info, I'll trawl through it later


[edit on 13-4-2006 by melatonin]

Good Evening Melatonin

Thanks for the reply.

Your Tesco notes, are simliar here, and a concern for some as well.

But your Noblestar is utilizing RFID for ID Cards, and Chips as well, for medical suggested purposes. You know. Making sure an Unconsious Person is not given the wrong Medications. Or the Young Child can be found swiftly, if abducted. Or the Elderly who may wander from the Home and become lost.

And it also has the noted Cashless application as mentioned in the first link although I personally find it hard to believe US parents would chip their kids so they could buy Lunch just yet.

Ciao

Shane

Ok, here's my problem with this: As a non-Christian how should one deal with this?
From a personal perspective, I don't like the idea of being tagged. From a non-Christian perspective, if I need that tag to buy food for my family I'll do it.
What I'm trying to get at is, does this prove Revelation (and therfeore the Bible) is authentic? Should I therefore convert?
But then, what if I am not Christian but don't accept the mark? Am I still doomed?
To me it stinks either way.

Originally posted by passenger
But then, what if I am not Christian but don't accept the mark? Am I still doomed?

I don't know. I think you still get hunted down and killed by the Anti christs followers, but other than that, no idea. You might get less harsh judgement than the Beasts followers, but I don't really know.