Open Challenge. There is no NWO.

Or as the old adage goes, if kerose could pulverize buildings it would be used commercially in that role, right?

Of course, there is no proof in the way of 'expert statements' or 'reports' by reputable sources whatever that means... DO you honestly expect the perpetrators to openly tell you about their goals?

There is plenty of proof, JFK's death was bad enough but the bull**** campaign that followed, the lies the silence on important issues, the total absence of even amateurish investigation (motive, why so obvious?, time criticality, etc) shows clear contempt of humanity as a whole. Who were responsible? the list is endless, lots of politicians, judges, prosecutors, journalists, etc turned their patriotic eye towards what is aptly termed an open conspiracy. one case is enough, of course, but it's not like anyone cares, since all that counts nowadays is 'air time' isn't it??!

Sometimes i wonder if such posts are merely designed to put the thread's participants on some kind of blacklist, if that's the case, i propose you put everyone on it.

www.wealth4freedom.com...

a bit childish, but hard to misunderstand: www.relfe.com...

Originally posted by Long Lance
open conspiracy.

I agree that it's a very open conspiracy; the contrasts are evident to anyone who looks. On one side we see poverty and unemployment, price of oil shooting up, yet the Business pages talk of record profit.

Sometimes I wonder if such posts are merely designed to put the thread's participants on some kind of blacklist, if that's the case, i propose you put everyone on it.

that actually gave me shivers…

Firebat- Yes, they are choosing at there presnt time to buy food or health care. But, they did not apply themselves when they were young, they did not go to school, did not get an education, and did not try and achieve something. Hence, there role in society, low-class. Now the people that did apply themselves and did go to school and get an education do not have such problems. Get it?

Jenka just take it as it comes okay bud. CNN and Foxnews is always talking about this stuf. That more terrorist attacks are inevitable and that we'll have to surrender freedom for security in order to win this war on terror.

I urge you to read General tommy franks Cigar Africadd o interview in which he says the constitution won't survive another attack and that there will be a police state.

Sandra Day OConnor even said recently that Bush is leading America down tehe path to a dictatorship
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Whoever said it was right. You are like a newborn on this issue

As for names of people who will takeover your guess is as good as mine. Rothschilds are the main family involved in the Illuminati families so you can start looking there.

And as for the NWO being a good thing hahaha. Goodluck with that one. Unless you enjoy surrendering your rights and freedoms and never getting them back.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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[edit on 9-4-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]

Originally posted by mrjenka
Firebat- Yes, they are choosing at there presnt time to buy food or health care. But, they did not apply themselves when they were young, they did not go to school, did not get an education, and did not try and achieve something. Hence, there role in society, low-class.

Let's consider the fact that a significant number of our poor include blacks. Now. Just 45 years ago, these people weren't even allowed to get a decent education or find a well-paying job. They were NOT ALLOWED to achieve ANYTHING. Did you not take a history class or two during your days in school? What exactly were they supposed to do? Well those people are STILL here, believe it or not and while the civil rights-era opened up new doors, many of these people STILL didn't have the money to check themselves into a nice college... that piece of paper called the Civil Rights Act didn't magically put money in these people's pockets.

Many people come from small towns with poor educational systems. It has nothing to do with them, it is not their fault. Many end up taking a factory job or a mining job, what have you, and they work that job for the rest of their life, at least until retirement. It's not they ALL goofed in high school and now they're all paying for it.

You need to recognize the fact that not EVERYONE is fortunate enough to enjoy the opportunities you enjoy. Jeez, open a book or something....

mrjenka, it's suprising that someone who appears to want to find out about the NWO is quite unknowledgable on the theories out there, and dismissive of anything.

Perhaps you should rename this title to - "I don't believe in the new world order, and nothing you can say will change my mind"

There is plenty of research out there. If you believe you are living in a free country, perhaps you would also be interested in purchasing these flying pigs i have recently aquired.

Come back when you have a more specific question.

Thanks.

I can't agree with you more. To believe that there are certain people who control the way all governments are run and that we are moving to one world government is laughable. We have so many differences. Governments can't agree on almost anything. i.e. borders, religion, politics, polution, global warming, arms reduction, arms control, feeding the poor, vaccines, the list can go on for days. How can you put the present administration in this mix, when, the news media is against them, the liberal movement spews nothing but hatred for all in this administration. If there was a NWO, surely no one would want to follow the current administration. Too many differences for any type of NWO or one world government. sorry....I don't believe it.

I could be wrong...

But Tommy reminds me of Jenka...

Edit: I also couldn't help notice but he registered just this morning.

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Just watch and see all you dis-believers. It's going to happen. Haven't you noticed the shift since 9/11 to a police state? It's happening right in front of your blinded eyes for Christ sake. Just look at the militarization of the police force. Just look at all the famous political names that have spoken up in either support or offense to the issue.

Sometimes I think that people really are living under a rock. Tommy. When Bush said 9/11 was the day the world changed, and that Cheney said we're heading towards a world war thats not going to end in any of our lifetimes what in the hell do you think that means?

It's all right there in the Project for a New American Century. Even Tony Blair recently came out begging for a Global Alliance. Thats the new thing. We're in the 21st Century. This idea of nation states is a thing of the past. Regionalization is in.

The Times are changing and the world is going to war. I suggest you watch the issue with Iran because that will be the straw that breaks the camels back and all hell breaks loose.

