OMG! Artificial Sun!!!

I just heart on the Chinese State-run television talking about their newly build NUCLEAR FUSION reactor --- the "Artificial Sun"

It is a project build by the Chinese Academy of Sciense. It will provide INFINITE amount of energy once completed, and now is in its final testing stage.

It is the FIRST and ONLY nuclear fusion reactor in the world and now is almost complete!



I've heard that the US was trying to build a Fusion reactor some years ago and have failed, because they can't make it stable and can't keep the progress continuous.

this reminds me of Doctor Octopus in the Spiderman2 movie.

Some CRAZY tech they build! I wounder if this one will work.

Here is a good website on this fusion reactor:
news.xinhuanet.com...
and some pics from that website:








I am trying to imagine what "infinite amount of energy" is like, and what may happen in case this fusion thing fails........>.<

[edit on 27-3-2006 by warset]

Is there an article attached to this? I'll Google it and see what comes up.

[edit on 3/27/2006 by Thinker_1]

Here's a link to an article from January about this. Google turns up a few links:
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It's from this website, but it's in Chinese.
So, warset, if you found the picture, could you share more info from the site?

www.ah.xinhuanet.com...

news.xinhuanet.com...

found this in english.
Hope they dont blow the planet up.

All sustainable Fusion reactors will provide unlimitless energy "once complete".
The catch is in the completing of the reactor.
Sometimes known as keeping the genie in the bottle..the magnetic bottle.

I assume that the Reactor we're talking is ITER, China is a partner in it, along with EU, USA, Russia, India, Japan...
And it's going to be built into Cadarache, France and once completed it should produce more energy than it consumes (about 10 times more)

I wouldn't take seriously claims of an all chinese reactor... no one country can do it

to all interested in the ramifications of this technology if uncontrolled -

what would be the practical uses of such a technology, theoretically speaking of course, if one were to have unlimited energy, then -

-could this reactor power the whole worlds electrical needs?
-could the chinese produce a particle beam weapon to destroy metoers of the moon as in Star Wars' Death Star beam weapon?
-does this reacotr produce a strong magnetic field?
-if so, does it bend space and time?
-how strong a field would it produce?
-could it draw the moon closer or meteors out of orbit?
-if it explodes will it produce a black hole?

In the end, will the chinese destroy mankind?

This sort of technology should be control by the international community for the benefit of mankind and to control anyone country from accidently destroying this planet and/or solar system


melbourne_militia

Sorry the Europeans beat them too it by a few decades.

J.E.T, the Joint European Torus is the largest nuclear fusion experimental reactor yet built. Construction was started in 1978 and The first experiments began in 1983.

Theres a few other ones and they are all testbeds nobody has got fusion reactors to work right yet. So theirs isnt the first or only nuclear fusion reactor but they will be joining a small club.

They could perhaps make the first one that actually functions as a real reactor though only time will tell.

en.wikipedia.org...

-could this reactor power the whole worlds electrical needs?
NO, You would need many reactors

-could the chinese produce a particle beam weapon to destroy metoers of the moon as in Star Wars' Death Star beam weapon?
They could use this as a powersource Yes, but they could do it with conventional fission reactor too

-does this reacotr produce a strong magnetic field?
Yes, it uses supercooled magnets to control the plasma flow inside the reactor Torus

-if so, does it bend space and time?
NO

-how strong a field would it produce?
Fields remain inside the reactor

-could it draw the moon closer or meteors out of orbit?
NO

-if it explodes will it produce a black hole?
NO, the operating principle is similar to that of sun, but the scale is so different that it cannot generate blackholes etc. an it actally cannot explode (the way fission plants can)

ShadowXIX:
ITER is the most high tech project going on in fusion field ATM, it SHOULD be stable and produce energy when finished.

more info on ITER

www.iter.org...

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
-could this reactor power the whole worlds electrical needs?

Not a single reactor but fusion energy would be a essentially inexhaustible energy source and environmentally benign. If it works as they claim it would overnight pretty much make all other forms of energy production obsolete.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
-does this reacotr produce a strong magnetic field?

It has too these things can run millions of times hotter then our sun. No known material can contain such heat only magnetic fields that keep it from touching anything solid. That in its self is very tricky people that work on these reactors said it like trying to hold jello with rubber bands.

I would regard the J.E.T as the most advanced fussion research project. Not only do J.E.T posses the largest fussion research facilicty in the world, they also hold the world record of 16MW fusion power.

Originally posted by northwolf
ShadowXIX:
ITER is the most high tech project going on in fusion field ATM, it SHOULD be stable and produce energy when finished.

I dont think they have even started building it yet. They argued for so long what country it was going to be built in.

I'm wondering if it could be part of the Mars terraforming reaserches (polar ice caps melting, heat the planet, magnetic field around the planet etc..)

Shadow, ITER isn't built jet true, but as i said it's a project that's going on. It's desing is mainy finished and lots of components and tools are allready made/under testing (like the welding robot for the fusion chamber that profs in my Uni are building)

Well i wouldnt say that many of the componets are allready made or undergoing testing yet. According to the plans, the designing deadline is in late 2008. And the construction & assembly part is set to end in 2012. That will give them 4 years to install the componets, before the scheduled "first plasma" start

Not quite Plug & Play yet

yep, i didn't say MOST components, but many a under construction/testing/developement and some are allready ready.

Originally posted by northwolf
I assume that the Reactor we're talking is ITER, China is a partner in it, along with EU, USA, Russia, India, Japan...
And it's going to be built into Cadarache, France and once completed it should produce more energy than it consumes (about 10 times more)

I wouldn't take seriously claims of an all chinese reactor... no one country can do it

No, it is not ITER; it is called EAST (Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak), made by the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS)

sort of like a Chinese version prototype of ITER; however EAST is already complete, unlike ITER, which is still a dream to build.
and EAST is designed to last 1000 seconds, which JET lasted less than 1 seconds, and ITER is designed to last 500 seconds.

here's a link from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 28-3-2006 by warset]

Originally posted by northwolf
Shadow, ITER isn't built jet true, but as i said it's a project that's going on. It's desing is mainy finished and lots of components and tools are allready made/under testing (like the welding robot for the fusion chamber that profs in my Uni are building)

I agree when completed it will likely the most impressive one on the planet. I just wish they would hurry it up. They bickered like little kids about which country was going to get Japan wanted in their country, France wanted in their country, everyone wanted it.

Might be why even though China is part of the ITER team they decided to build their own, Perhaps they got tired of waiting.

ITER is going to be a group project its not like which ever country gets the first reactor isnt going to share the discoveries with the others once they got it working right. Then everyone can build their own.