Open Challenge. There is no NWO.

nice post. Also jenka I'd rather destroy the world than have it live enslaved. There isn't much difference between the 2 except 1 has more suffering. And dont you think that if nwo came into power it wouldnt' give two s---'s about saving the world.

This whole thread has really become kind of pointless. It all comes down to what each person decides to believe for themselves. It can be quite the challenge. Believe everything you hear on the mass media or defy everything you've ever been taught to believe.

Either way both sides can't prove their arguments. Although with all the key political and military figures who have spoken out it's become quite obvious that terrorism has been used to forment a police state.

And with everything that has come to light since 9/11 it's just astounding. Even to date with all the 9/11 inconsistencies in the official story I'm surprised the Neo-Cons have been able to keep the top from blowing off.

yup that pretty much sums it up
thread says,"we only do what we are meant to do" tristan says"then you are meant for one more thing: deletion"

any feedback on the matrix parody there

Here's my take.

why does nwo seem to leave clues:

A lot of them are made up or based on nutjob speculation. Another reason, for the more legitimate and realistic issues being so see through, is because we are all human and do make mistakes. We are all connected and can imagine the reasons and know the actions of one another, no matter how strange that sounds.

why do most of these clues point to illuminati/freemasons

Because there are wealthy groups behind the stuff, although I seriously doubt that we know their true name or scope. I would think that the group was originally Euro/American and now includes moguls from all over who have something to contribute to the overall organization. John Kerry and George Bush's collegiate skull and bones group is one to look at, I imagine it as being a "training evil group", for the rich kids who want to feel bad ass and who's fathers are initiating them into it all for later.

what is significance of 20 and/or the date 9/11

Uh, thats when the attacks when through and thats when the guys at the top saw their Reichstag burning and decided to milk it for all it was worth? 3000 people is nothing to them, and although I doubt that they organized the thing(it is a possibility but I doubt it), I do think that they knew about it and at least through negligence allowed it to happen. To then take advantage of it as if they had planned it.

why are we sitting here and talking like dumbarses and not trying to actively find out

This is how you actively find out. I've been on here for two years and feel that I have a very solid picture of what's going on. It just sucks because so few others do and so many are pretending that they do.

why whenever I say something to that affect do I take a lot of flack

Because people like to attack others and feel better in the short term because of it. Don't give up and always realize that unless you're doing this too, you're good.

why dont we get an expert in cryptology and recreate some dan brown books with nwo

lol what?

why if nwo is so secret does it leave so many clues

Like I said, they fail like anyone else, they're not James Bond. He's on our side after all.

james bond fails. He trusts a girl and she stabs him in the back. also he cant stay with a woman for more than a month. He shoots his boss in the vr. He gets captured how many times. He screws up bigtime in the book silverfin. I know its not what you meant but lol

This Jenka guy is a genius!!

I never seen anybody get the posts for such low level work at this site. Excellent dude!



Yeah the NWO doesn't exist at all, there is only documented proof of it from the very top that is.

There are no conspiracies and I can prove it: as an example consider the price of gas right? Does not every major brand at all hours of the day and night go all out and compete for your business at the lowest possible price aka Walmart?

Does not the hugh oil companies just develop and deliver fuel supplies to us at a fair profit that rarely varies and never reflects gouging or cheating?

Do not the same central characters that are strongly believed to run the NWO also own the said oil companies?

If they drop bombs on Iran will not the price of oil sky rocket even more?

Who is gonna make that money?

If you got some extra cash then buy short term puts on the price of crude cause Israel wants to bomb Iran and Israel ususally gets its way.

Easy money but that is my opinion and I am not an investment advisor.

Mr Jenka represents the general mindset here in the U.S. If you're really paying attention and cannot see what evident changes that are occurring currently with this adminstration then there's no need to worry, your life is too busy and self absorbed to realize what the hell matters anyway. A common American problem. Mr Jenka, turn off your television, it's f****** with your head.

yeah... Jenkas get off of the sofa... turn off the tv... at least change it to a good channel... I know its hard but you need to get of your ars... do some research... look at what has already happened... watch something besides cnn and foxnews... they're both bought off...

