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Originally posted by JIMC5499
If the US and UK are the mindless, brainwashed killing machines that some here claim that they are then why even go into Fallujah? I'm sure that it would have been quite a bit safer to just surround the city and blast it off of the map with artillary and airstrikes.
They could then shoot anyone who came running out.
Originally posted by devilwasp
You know nothing about WW2 do you? Or how it came about ?
It was our blind ignorance and idiocy that let WW2 happen, those millions dead are on britains concience because the UK done nothing....understand?
We were warned, our navy complained, our army complained hell our PEOPLE complained but our leaders who thought "Violence solves nothing" did nothing.
Originally posted by StellarX
It seems, imo, that he knows more than you do , Dw.
It was not blind idiocy and ignorance that 'let world war two happen' ( wars don't just 'happen' anyway you look at it). The dead are'nt crying so lets rather focus on learning from their deaths so that we can provent the very same people and forces from starting more of those to further their own aims.
The leaders knew very well what would happen if they attacked first ( people do not want war and needs to be dragged into them) without setting up the situation so Japan would act in a rather specific way. There is plenty of evidence, imo, that Pearl harbour was very much 'staged'( not in that they were sure the Japanese would attack it but in terms of inviting attacks on US forces in generaL) for public consumption.
Originally posted by yeoldehomer
Soldiers are not baby killers. Have some respect. All you are is a keyboard warrior firebat, people have the guts to defend their nation and fight for freedom while you sit here calling them baby killers. For shame...
Insurgents are known to place children at SAM sites and behind RPG's and Snipers - why? So the US soldiers won't shoot. Thank god some of the soldiers over there will shoot anyway.
If you're aiding or shielding a combatant - you, yourself are a combatant. If the Al-Queada fighters didn't put children in the front line, they wouldn't be dying so often.
Originally posted by Harlequin
fullajah - the day when the US governement deemed it `ok` to use chemical weapons on civilians
Originally posted by devilwasp
Got a B in O level history mate with international relations 1929-1939, I know what happened..
Was it not? Funny last time I checked bringing back a piece of paper and war is not what I want my PM to do.
The dead are crying, the whole mess will start again if we do not act when needed, "One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. " Mr churchil said that and he was right about germany.
Oh yeah I suppose it was, just like the UK let germany take over europe so it could get into another war.
No we let that happen by NOT acting, think what you like stellar but we both know that WW2 could have been stopped earlier.
Much earlier.
Originally posted by StellarX
Well that means you've been better and more comprehensively lied to than the rest of us; well done.
Well that's why they bring back a peace of paper saying claiming "there will be peace in our time" ( or some such nonsense) while doing nothing to prevent war while helping to strengthen the enemy by inaction and other measures.
And he consistently warned against the danger but since the establishment was going to go to war it changed nothing.
Oh
Taking over Europe was obviously not supposed to happen. Who thought France would fall like it did with so little ado?
And what a concerted effort it did not take to move such masses of people and their governments to war. How does it happen if it was so obvious in coming
Why, against all odds and public sentiment, does world wars happen? The people never gain ( and they know this) so how do we end up with these wars so frequently?
Is it because times of war is the best time to steal people's freedom with their consent under the guise of 'protecting the nation' against enemies created by the very industrial and government forces that aided and help created said enemy.
Originally posted by devilwasp
I wonder if the film shows all sides of the war instead of one side.....
Or is that a bit much to ask for from the "independant media"?
Originally posted by StellarX
Well i think it's probably justified if 'they' focus on 'their' side as 'we' focus on 'yours' .
Why should 'the enemy' always be considerate enough to look at all aspects of the 'situation' when that is hardly ever done in western media?
Why should 'they' have 'media freedom' when such a thing exsists only in theory most anywhere?
The hypocrisy of it all should give you at least some pause.
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Originally posted by Harlequin
fullajah - the day when the US governement deemed it `ok` to use chemical weapons on civilians
:shk: the ignorance on ATS never ceases to amaze me. you need to review the chemical weapons agreements the US signed.
Originally posted by yeoldehomer
You expect a city to be seiged and no one to die?!
For god sakes I wish people would stop having a rant and a whinge every time a US soldier kills someone. Put yourselves in their shoes for a second. You are in a city full of insurgents, if they capture you your're gonna get your head cut off and if they don't capture you you're dead. Wouldn't you be on edge and shooting anything that moves AFTER CIVILLIAN PEOPLE WERE ASKED TO LEAVE THE CITY.
Half the civillian deaths in Iraq might be the civillian's own fault.
1. Stop at the check points. If warning shots have been shot, your tires shot out and people shouting at you to stop, don't blame them when they put 2 in your chest and 1 in your head.
2. Don't act as a human shield for a man with an RPG
3. Don't stand in front of a convoy.
Simple science
[edit on 10-4-2006 by yeoldehomer]
baby killers? ok i know u apologized but the word censors here prohibit me from telling you where to put that apology. id LOVE to hear what happens if u have the cajones to call a US soldier returning from battle a baby killer to his face, though id rather u did it wehn he was off duty as most of us wouldnt lay you out while in uniform.
The material is nothing but additional food for the antiwar crowd. Nothing more, nothing less.