Rice tells diplomats to prepare for nuclear war

wow, just... wow. that hatred right there is the reason the world is the way it is. anyways, if iran does get a nuke somehow and we dont do something about it, i can GUARANTEE israel will annihilate them.

Originally posted by CSRules

3) If they have the missle technology...they may be able to hit Europe. I say who cares. The ungrateful S.O.B.'s deserve it. Then they will come running to us to pull their asses out of the fire, like we did in the last 2 World Wars. If not for the U.S. they'd all be speaking German right now. (We didn't do it alone, countries like Australia...who still believe in right and wrong were there to help also) But these Socialist Weeneies, haven't learned a thing from history about appeasing.

The US did not join WW1 until 1917, and by then Germany was on it's last legs.

The US did not join WW2 proper until 1942, three years after the Nazis began invading places.

It was actually the USSR who could be singled out as saving Europe's arses.

What the Yanks did for it's sacrifices and battles alongside the allies was a sideshow in comparison to what the Soviets did.

In WW2, the allies were not just the US and Australia, but Britain, USSR, Free French, Free Polish, Free Dutch, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Morrocans, Indians, Pakistanis, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, Fiji and more and then the Americans in 1942.

You talk of appeasement, well if it was not for Roosevelt appeasing Stalin, or as Roosevelt fondly called him, "Uncle Joe", Europe would not have been partitioned East and West like it was.

Churchill warned Roosevelt about Stalin, but Roosevelt favoured good old "Uncle Joe" Stalin over Churchill.

Roosevelt on that subject was America's Neville Chamberlain.

So, what was that about appeasing again?

You say don't call you crazy for your idea of Iran, well sorry, there's no other word.

You have alot to learn about Europe if you think it is Socialist.

You have alot to learn full stop.





[edit on 21-4-2006 by Regensturm]

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Wow, thats really not necessary zenlover28.

Oh and what he said was, Nygdan? I'm sorry, but i'm not very tolerant of people suggesting we blow innocent people off the planet. But, i'll shut up now.

Wow, I'm an idiot. Apologies zenlover, I read your post too quickly and out of context, didn't notice the one you were responding to. *smacks forehead*

CSRules is the one that is way out of line here.

if its true, all i can say is

Originally posted by zenlover28
I've been trying to think of a tactful way that I can respond to the 'ignorance' of the last two posts. But, i'm just going to smile and inform you of how the majority of those people do not deserve to be blown off of the face of the Earth and for you to say such a thing is truly disturbing and all it does it put you on the 'terrorists' level....hmmm I don't even know if I could give you that much credit or not.

[Mod Edit: Zenlover, please check your U2U's. Thanks.

- Jak]

[edit on 21/4/06 by JAK]

IF the Iranian people are so innocent, then why don't they revolt? Could it be that a majority of them believe their crazy President. If this Lunatic attacks Isreal, then the US will go after him, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. Well this policy may not be right, it is what it is.

Funny, for all the posts and thoughts of Isreal, controling the US. I'd have thought, you all would have been happy to have the Iranians, wipe them off the face of the earth. Then all you appeasers could go in, and win the day.

I hope the do attack Isreal, the they (even without the US) will blow Iran off the face of the EARTH. And if the US is lucky, they will do it, so that their oil is available to us!!!

WHAT DON'T YOU POEPLE UNDERSTAND!!! Oil is the greatest threat to our National Security at the moment. If we do not have it, WE ARE F*CKED! For a long time I did not understand this. Until one day, My Father said..:Except for being attacked, the greatest threat of National Security is, OIL"!!

Short of an attack on our soil, this is our greatest national security point. Without oil, we are screwed! Instead of just taking over the oil fields, we have tried to introduce Democracy to Iraq, and hopefully the rest of the Middle East. BUt when push comes to shove, don't think we won't be willing to take it by force!!

And who is to blame!... The GOD D*MN tree huggers, the environmentalists, and most importantly the LIBERALS. For the past 30 years, they have fought our attempts to drill for oil or gas. They have fought our attempts to build new refineries. And they have made it so, that MANY seperate blends of gasoline are required during the summer seasons. What has this done? Nothing short of requiring the US to depend on FORIEGN OIL. ...

My first thought is to have these people tried and executed for treason! But given time to think. 30 years ago,, well who knows what would have happened?!?!

But in todays day and age, do you honestly think that DOMESTIC Oil and Gas produvtion can't be done without safety measures. To say No,, Says we haven't learned anything in 30 years. I say it can be done!...with minimal environmental imact. Why not make us, energy independent from the Middle East?? WELL IT IS SIMPLE. THE LIBERALS IN THIS COUNTRY, CAN NOT FATHOM THAT "WE" ARE RIGHT! Insteas of bringing the rest of the world up to our standards, they wish to bring US down to theirs!!

Will exploring all of the US's energy, amke us Independent, without NEW sources? NO! But it would give us a lot of leway to negotiate on the price!! (But guess what, LIBERALS want to take us down.)

? Why do we not procecute these people as TRAITORS to our country? It because our Representatives in the House, AND MORE IMPRTANLY IN THE SENATE, wish to pander too the lowest comon denominator,, to keep their jobs.

