JFK - Zapruder Film Stablized

In regards Cooper, the facts are this: he was a pioneer in this field, he worked in the field, he brought forward major discoveries in the field, he was trusted in the field as people sent him info. His greatest insight in this case is that he linked it to the military industrial complex which is the suspected secret government and the only group that could have acted as agent for all interested groups in this issue. I still find it interesting that Castro after all these years has existed to thumb his nose at Washington despite the Cuban missile crisis as just an example of the brokering that went on behind the scenes in this tragedy.

Good point man. Despite the fact how has Cooper been judged as liar and hoaxer his information seams to match with other conspiracy theorist guys and at this point I don't give a damn what people say about him. Is a fact that he got killed in strange circumstances ... Anyways what I want to know is about these 200 witness that Cooper mentioned in his lectures. All these people died within 2 years from Kennedy's assasination. Is any truth in this claim?

Anyone here ever see that show on the History Channel concerning the JFK assassination? They showed Oswald's Marine Corps marksmanship records, in the 200 and 400 yard exercises he consistently scored a total of 48 and 49 points respectively, out of a possible 50 points. He was a nice shot and could have easily in my opinion shot JFK, and he had ample time to get off all three shots. Personally I don't buy into any of these conspiracy theories or in the whole grassy knoll shooter.

To boost the grassy knoll theory people I know point to the fact that he is leaning forwards and when he gets shot it the head he falls backwards instead of forward. Now this may look unnatural but consider this. The car is moving at speed and when his body goes limp the momentum of the car pushes his body back instead of forwards, you feel this effect every time you are in car that's accelerating.

Originally posted by WestPoint23

To boost the grassy knoll theory people I know point to the fact that he is leaning forwards and when he gets shot it the head he falls backwards instead of forward. Now this may look unnatural but consider this. The car is moving at speed and when his body goes limp the momentum of the car pushes his body back instead of forwards, you feel this effect every time you are in car that's accelerating.

The car slowed and nearly stopped, so according to what you just said he should of flipped over into the front seat. I'm exaggerating, but you know what I mean, what was left of his head would of hit the front seat.

Also, you should read witness reports of Oswald's "marksmanship", the government could of and most probably did fabricate his scores.

All of his military buddies said he couldn't shoot for beans.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
In terms of credibility then why do you contradict yourself in your post... one minute you feel sorry for Jackie that she was there and the next minute you suggest she was in on it and actually propped JFK up for the kill shot. So which is it is she is a good guy or is she shilling for the brotherhood?

I didn't say I was sorry for Jackie, that was in the post I replyed to. I really don't think Jackie was involved, I just threw that in, to show that conspiracy theories are dime a dozen.




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[edit on 4/13/2006 by Majic]

Originally posted by WestPoint23
He was a nice shot and could have easily in my opinion shot JFK, and he had ample time to get off all three shots.

The car is moving at speed and when his body goes limp the momentum of the car pushes his body back instead of forwards, you feel this effect every time you are in car that's accelerating.

As much of a conspiracy nut as I am, I am recently leaning toward Westy's points here. I don't believe Oswald was "maggie's drawers". I think he was hard, and definately a CIA tool. Now was he an MKultra asset? That may never be known. Also, the point about acceleration makes sense because if the driver is accelerating, a backward-tilt of the head seems reasonable, particularly for a subject that has been shot in the throat.

Westy, what is your take on Oswald's reaction to the news of Kennedy's death? Why did he not act like the world's most successful assassin, which he was? This is the major sticking point for me. When the press asks him, "Are you aware you are being charged in the death of President Kennedy?" literally the guy's face just drops. You can see it in his face. He is shocked to hear it, which suggests he commited the murder under hypnotic suggestion IMO.

Also his comments about "wanting someone to come forward and defend me" ...WTF? He just killed the prez and he wants someone to come and defend him? To say this on camera, he must have thought there was a group powerful enough to step forward. Why would he think that?

No, I think his mind was scrambled. It is possible his trip to Russia and all that was CIA backgrounding, and that he was actually a patriotic young man who was brainwashed. IMO, his behavior after the shooting is not that of an assassin who's just succeeded in the greatest killing ever.

But anyway, when I look at Oswald, I see a lean mofo. Also, the cops who arrested him said he put up the fight of his life. If a bunch of pissed off Dallas cops said this guy was fighting like a bear, well you can believe it's true. Where does a guy learn to fight like that? Maybe he just learned it the army? Hmm.