Hello Everyone

Iam new to the site so i hope i will not affend anyone . the topic of the NWO has for some time now been of great intrest to me and i assume you as well . Back about 10 yrs ago i happend to come across a set of books that make reff to all of what we are talking about here . Some of these books i understand are now out of print bit the web site is still around last i heard of and its quite interesting . It tells of a meeting the folks of the NWO had back in 1978 in Denver CO about how the NWO was to kinda take hold. The Aids Illness was to help reduce the world population and then the take over the fall of the market as we know of it and the stock market doing a good job of that now with the oil prices and so on trying to disrupt our way of life . the web site i am talking about is www.trufax.org and the book set is called the " matrix" now i ask that all of you read it with an open mind as it does get wird and can set some folks over the edge . It kinda go int how the NWO was to take a hold and in som e cases its working . Book 3 and 4 cover a lot about the so called end times and that the current president we have now was to be our last US president before the NWO was to take over. You have to remember that Bush senior "H" was in the CIA as the head and his father was the one who was the banker who supported the Germans in WWII. and is part of the gang if you may who is in on the change for the NWO. DO i belive it will happen Sadly enough yes it will the Govt has tryed in many cases to adopt the 1939 gun laws from germany the UN is in training in Arizona as of 10 yrs ago and the rail road company CSX has built a whole set of trains to be used as prisons to haul folks of to camps like in WWII. The OK City Complex was to take care of the western part of the US and its said that Cleveland O was to take care of the east coast. the Gove has in operation since 1991 the DDRW and DDRE in place al ready you ask whats DDRW and DDRE its the Defence Distribution Reagion West & the E is for East . well I hope i havent scared anyone toooo much but go read Vladimear Valarins (his Pen name) web site and see for your self Scoop

okay... I guess its good that you posted a research site. Could someone give me a good nwo research technique besides the news and google cause aside from full on espionage I cant find much else... Also how do the people like alex jones/david wicke do what they do... I would kinda like to be more involved

The thread title should be:

There WAS an NWO.

www.tomozo.com...

Lol, it's just a richboys funclub that happens to run the # and keep it beneath heels guys, and these days, they are getting dumb. As they did with Nam and anything else overtly visible, and they work with other like richboy funclubs to keep us all as productive and subordinate sheep while also trying their damndest to keep us impotent revolution-wise.

CORPORATE OLIGARCHY ANYONE? The money runs the show...

Shir- You are correct. Money does run the world. However, what is it that you people are digging for? I have read a post about skull and bones, "a camp for training evil rich kids" I found this the most absurd.

And what clues are you seeing here? Maybe it is YOU who should turn off the TV and learn a little. The only thing I would agree with anyone on is that a corporate NWO can take over. And that is the only thing that is possibly however, very unlikely. In order for any kind of NWO to take over there has to be a trust and loyalty to that cause and or a product that everyone needs and only that corporations pocesses.

If everyone in the world had AIDS and Merck had a cure than in theory and yet again, only in theory could Merck become a World Order. You guys are giving way to much credit to the government and to these 'black' organizations. What you guys speak of is so wide spread thatn someone or something is bound to come out.

Angelina Jolie can't even go to a Starbucks and buy a cup of coffee without 9000k paparazi taking pictures of her. Bush can't buy a condom without it being reported 5 min later, what makes you think the media wouldn't pick up on this?

The amount of collobaration, planning, funds, assests, 'pull' and overall 'balls' to pull such a thing off is totaly unlikely. It will never happen, it has never happened and it is not happening now. Please! do something with yourselves.

Spychips: Katherin Albreicht (check this book out Jenka) and check out a movie called Equilibrium. It's everything the Matrix wasn't. V for Vendetta is okay but the guy in the mask gets really annoying. You can tell he hasn't had a friend in a long time.

