Official!! Iran announces nuclear ability.

Does anyone know how long it will take them to assemble a functioning power plant? I'll tell you what. You want them to give up any nuclear program whether it be military or otherwise? Fine. Ok U.S. time to get rid of all your nuclear weapons, close down your nuke plants, and suspend all unarium enrichment programs. Lead by example.

what should we do? i have a brilliant idea...lets treat them like a country, instead of some third world slum that we act like we own...wait no we dont deal with terrorists, we just kill them and sprout more....the cycle never ends and neither will the ignornace.

like malcolm x said "you cant talk peace with some one that speaks brute force, why goodnight, he'll break you in two. you have to learn to speak their langauge, only then can you speak to eachother. that way when they come up onto your doorstep to talk, there can then be some dialouge. then and only then will there start to be an understanding"

that is america, we speak in brute force. we were violent in korea we were violent in vietnam we were violent in iraq twice, yet when it comes to iran we want them to do it in peace. we speak in force, so they are learning our langauge so there can be an understanding between us then. because until them we dont listen to them, we hear them, but in no way have we ever listened. only till they are ready to destroy the world do the powerful and people who speak in force actually listen. thats how it seems to work.

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Originally posted by grimreaper797
what should we do? i have a brilliant idea...lets treat them like a country, instead of some third world slum that we act like we own...wait no we dont deal with terrorists, we just kill them and sprout more....the cycle never ends and neither will the ignornace.

They are and have been treated like a "country."
Accordingly, this is not simply the US saying to the contrary, but even the leaders of Britain, France and Germany, further including the IAEA, are increasingly irked at having caught Iran's leaders lying about their nuclear activities in the past.

Iran has no credibility on this issue of peaceful intent and/or purposes, none whatsoever.






seekerof

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how have we treated them like a country? like we treat other country? like we have treated israel like a country, or pakistan, or india? we havent. we arent pressuring them like we pressured iran. pakistan and india are one of the scenarios for a nuclear war, yet what are we doing about that? if israel gets nuked, they are nuking regardless of who did it.

face it we are singling them out. obviously there are reasons for it, and depending on what side of the fence you stand they may be just. but dont be surprised when you get the simple nature of action and reaction. you cant expect iran to not act when you act on them before known nuclear powers that have not been dealt with.

and why did you bring europe in? i dont care if they are more proactive, im stating what we should do, and thats treat them fairly at least. you watch every nation that got nuclear weapons and didnt care about nonproliferation, other then the newly entered korea, all these nations have say. if they talk people listen. when iran and country like talk, they arent listened to. so why do they want them, look at the other countries that did it, all coming up in the world.

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It wouldn't surprise me to wake up to the news that Israel have bombed Iran any day now. This announcement might have been the trigger they have been waiting for.

Anyone who thinks that Iran REALLY is enriching Uranium for peaceful power-generating purposes needs to lay off the pipe a bit.

Given the fact that Iran not only has loads of oil for power generation, plus the fact that Iran is very mountainous and has plenty of potential hydroelectric power, plus solar power in the south, I really doubt that they now want to explore nuclear power, which is dangerous and very difficult to manage.

The truth is, we simply do not know how far along on their enrichment they are. We only have what they claim. And I trust the Iranian government about as much as I trust the Bush administration. Iran's government is just as shady and twisted.

Which also makes me wonder why they are coming out now and flaunting their new power. Are they deliberately trying to goad the world into attack? Or just the U.S. and Israel? Is their religous nutjob government thinking they are going to start armegeddon or the great jihad?

The irony is, back in 95 when I was in Saudi, we were actually more concerned back then about Iran than we were Iraq, who we were offically watching. Iraq had been toasted and laid low enough, but the Iranians were beginning to behave strangely then.

And look at the situation we have today. Very amusing. The irony is not lost.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
how have we treated them like a country? like we treat other country?

Here is how:
Iran is recognized internationally as a state/nation by the US.
The US has diplomats in Iran.
The US government sends humanitarian aid when they have significant earthquakes.
Iran has a seat in the UN.

Iran, conclusively, is treated like a nation.
Your issue is with the pressure that is being placed upon them for going against the NPT?
Seems prudent, among international relations and the politics thereof.

face it we are singling them out.