What kind of police state? Where do you live? I live in New York City? Don't tell me I'm living under a rock. Where were you on 9/11? How many people did you lose that day? I lost 4 family members. 2 working in the trade center and 2 fireman that rushed there to help people get out of those buildings. Police State? I was stuck in traffic on the New Jersey State Turnpike near exit 15. I saw the buildings fall from there.

What did Bush/Cheney mean when they said the world changed on that day? They meant that we are not gonna take this crap anymore. why should we sit arround and let these fundamental idealistic terrorists bomb and kill inoccent people?

Yes and if iran is the next stop then let it be so. It's time we stood up and said that if we want a civilized society, we cannot tolerate terrorism in any way.

My family was shattered on 9/11. 7 children without fathers and a mother. Lost brother. Lost friends. For what?

I await your response.

Yes, i registered this morining. What does that prove? I've been reading the posts here for over a year. I had a problem registering the first time and had to change my email address before i could re-register.

So, if you think i'm some kind of novice to the threads on this site, forget it. I've been reading this stuff for so long that i'm a little sick of the way all you people stick together and believe all of this crap.

You all site people like alex jones and david icke. What do these peope do? They read this crap and they put together what people have said in speeches, taken out of context, and write books that you people buy. Simply because there is a market for it. They are making money.

Oh - don't let me forget about this "Telos" person. I just saw his post. What another joke. Hey Telos,, if you so strong and so powerful, stike me down with a bolt of lightnening. I challenge you to meet me, in person with your vodoo doll and take over my mind. Take the bad man away - he scares me.....what a joke.

Originally posted by tommy1701
I can't agree with you more. To believe that there are certain people who control the way all governments are run and that we are moving to one world government is laughable. We have so many differences.

Debts... Trillions and trillions. How much money does the U.S. government owe the federal reserve (which is like previously mentioned, a private company)? How much money does the British government owe the bank of England? It's very simple to understand that it's near automatic to control somebody or some entity who owes you money.

How much money do practically every country and it's government owe private bankers, such as the IMF (private company) and the World Bank (private company)?

Why does the IMF at this moment own the majority of gold reserves on the planet?

The United States have had presidents (Jefferson and Lincon to name a few) who were fighting against privately owned central banks and their ability to print money and make credits using fractional reserve banking.

Do yourself a favor and check out this 3 hour video:

The Money Masters: How International bankers gained control of America


EDIT: Added this ATSNN article to prove my point.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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If there really was a "NWO" Don't you think your liberal pals - Dick Durben, Robert (i was a member of the KKK) Byrd, Hillerye (I stand beside my man, he didn't have sex with that girl) Clinton, John (I was a pow) Mclean and Chuck (i am licesned to carry a handgun but i don't think anyone else should) Schumer, along with John ( i served in vietnam) Kerry and lets not forget Ted (that girl was alive when the car went off the road in chappaquidic) Kennedy would be exposing it?

If not, why not? Thats what these people do. Don't they expose what's all these conspiracies and bring people to justice?

Oh - wait a minute, they're in on it... my mistake.

Check out the U.S. constitution. the federal reserve act of 1913, which created the federal reserve system.

Oh - but wait a minute, these people are in on it.

Did you see that video before Tommy??

And btw.. Do you know at what date the federal reserve act was passed?? How many congressmen where on vacation then?

[edit on 9-4-2006 by TheBandit795]

since you're apparently unable to click on the 2nd link i posted, let me make one thingclear:

The entire money supply is monopolized by the fed and the only way to get cash is to borrow it and go into debt, which you have to pay interest for and no matter how low that rate is, you have to repay more than you borrowed. Now, how to pay interest ? remember the fed is a monopoly.

Borrow more... and more..and more....


Do you 'debunkers' get it now or will i need a slideshow?

Apparently, yes, us "debunkers" do need a slideshow.

What school did you go to? Did you take economics 101? The Federal Reserve bank is the central bank of the U.S. Of course it is a monopoly. It was put into our constitution to provide stability, so the indvidual states don't all print money. If each state in the union printed it's own money how would we figure out the value of a new york dollar against the value of a texas dollar. It is called a monetary system. We need it. If we don't have it we could all print our own money, but we call that counterfitting.



But again - they must be in on "it". and only you people here at ats are onto "it" you know what "it" is and your not gonna be fooled by "it"

Mod Edit to remove quote of previous poster.

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Yes, i'm afraid us "debunkers" are gonna need a slideshow.

And you "believers" are gonna need to take economics 101 - GNP the laws of supply and demand, economics 202 - banking and the federal reserve system at a local college.

So, now the whole monetary system of the world is a conspiracy..Oh My God.....lmfao......



OH - BUT WAIT A MINUTE - THEY MUST BE IN ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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LL,hey I really think you better get out the slideshow because Im really convinced that these non NWO people will never get it because they really dont want to get it.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Did you see that video before Tommy??

And btw.. Do you know at what date the federal reserve act was passed?? How many congressmen where on vacation then?

[edit on 9-4-2006 by TheBandit795]

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BANDIT - Your gonna have to tell me. It is obvious that my history books were not written by ATS and you people. So, whatever date i give you is gonna be incorrect.

Another question...If all of congress was on vacation when the federal reserve act of 1913 was passed, HOW DID IT GET PASSED?