Originally posted by Regensturm
The US did not join WW1 until 1917, and by then Germany was on it's last legs.

So then, England and France did not need the U.S. over there, correct?

The US did not join WW2 proper until 1942, three years after the Nazis began invading places.

But Lend Lease sure helped out before and after the U.S. joined, huh?

It was actually the USSR who could be singled out as saving Europe's arses.

As you have so eloquently pointed out, it was an ALLIED effort, but ask the Russians how much Lend Lease helped them out till they got their legs back, k?

What the Yanks did for it's sacrifices and battles alongside the allies was a sideshow in comparison to what the Soviets did.

Not according to my Russian ex-History professor.
The history classes you have had were again? What history book you been reading, anyhow?
The Russian may have suffered the most casualites of all the ALLIES but that in no way implies that the Soviets alone beat Germany. Lend Lease in your history books?

In WW2, the allies were not just the US and Australia, but Britain, USSR, Free French, Free Polish, Free Dutch, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Morrocans, Indians, Pakistanis, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, Fiji and more and then the Americans in 1942.

But according to your interpretations above, while ignoring the vital importance of Lend Lease, the Soviets singlehandedly beat back the German onslaught.

You talk of appeasement, well if it was not for Roosevelt appeasing Stalin, or as Roosevelt fondly called him, "Uncle Joe", Europe would not have been partitioned East and West like it was.

Selective memory? Hello?! If the UK and France would have acted sooner, instead of listening to the APPEASER Chamberlain, you would not have need the US in the first place. And to point out Roosevelt's alleged "appeasement" is like seriously ignoring Joseph Stalin's "appeasement" of Hitler when he secretly agreed to ally with him and Germany in dividing Poland. Furthermore, the partition of East and West was caused by a number of things, including Stalin getting pissed with Truman over the US ending Lend Lease with the Soviets, the atomic bomb issue, etc.

Churchill warned Roosevelt about Stalin, but Roosevelt favoured good old "Uncle Joe" Stalin over Churchill.

Likewise, Roosevelt warned Chamberlain et. al. that appeasing Germany and Hitler would cost dearly. Just as Roosevelt warned Stalin of the impending 1941 German Operation Barbarossa, to no avail.

Roosevelt on that subject was America's Neville Chamberlain.

Hardly, but if he was, amazing how he trumped Stalin at those wartime conferences on a number of occassions, huh?

So, what was that about appeasing again?

Its a standard operating procedure in European affairs, maybe, applicable up to today? Moreover, the EU spent nearly two years talking with Iran over their nuclear program before the Iranians kicked them to the curb. Chamberlain, et. al. spent how long 'talking' with Hitler before he routinely kicked him, et. al. to the curb?

You have alot to learn about Europe if you think it is Socialist.

France, among other countries, sure love those socialist type social and labor programs though, eh?

You have alot to learn full stop.

Can the same likewise be said of you?





seekerof

[edit on 2-5-2006 by Seekerof]

I think the OP is likely, whatever their intetions may be, mixing some fact with fiction. There have been reports that one scenario the Pentagon, especially the Air Force, has recommended, would involve using bunker buster bumbs that use a new type of warhead, that if I recall correctly uses Uranium, that could pentrate the deep underground bunkers supposedly used by the Iranians to conceal their supposed nucelar weapons program. So maybe this is where the idea of using nuclear weapons has orignated.


However has any one else read the recent reports of the military wanting to test a new huge conventional bunker busting bomb at the military bomb ranges in the desert outside Las Vegas? When the locals found out the explosion would lead to a large mushroom cloud that would cover part of the city they successfully protested to convice the Pentagon to go else where. The Pentagon has said it will cancel the test. But a few months ago there was a report of a large unexplained seismic activity orignating from a military test range out in the pacific ocean. Despite Pentagon denials of any weapons test, My guess is they tested the new conventional bomb there. Basicially this would be the most powerful conventional bomb in the US arsenal and will likely be used if Iran is attacked. But it is not a nuclear weapon.

I could tell this was spam about a quarter way through it.

What this e-mail is, is an attempt to create panic. Essentially it is done so that those who read it think something along the lines of "Those crazy bastards in the Whitehouse, how could they? I don't support them any more"

It's pretty straightforward behind the scenes propeganda. Not very well done, so I'd have to say it was made by someone who is just starting out at this.
Possibly for their own beliefs... I sure hope they werent paid for that one.

I don't like the current administration at all. But I'm not going around creating propeganda... or at least, it's done well enough that you don't know I am.


As for squabbling over ancient history.

USA : Stop saying things like "We saved your asses" that was propeganda, and it simply isnt true. You wouldnt want the french repeatedly reminding you that they "saved your ass" too.

WORLD : Stop responding to Americans when they say this. You hear it every day from them, by now you should be doing as we all do, just ignore them, as you would do with any annoyance, they shut up eventually.

[edit on 25-2-2007 by johnsky]

As if another nuke is actually going to be used lol. I'm still not convinced anything that drastic will ever happen again.