"we" as in whom?
Just the US?
Might want to look beyond the US, as I pointed out previously.

obviously there are reasons for it, and depending on what side of the fence you stand they may be just. but dont be surprised when you get the simple nature of action and reaction. you cant expect iran to not act when you act on them before known nuclear powers that have not been dealt with.

Pakistan and India have been dealt with. What all "dealt" with implies may not be to your liking. Apparently so.

and why did you bring europe in?

If you do a search within ATS or on any search engine, you will see why.
It was Europe that took the lead in trying to deal with Iran's nuclear program. They failed and handed it off to the US and the UN.

i dont care if they are more proactive, im stating what we should do, and thats treat them fairly at least.

"We" are treating them fairly.
All Iran has to do is stop violating the NPT, which they are still in violation of.

you watch every nation that got nuclear weapons and didnt care about nonproliferation, other then the newly entered korea, all these nations have say. if they talk people listen. when iran and country like talk, they arent listened to. so why do they want them, look at the other countries that did it, all coming up in the world.

Maybe you need to take your observations before the UN and the nations who are opposed to Iran's continued pursuance of their nuclear program?






seekerof

prove they are violating it, can you? because i dont think you can since we have found NOTHING violating it. read it and you will see they havent. its our FEARS we are acting on, and we have these fear because the media constantly says "the government FEARS that iran is pursuing nuclear weapons" show me proof that they are doing it.

thats right we dont need proof, suspicion and cause is enough of a reason to say they are making nuclear weapons. in a murder case just because some one may say they want to kill some one or have reason to do so, doesnt mean they did it. it just makes them suspect. from there its on YOU to prove it, which we cant.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
prove they are violating it, can you?

You got to be kidding me?
ATS has a search feature---have you used it lately?
Used your favorite search engine?
From March 2006:

When the IAEA found in a report in November 2003 that Iran had concealed a programme to enrich uranium for 18 years, the US argued that it should be reported to the Security Council at once and that sanctions should be imposed on it.

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This is how countries voted in September 2005, when the IAEA agreed that Iran was in violation of the NPT and that it was a matter within the competence of the Security Council.
Key nations' stances on Iran

because i dont think you can since we have found NOTHING violating it. read it and you will see they havent. its our FEARS we are acting on, and we have these fear because the media constantly says "the government FEARS that iran is pursuing nuclear weapons" show me proof that they are doing it.

Yeah, okie dokie.
Hit the link above.

thats right we dont need proof, suspicion and cause is enough of a reason to say they are making nuclear weapons. in a murder case just because some one may say they want to kill some one or have reason to do so, doesnt mean they did it. it just makes them suspect. from there its on YOU to prove it, which we cant.

Keep talking.
The more you do, the more your assumptions are revealed, especially when confronted with facts.






seekerof

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THEY...ARE...LYING


This is a ruse to hold off an attack on them. If they claim now that they have nuclear capability then the world will fear to bomb them because maybe they have a nuke.

Funny how this just came out after the 30 day deadline. Iranian Poker. They've already fooled the European Union once before with delays...this one is obvious.

I'm with Cobra on the enrichment program, the uranium they are making isn't any good for a bomb. What i find far more worrying is the USA's response. Many people i know said that the US would never go into Iran after Iraq, but it looks more and more likely every day.

The Iranians need power for their citizens and nuclear power is deffinatly the way to go for that country. If the US and us there allie the UK try and hold them back then we are simply increasing the problems in the world. That country won't move on in the modern world without power and so by stopping them we are holding back the possibility that they could become a peaceful country.

I know that might seem like wishful thinking but if we hold them back they will not become peaceful. If they do start making bombs then we will know, and maybe then we should intervene, why bother them for making fuel rods?

Originally posted by Skadi_the_evil_elf
Anyone who thinks that Iran REALLY is enriching Uranium for peaceful power-generating purposes needs to lay off the pipe a bit.

In the UK the government is looking towards nuclear power alot, why would we do this when we could and do use oil? We could invest more in solar and wind power (which we are) but nuclear power still seems to be their favorite for powering our country into the future. At the moment nuclear power accounts for very little in our country but the government hopes to ramp it up a bit.