Maybe because he wasn't anywhere near the scene of the crime? Unlike the three or four guys who had rifles at the scene and were arrested? Where the police wasn't really escorting them, but rather walking with them, and all of them were smiling and laughing?

Oh gee I wonder.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
As much of a conspiracy nut as I am, I am recently leaning toward Westy's points here. I don't believe Oswald was "maggie's drawers". I think he was hard, and definately a CIA tool. Now was he an MKultra asset? That may never be known. Also, the point about acceleration makes sense because if the driver is accelerating, a backward-tilt of the head seems reasonable, particularly for a subject that has been shot in the throat.

He doesn't start accelerating till about 5 seconds after this, when the second shot is meant to have hit. If you watch the video, the car is hardly going more than a walking pace through most of the movie. Actually, the only time it does speed up is well after the 7+ shots have been fired [road, car, piller, etc].

There are too many coincedences in this event, people going directly against training as an example to make this out to be a freak event. It'd be possible but leaving the windows open, car not speeding off after the first shot, no security on the back of the vehical. So on and so fourth.

Westy, what is your take on Oswald's reaction to the news of Kennedy's death? Why did he not act like the world's most successful assassin, which he was? This is the major sticking point for me. When the press asks him, "Are you aware you are being charged in the death of President Kennedy?" literally the guy's face just drops. You can see it in his face. He is shocked to hear it, which suggests he commited the murder under hypnotic suggestion IMO.

Well, there is a little know fact that is mostly forgotten due to the importance and active debate surrounding JFK’s assassination. However in my opinion its just as important. Its the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit of the Dallas Police Department by Lee Harvey Oswald.

At about 12:40 pm (CST), Oswald boarded a city bus by pounding on the door in the middle of a block, but when heavy traffic had slowed the bus to a halt he requested a bus transfer from the driver. He took a taxicab a few blocks beyond his rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley Ave. then walked back there to retrieve his revolver and beige jacket at about 1:00 pm and moments later left the house. He lingered briefly at a bus stop across the street from his rooming house, then began walking. His ultimate destination is unknown but by the time he was stopped he had walked almost a mile (1.6 km) and was only four blocks away from a 1:40 pm city bus which could have connected him with a Greyhound bus headed south for Mexico.

Officer J. D. Tippit had very likely heard the general description of the alleged shooter (based on the statement of witness Howard Brennan who had seen Oswald in the window of the Depository from across the street) which was broadcast over the police radio at 12:45 pm. Thirty minutes later Tippit encountered Oswald near the corner of Patton Avenue and 10th Street and pulled up to talk to him through his patrol car window. Tippit then got out of his car and Oswald fired at the police officer with his .38 calibre revolver. Four of the shots hit Tippit, killing him instantly in view of several witnesses. [28] Oswald reloaded his revolver as he walked away, throwing the empty shell casings into some bushes. At least a dozen people either witnessed the shooting or identified Oswald as fleeing the scene. A cab driver hiding behind his taxi heard Oswald mutter "poor dumb cop" or "poor damn cop" as he walked by. Oswald then broke into a run, still holding the pistol in his hand. Moments later, Oswald dropped his jacket in a parking lot. Officer Tippit's service revolver was found under his body, out of its holster.

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Now why would Oswald feel the need to kill this officer if he had been hypnotized when he shot JFK? Oswald killing Officer Tippit is proof to me that Oswald was a killer and that he was trying to flee the scene. I believe his responses to the questions were calculated because he had been thinking about a legal defense which is evident by his repeated requests for a legal defender.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Now why would Oswald feel the need to kill this officer if he had been hypnotized when he shot JFK? Oswald killing Officer Tippit is proof to me that Oswald was a killer and that he was trying to flee the scene. I believe his responses to the questions were calculated because he had been thinking about a legal defense which is evident by his repeated requests for a legal defender.

Good point. I am also swayed by the death of Tippet because Oswald was thinking "flee at all costs" which certainly indicates guilt on his part. Why was he so smart as to get the job, plan the murder, and then give no thought to his escape route?

But then, why would he A: photograph himself with the rifle? B: Purchase the rifle by mail (could've bought it anywhere in Texas without paper trail), and C: Leave the evidence (rifle) behind with prints on it?

