Iranian nuclear scientists mastered the full nuclear cycle?

Originally posted by Britguy
Deny Ignorance..... ahem

Deny reality

BTW, Iran already declared war on the USA when they took the hostages. That's a score still to be settled. I'm wondering why the original islamic guy went on my case about Iran being without blame for anything?

Also, I wonder which sect of islam his link goes to? Which exact sect of islam is the 'true' islam?

This is not a 'bash them evviiil mooslims' thread. Get back on topic, the topic is iranian abilities vis a vis the nuclear cycle. Sorry, noooclar cycle.

Actually monty is right, if anyone preaching the liberalised peace(I wish things were truly that simple) actually took the time to read the islamic religous texts, theyd realise in a hurry that any muslim who was radical enough to believe them word for word is very dangerous.

Reminds me alot of mein kampf.

[edit on 10-4-2006 by XphilesPhan]

Eh. There's a lot of propaganda going on. My point is that Iran is a real problem, because it's a fundamental islamic dictatorship. By its nature it is suicidal.

The Ba'ath party of Saddam was basically a part of the original nazis, and it was also about as dangerous. Neither can be allowed nuclear weapons.

Pakistan is really iffy. The only reason it hasn't used its nukes is because Mush is a power hungry guy that likes fancy stuff, kinda like Breshnev was and how Kim is in NK.

Actually, for the "Muslim haters". Islam, Christianity and Judaism are very closely related.

IslamA monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to God and to Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.

Holy Book: Koran

ChristianityA monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior.

Holy Book: Bible

JudaismThe monotheistic religion of the Jews, tracing its origins to Abraham and having its spiritual and ethical principles embodied chiefly in the Hebrew Scriptures and the Talmud.

Holy Book: Bibe

(taken from dictionary.com)

Wow! They all seem generally the same to me. Don't you think?

www.religionfacts.com...

Originally posted by WanderingMind
Actually, for the "Muslim haters". Islam, Christianity and Judaism are very closely related.

IslamA monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to God and to Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.

Holy Book: Koran

ChristianityA monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior.

Holy Book: Bible

JudaismThe monotheistic religion of the Jews, tracing its origins to Abraham and having its spiritual and ethical principles embodied chiefly in the Hebrew Scriptures and the Talmud.

Holy Book: Bibe

(taken from dictionary.com)

Wow! They all seem generally the same to me. Don't you think?

www.religionfacts.com...

Yeah, the same if you consider Soviet Democracy and American Democracy pretty much the same.

As they say, the devil's in the details. Or, in this case, it's really not the details but wake up and read the texts and you'll see the differences. Blatant stuff.

Show me a passage from the Koran that says, "Kill Kill Kill! Kill Kill Kill! Kill everyone not Muslim."

Not that it'll matter, but..

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”


Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)


People like you will gladly ignore this, or excuse it, or apologize for it, or say 'oh, that's not why islamic terrorism/warfare is such a problem'. Guess what, islam is the problem.

And I guess you're either an islamic or a dhimmi in waiting.. Probably one of those happy-to-be dhimmis.

[edit on 10-4-2006 by Monty22001]

Originally posted by Monty22001
Not that it'll matter, but..

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”


Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)


People like you will gladly ignore this, or excuse it, or apologize for it, or say 'oh, that's not why islamic terrorism/warfare is such a problem'. Guess what, islam is the problem.

And I guess you're either an islamic or a dhimmi in waiting.. Probably one of those happy-to-be dhimmis.

[edit on 10-4-2006 by Monty22001]

Owned.

8:39 in full

And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

for more please refer to this
www.islamonline.net...

also there is similer things about smiting unblievers in the bible
Bible quotes


on which sect i am
i am sunni (Iraninans are Shi'tte)
for me i dont see muslims from diffrent sects as diffrent
all muslims follow the same Quran with a few diffrences in cultural areas

Originally posted by bodrul
8:39 in full

And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

for more please refer to this
www.islamonline.net...

also there is similer things about smiting unblievers in the bible
Bible quotes


on which sect i am
i am sunni (Iraninans are Shi'tte)
for me i dont see muslims from diffrent sects as diffrent
all muslims follow the same Quran with a few diffrences in cultural areas

The OT and NT do not demand followers to kill. The koran does. You lose. I think everyone that really educates themselves on religion knows this, and yet you try and fool people. Why? We know that islam=death and terrorism. It's commanded. I quoted the parts of it.

The OT does have violent parts, however, they are not direct commandments. The actual commandments are of peace and love and so on, which I'm not such a total fan of.

The koran demands the death of infidels and so on. That's why we've had 1400 years of mohammed worshippers causing endless problems.

All the quotes that you supplied showed that GOD will punish unbelievers. The koran says that HUMANS should go out and punish them. QED.