I have to give you some credit Jenka. It looks like your beginning to catch on now.

Now about the media, the media is controlled by the same people who plan on having a NWO. Mass media is controlled. Ever notice how during the clinton years the media was heavily anti-clinton and then when Bush came along it was heavily Pro Bush? The media is supposed to be subjective but they bow down to Bush like he's Jesus. If the media is any indication of the state of the nation then it's not going good.

These people are smart enough to realize you need propaganda as a major tool otherwise forget it.

Just look at the media today. They use terrorism in the media to scare the population.

The selling point of the NWO is that when nuclear terrorism is unleashed in the states every citizen will feel isolated. When martial law is breaking out it will be very shocking and people won't know what to do. Most people out there live paycheque to paycheque nowadays and very few people are prepared for martial law. Just think what will happen when a few terrorist nukes go off in major port cities.

The NWO will appear to be the only solution. the RFID chip is a big part of it too. People will be conned into thinking it's a good thing surrendering freedom for security. Your right about the corporate part. But take it a step further. The NWO is Corporate Facism.

I still say you'll be shlitting your pants when terrorism strikes and your television tells you to accept the NWO.






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And don't ever say it won't happen here. Thats what the Germans said when Hitler was rising to power. Everyone thought he was just a nutball who wouldn't last very long.

Exactly, We cannot give an unbiased oppinion as to whether it will happen as we ALL would not accept a regime like that even if we do not believe that it will happen. Versus the southwestern sheeple who will believe all that they see on TV because they are so cut off from the world.

there's a GOOD channel on TV !?

really ?

when did THAT happen....lol



yeah , I agree, most folks
are too distracted and
too disinterested to figure things out.

in addition to that I must add....there is no
bloody way to figure out this stuff in 5 minutes
even if you wanted to know.

time , time , time , time....so little time
so much to read


the bottom line for most folks is;
no desire [ various reasons ] + no
time to verify = uninformed electorate

simply marvelous to those in control

the whole television remarks thing reminds of an article from prisonplanet which was well done.

www.prisonplanet.com...

Crazy- The media is all about Bush, are you freaking kidding me!!!!!!!
Your joking right?

Bill Maher, Bruce Springstein, Bill O'Rielly, Anderson Cooper etc... etc... etc.. All these high profile media reporters bash Bush daily. Which confirms my previous statement, you hear what you want and you see what you want.

Zzzzzz, this is boring me, this is why I haven't posted. Nothing worth while, nothing worth my time.

This thread is a little pointless.

Surely there is no definative proof of a NWO else it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory but a known fact?? If it were possible for a forum member to concisely provide proof of a NWO it would have been done by now.

If anyone is gullable enough to believe that the goverments, religions and media agencies of the world are bearers of truth, i'm afraid you need to wake up, they're playing you like a fiddle.

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It is hard to swallow isn't it....and I believe thats a part of the plan.

How do you fight or resist something that is like "smoke".....

Do a study on Satanic Ritual Abuse, Multiple Personality Disorder and you will discover the heart of the Illuminati.

Its how they control and command.

Beware that there is substantial information on the internet discrediting the existence of SRA and MPD...but I know they exist from personal, "in-your-face" experience. (I won't go into detail on the internet though)

Now read the writings of Fritz Springmeier, who wrote over 12 books on the illuminati, and is now in prison for armed robbery. Yep, he was set up. Do a google for "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" or even a wikipedia on Fritz.

Next read the works of Dr. Coleman

here is a link-



This is a quote from one of his books.

Next, do a google on the "Svali Interview" This lady was a lower level "trainer" within the organization....who has now vanished.

And finally, go to henrymakow.com

Henry stumbled onto the illuminati doing research on feminism and other issues.

These are just a few of the web locations that you can research.... they will get you started on your journey toward the TRUTH.

Of course that is assuming you really want to know the TRUTH

jfree