It's unforgivably stupid.

Originally posted by WestPoint23

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Now why would Oswald feel the need to kill this officer if he had been hypnotized when he shot JFK? Oswald killing Officer Tippit is proof to me that Oswald was a killer and that he was trying to flee the scene. I believe his responses to the questions were calculated because he had been thinking about a legal defense which is evident by his repeated requests for a legal defender.

Because he didn't kill the officer! Isn't it so obvious? How can he rush from the depository, onto a bus, off a bus, into a taxi, get all his stuff together, walk around town and just happen to encounter a cop, all after murdering the president? This seems so friggin' impractical, illogical, and just idiotic to even consider that it makes me angry.

Did you even read the link? It offers time tables so you can follow his movements after he shot JFK at 12:30. What's illogical is your denial of eyewitness reports, and forensic and ballistic analyses. Also, read the link and look up Oswald's past history, everyone is so focused on those few seconds of the assassination when the real important thing is the events that led up to the assassination.

When one claims that all the presented and documented facts are cover-ups then any discussion is pretty much over, from then on it becomes a futile attempt.

One more thing, I’m no genius but I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that the chances of encountering an officer after a manhunt for the assassin was launched was pretty high.

[edit on 13-4-2006 by WestPoint23]

Well, there is a little know fact that is mostly forgotten due to the importance and active debate surrounding JFK’s assassination. However in my opinion its just as important. Its the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit of the Dallas Police Department by Lee Harvey Oswald

I have to agree with VINCI on this one. There is no way Oswald shot Tippet. No way. Tippet was killed exactly as oswald was killed. Tippet I am sure was involved in the conspiracy...perhaps was even one of the shooters and when he was of no more use, he was killed. Who knows, it could even have been Ruby that killed Tippet the same way he killed Oswald.

Or they gave him a bunch of money and he lives in the Pitcairn Islands! The government's dump for useless agents. Why? Estimated population is 45! No media, no anything.

That's the most far-fetched sarcastic story I've ever even thought. However might be true

Is anyone else of the opinion that maybe Jackie took the shot that blew his head open???

Take a look at the stabilized film... It almost looks like she is saying something like "so, you'd rather Marilyn than me eh??" Bang!!!
You can even notice her arm tense as if to pull a trigger???
I see what looks like a shuffle to get rid of the gun afterwards.... Just me? Could it be the edit job they did to put the crowd scene with it???

Then a short time later she marries Onasis, who JFK didn't like very much... Sounds like a set up to me...

I could be wrong! Deja Vu

[edit on 4-1-2009 by AllTiedTogether]

Umm...do you all know anything about bullit trajectory and impact angles? How can it be the driver shooting the fatal shot when the driver is on Kennedy's left hand side, and the fatal shot impacts Kennedy in the right side of his temple????

Thats a bit impossible to happen. Dont forget also, that the sunlight is just at the right angle in that section of the footage to cause refelctions on the chrome frame of the windshield that is in motion and can cause a flash like reflection.

The stabalization is nice tho. It helps prove that there was definately more than one shooter, but it wasnt the driver. Your stabalized video shows that clearly, the fatal shot came from the front passenger side of that vehicle....ie the grassy nole.




Cheers!!!!

[edit on 4-1-2009 by RFBurns]

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Oh thats a real one if I ever heard of!! I put more credibility to government's coverup that Oswald was the shooter!!!

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Well that's what we've all been trained to see and say. If you look at the video several times... I mean like about 30mins or so and stop it and really look at it frame by frame... you can then see that she may have at least known this was happening... Of course some still believe that there was no conspiracy at all.... Ya! We're all crazy on here....

Jackie's decision to crawl towards the back of the limo was really bizarre. The usual story given is that she wanted to pick up a piece(s) of JFK's brain/skull that had landed back there after the fatal head shot.

The Z film shows no brain/skull fragments (or anything else), though she could have seen something, being so close, that's not evident on film.

It does help show the limo was still moving at a snail's pace, though.

there is no way the driver could of made that shot,for one he would have to have arms about 5 feet long,and Kennedy was hit by a high powered weapon,if that dude could of got a shot off he would have done damage to his wrist,the shot came from area of passenger window

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I believe the "piece of brain" was a cover story....
She ditches the gun and climbs out of the car to cause a distraction... all in the video evidence...