[edit on 10-4-2006 by Monty22001]

what ever you say
im sure people with a higher IQ then your self will be able to make sense of the quotes and so forth.

since explaing to you is pointless


to everyone else please read the quotes from the link i gave
and read verses from the bible you will see they have similer verses about ubelivers and how god will smite them in the quran it doesnt say kill unbelivers (your source is unreliable)
if you find them on my link then feel free to show me

only time in the quran it says its ok to kill someone is when they are opressing you.

a few other quotes

"Those who act kindly in this world will have kindness".
Quran 39.10

Say: My Lord has forbidden all atrocities, whether overt or disguised, and harm (ithm). Quran 7:33

Abandon all harm (ithm), whether committed openly or in secret.
Quran 6:120

'If you efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! God is forgiving and Merciful.'
Quran 64.14

'It may be that God will ordain love between you and those whom you hold as enemies. For God has power over all things and God is Oft-forgiving and Most Merciful.'
Quran 60.7

'The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he between whom and you there was enmity shall become as though he were a bosom friend. But none is granted it save those who are steadfast, and none is granted it save a person of great fortune.'
Quran 40.34-35

"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you"
Sûrah al Hujurat 49.13

"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colors. Verily, in that are indeed signs for those who know".
Sûrah ar Rum 30:22

more quotes
more info muslims+jews+christains

to mod can you split these replies from the orginal topic and put them in the religion area


[edit on 10-4-2006 by bodrul]

[edit on 10-4-2006 by bodrul]

Either get back on topic or quit posting!

The topic is:
Iranian nuclear scientists mastered the full nuclear cycle?

Benevolent Heretic sorry about going off topic
could you split this topic up so the religous part is in the religion thingy area

Originally posted by bodrul
what ever you say

im sure people with a higher IQ then your self will be able to make sense of the quotes and so forth.

since explaing to you is pointless


to everyone else please read the quotes from the link i gave
and read verses from the bible you will see they have similer verses about ubelivers and how god will smite them in the quran it doesnt say kill unbelivers (your source is unreliable)
if you find them on my link then feel free to show me

only time in the quran it says its ok to kill someone is when they are opressing you.

a few other quotes

"Those who act kindly in this world will have kindness".
Quran 39.10

Say: My Lord has forbidden all atrocities, whether overt or disguised, and harm (ithm). Quran 7:33

Abandon all harm (ithm), whether committed openly or in secret.
Quran 6:120

'If you efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! God is forgiving and Merciful.'
Quran 64.14

'It may be that God will ordain love between you and those whom you hold as enemies. For God has power over all things and God is Oft-forgiving and Most Merciful.'
Quran 60.7

'The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he between whom and you there was enmity shall become as though he were a bosom friend. But none is granted it save those who are steadfast, and none is granted it save a person of great fortune.'
Quran 40.34-35

"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you"
Sûrah al Hujurat 49.13

"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colors. Verily, in that are indeed signs for those who know".
Sûrah ar Rum 30:22

more quotes

to mod can you split these replies from the orginal topic and put them in the religion area


[edit on 10-4-2006 by bodrul]

Another lame personal attack about IQ's. I supply quotes of the koran, I ask them to be discussed. You provide what? Nothing really. Some Bible quotes that are fairly vague, unlike the koran quotes.

Remember everyone, ALL those 'good' koran quotes do NOT apply to Dar Al-Harb. The infidels are specifically exluded from being 'innocent'. If islamics took the so-called peaceful parts as truly peaceful, we wouldn't have such problems as Iran, Iraq, Syria, the palestianians and so on. islamic terrorism wouldn't exist.

However, the islamics know that those verses only apply to the 'good' islamics. The problem is, islam is such a mess that it really doesn't define well what a good islamic is. So the shias kill the sunnis that kill the kurds and on endlessly. It's an endless warfare within islam. And all islam fights the infidels.

Reality and the 'fruits of islam' prove you do not understand your own culture. Either that, or you're practicing islamic lying in order to further the religion, another thing many islamics believe is fully sanctioned.

Doesn't seem to be a big bunch of doubt... seems they've "mastered" a decades old technology... they haven't been "kidding" in any of their recent news releases. 43 gonna hafta do something... and then the facility at "Bushehr" became a Bush-err and disappeared along with Natanz.

Perhaps the only decisions left to make are when and whether to go nuclear? I hope it isn't an N-Strike, but they are dug in pretty good and the Joint Chiefs have been prevented from removing the option from the "Plan".

Just a thought - what can carry 700 tons airborne at high altitude?
Anything? How about a blimp? A real-good made in America Palmdale-crew blimp? How about a big "Black-Triangle" delivery? Hmmm? How big/deep a hole could a 700 ton shaped charge dropped from 20 miles altitude make? My guess - big enough.

And yes, unforunately the islamic side has taken this discussion from about how we can defeat islamic iran with weaponry into a defense of islam at all costs. I'm sorry to see this nonsense happen.

Ok as nobody despite warnings on and off this thread,

it seems that you cannot keep it on track without insults and flames,

So i will just go and close this thread,