The wild men of Ireland/Scotland

Unfortunately I don't have a copy of the Konungs skuggsjá lying around

Sounds like this story of 'wild men' was a tall tale spread by sailors which was doing the rounds at the time and somehow got incorporated into the dialogue.

If there was an veracity in the story one would have expected to it to be mentioned in celtic literature.

Originally posted by Aztecatl
As I said, the book is Speculum regale, from 1210 A.D. go look it up.

ah finally after much insult , we get to the citation

so i presume you are refereing to the woodwose ?? - if so - why didnt you come out and say it origionaly - if not , just what the heck are you refereing too

my german and latin , is adequate - but not upto a speculative read of an antire book - to do your home work for you

your behaviour is becoming increasingly trollish , and irritating . so if you ant this thread to proceed - its incumbent on YOU to provide so refference material


put as a public service here is a quote ,

From the Speculum Regale (also called the King's Mirror, written in Norway around 1250): "It once happened in that country (and this seems indeed strange) that a living creature was caught in the forest as to which no one could say definitely whether it was a man or some other animal; for no one could get a word from it or be sure that it understood human speech. It had the human shape, however, in every detail, both as to hands and face and feet; but the entire body was covered with hair as the beasts are, and down the back it had a long coarse mane like that of a horse, which fell to both sides and trailed along the ground when the creature stooped in walking. I believe I have now recounted most of the marvels that have their origin in the nature of the land itself, so far as we seem to have sure knowledge concerning them."

if you ACTUALLY tel us what you are refering to instead of beeing madeningly vague and hurling insults st any one who questions you - you might discover that we know far more than you give us credit for

There are several members that are well versed in Latin, but even for those of us who are not, Amazon seems to have a copy for $7 .....translated by Laurence Larson.

www.amazon.com...
v=glance&n=283155

Here is a painting of the Woodwose.....
en.wikipedia.org...:ADurerWoodwoses1499.jpg

Thank you ignorant ape for that.

That quote actually uses the term 'long hair' rather than the down or feathers originally described. I think that theres a chance it could be some form of primitive man, or possibly even some sort of primate that may have existed in the British Isles which is now extinct (or evolved).

It would be interesting to see what else the original poster's book contains. Is the book a sort of primitive cryptozoology text?

Originally posted by ignorant_ape

Originally posted by Aztecatl
As I said, the book is Speculum regale, from 1210 A.D. go look it up.

ah finally after much insult , we get to the citation

so i presume you are refereing to the woodwose ?? - if so - why didnt you come out and say it origionaly - if not , just what the heck are you refereing too

my german and latin , is adequate - but not upto a speculative read of an antire book - to do your home work for you

your behaviour is becoming increasingly trollish , and irritating . so if you ant this thread to proceed - its incumbent on YOU to provide so refference material


put as a public service here is a quote ,

From the Speculum Regale (also called the King's Mirror, written in Norway around 1250): "It once happened in that country (and this seems indeed strange) that a living creature was caught in the forest as to which no one could say definitely whether it was a man or some other animal; for no one could get a word from it or be sure that it understood human speech. It had the human shape, however, in every detail, both as to hands and face and feet; but the entire body was covered with hair as the beasts are, and down the back it had a long coarse mane like that of a horse, which fell to both sides and trailed along the ground when the creature stooped in walking. I believe I have now recounted most of the marvels that have their origin in the nature of the land itself, so far as we seem to have sure knowledge concerning them."

if you ACTUALLY tel us what you are refering to instead of beeing madeningly vague and hurling insults st any one who questions you - you might discover that we know far more than you give us credit for

The wood-what? I have never heard that name.

Your "External source" which you are quoting from, has left out about a page of info on that creature. The author of the original book clearly states who/what the creatures are, and how they came to be so.



As I have already explained, I left my book at someone elses house, and will not be getting it untill easter, so no quotes untill then.

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[edit on 2/4/2006 by Aztecatl]

Scotland, Ireland, Wales and Cornwall all share a common cultural bond ,hisorically they are all Celtic nations with a diverse, yet rich history of folklore.
Fairies, dragons, banshees,woodland dwelling spirits and a plethora of other msterious entities. It goes without saying that all these mythological entities or creatures do not exist nor ever existed in these lands.
What your resources document lies firmly in myth and legend and probabley deserves to to viewed as nothing more than folklore.
My great grandfather-an Irish migrant- used to tell tales of lepechauns and another group of entities he called 'The Boories', a group of entities that huddled around the chimmny pot on cold autumnal and winter nights to keep warm. They safeguarded the entrance down the chimmny against malevolent spirits entering the home should the fire burn out. Just like your wildmen they were certainly a cultural figment of folklore with no solid foundation of fact to reinforce their existence.
Move on and treat this reference work as yet another fear inducing work of fiction from a bygone age.
www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk

[edit on 2/4/2006 by anglosaxon]

[edit on 2/4/06 by JAK]

Atzelcatl(spelling?) You shouldn't be so hostile to other members for no reason. If they provide a link you should check it out as it is probably relevant (or a mod will say something about it). If you disagree with whats on there put your case forward reasonably.

As for the myth hypothesis, lots and lots of them usually have some sort of basis in fact. i am still inclined to believe the idea they were either a primitive hominid or a type of wild man (wild as in living ino the wilderness for a while not primitive).
Their language may have been different to what was spoken at the time which was ehy they were incomprehensible.

think "Aztlan" and "from=tecatl". Aztecatl.

strange how all the good things start with the sound "As" (sounds the same anyway in folk-tongues.) Asgard.. Asia... Aser... Aztlan...
Az-tlantli = "At-lant-is".....

Originally posted by Aztecatl
strange how all the good things start with the sound "As" (sounds the same anyway in folk-tongues.) Asgard.. Asia... Aser... Aztlan...
Az-tlantli = "At-lant-is".....

Aspartame, asphalt, asthma...
Just kidding.

In the start you said that those "wild men" lived in Ireland, Scotland and other places that can support human life and are scarcely populated. Do you know, and if you know do you remember, if they said in that book what those other places were?

OK, aparently Aztecatl was banned, we may never know what he was talking about, or even if he knew what he was talking about.

Just another hot-headed member that did not last long.

[edit on 2/4/2006 by ArMaP]

we might not have hair all over our bodies but i will tell you this...
celts are WILD
you wanna see me after 4 cans of special brew and a bottle of buckfast.
oooohweeeeh!