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You war-mongers are silly. In one scenario, if Israel was destroyed, in effect destroying Iran as well, then we can finally move on. No worrying about a friggin homeland for the Jews or Palestinians, who btw are a burden on society as a whole because they cant get along or decide how to divide the land. Then you happy warmongers can res in peace knowing Iran has been destroyed. That is assuming Iran attacks Israel, which it will not.

Iran can go out and openly test a nuclear weapon in their land, and nothing will happen. There will be no airstrikes, no invasion, probably not even any sanction. The world will move on peacefully and the current administration will be forced to go look for a war in some impoverished nation. Perhaps they will deide to move back into to Africa.

I suggest they tackle the pirates off the coast with a naval blockade. Or perhaps they can liberate Sudan. Maybe try to quell civil unrest in Uganda/Rwanda/Congo in which cross-border massacres are engaged daily by their citizens in the pursuit of diamonds for guns program.

Funny how there are more than a handful of real problems in the world but they choose to bicker with the Persians because of some weapons that all the big countries gots.

Iran wouldn't take it this far if they thought for a second we weren't already hamstringed.

Enough of the bravado please.

Originally posted by skippytjc
I dont dissagree with you, but I bet the truth is someplace in the middle.

Absolutely.

The notion that the acknowledged ‘civil’ research would equate to the same level of expertise and production as the probable ‘military’ research would be nothing more than presumptuous.

Back to my 'unclear' original point, this may well be a continuation of diplomatic ploys to ‘balance the barter’ by feigning fait accompli in the next rounds of coming discussions.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
prove they are violating it, can you? because i dont think you can since we have found NOTHING violating it.

The above argumentative statement oddly seems to increasingly become more and more prevalent with the actual increase in Iran’s transgressions regarding her safeguards agreements and additional protocols as required in the NNPT.



mg

Originally posted by DYepes

Funny how there are more than a handful of real problems in the world but they choose to bicker with the Persians because of some weapons that all the big countries gots.

Iran is not a "big country". Though I don't hate their people, they have elected someone who has openly stated his desire in wiping Israel out. So if you plan on seeing the place of birth and death of your avatar, then you better have a radiation suit.

I think you better follow up on who is in power in Iran and what their "nutball" president is saying. These people don't like you or me, better not sweep it under the rug brother.

Oh the Great Amerikan Idiots!

You are walking right into the Jaws of a Perfect Steel Trap!!!

Indeed.

DPRK.

Hizbullah. Exploding Guerilla Cookies. All Over The World.

Why is the M3 hidden?

Jaws of a Trap, indeed.

Originally posted by Seekerof
They are and have been treated like a "country."
Accordingly, this is not simply the US saying to the contrary, but even the leaders of Britain, France and Germany, further including the IAEA, are increasingly irked at having caught Iran's leaders lying about their nuclear activities in the past.

Iran has no credibility on this issue of peaceful intent and/or purposes, none whatsoever.

So the US, who illegally and blatantly removes Mossadeq, under the guise of wanting to protect their beloved Iranian friends from the scourge of "commies", for the high crime of wanting Iranian resources to benefit Iranians, replacing him with the hated puppet Shah, who is protected by the CIA/Mossad controlled SAVAK pyschosquadron; the same USAns who illegally arm Hussein with chemical weapons and teach the Iraqi's how to calibrate their mustard gas attacks, the USAns who vote against the UN statement condemning Hussein for using those same chemical weapons in his mindless war with Iran and who are now trying to see to it that Hussein be put to death for using those weapons, the same USAns who arm usurper regimes next door to Iran with chemical and biological weapons and support the hated and despised Mubarak and the Saudi octopus who are with you or against you,

do not approve of Iran having nuclear technology, sound about right?

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
Credibility?

Coming from one who has just spoken an absolute:

Originally posted by pRpPhEcY
Oh the Great Amerikan Idiots!

I stand corrected in simply asserting that Iran had no credibility.
Sorry.
Correction: You and Iran have no credibility over this matter of Iran's in-violation-of-the-NPT nuclear program.






seekerof

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seekerof can you find an article that state what part of it they broke? every article i find just state "according to the IAEA iran broke the NPT" yet it never states what they broke or how they broke it.

i just want an article, and cant find any that states WHY, just stating they did.