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Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
Im 23 now. Before I was born my rights were taken away. In the present my rights that I have left are slowly going away (or being violated by the CIC).
Ill be dead by the time I'm 100 (or so thats what science tells me). What good is patience in politics when I'll be dead waiting for it to happen? I'm supposed to be enjoying these rights NOW, not just for the future.
If we had the support to uphold the Constitution it would of happened already. Yesterday to be exact.
So really I think you have to recognize that the only way we have in restoring the Constitution is by violence. I'm not advocating that, I'm just saying thats reality. At least if you want to enjoy the freedoms in your lifetime. But that's if you think they are worth fighting for.
Originally posted by gekko
So you expect your forbearers to do the politics, and when you come around and don't like what you see, you cant wait. So you resort to violence.
Nice.
If you don't feel like the old constitution has support, who are you to impose it on others, again, using violence.
I don't have to recognize any of your opinions mate.
I am fighting. But with a pen, not a gun.
You are 23. This is exactly the time for you to get involved. Get organized, take action, fight! But for gods sake, put this violence crap on the shelf until YOU have exhausted every other option.
/rant
Remember, any implement of war can be used for giving life as well as death.
Peace.
g
Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
Actually my forbearers fought for their freedom. They didnt win their freedoms in politics. They were victors in battle and they drafted their freedom for themselves to enjoy. They were soldiers who had earned their right to write the Constituion.
Who are you to impose your government on me? That was a hypocritical statement.
You dont recognize my opinion that politics are useless. I dont recognize your opinion that politics are more effective then violence. Fair enough.
If people need me to enlighten them on how great the US Constitution is then they were'nt worth the time to begin with. I'd rather see them in battle.
Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
Im 23 now. Before I was born my rights were taken away.
In the present my rights that I have left are slowly going away (or being violated by the CIC).
Ill be dead by the time I'm 100 (or so thats what science tells me). What good is patience in politics when I'll be dead waiting for it to happen? I'm supposed to be enjoying these rights NOW, not just for the future.
If we had the support to uphold the Constitution it would of happened already. Yesterday to be exact.
So really I think you have to recognize that the only way we have in restoring the Constitution is by violence.
Originally posted by gekko
Violence will only breed more violence.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
So, what do you wish to do now that you can't do.
And have you trying doing this thing yet? Or are you just reading from conspiricy sites that you can't do it so you don't even try?
Originally posted by shot messenger
a house divided against itself cannot stand.
A George, divided against itself, Cannot Stand!
Originally posted by shot messenger
The founders of the great country america were in reality traitors to the tyrant kingdom, and terrorist methods needed to be used by the founders of america to secure the blessings of liberty.
BE NOT AFRAID TO BECOME A TERRORIST, BECAUSE THE FOUNDING FATHERS LED A TERRORIST REVOLUTION TO CREATE THE GREAT AMERICA.
Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
Immigration laws are not enforced. Laws are supposed to be enforced. The federal government is supposed to provide money to enforce the laws.
Provide money to the State Militias.
We have arms control. My right to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.
We have laws that make it illegal to "uphold the constitution" by violence, or to advocate that practice.
That is against what this country was supposed to be. It spits on the declaration of independance.
....whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying the foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safty and happiness....
We have a right to revolt and uphold the laws.
We have unlawful surveilance conducted by the government. Their idea of reasonable and my idea of reasonable are obviously two different things. We are supposed to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure without probable cause AND a court order. Police will search you without court orders but rather just on probabale cause. The Constitution requires both a court order AND probable cause.
The government is supposed to control the money.
We were never supposed to only have a two party system. Democrats and REpublicans have monopolized politics.
The President never had any powers other then to address the union and to command the military. And to appoint officers.
The federal government does not have the powers to make laws. The only law making power they have is to determine our taxes, laws that affect interstate commerce, and international law. Instead the federal government is our chief law maker in almost all aspects. DOmestic violence, arms control, terrorism, the military laws, environment, etc, etc, etc. These are all State rights.
We are not supposed to have a standing army. We are supposed to have State Militias. Each State being responsible for it's own security.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States......
We give foreign aid with money we don't have. If you are in debt that means you have no money to spend.
We will give more foreign aid each year then it requires to run an entire State for a year. We have budget problems for our educational system, but Israel has no problem fielding a modern army with US Aid. That is wrong.
We have free trade agreements. Taxes and Tariffs are supposed to be our revenue.
The FBI, ATF, CIA are all supposed to be State agencies. The FBI, ATF, and CIA are only supposed to be enforcing international laws.
Our States are supposed to have their own mini countries, not centralized powers in a federal government.
Too much centralized power in the federal government.
THere are more reasons, I hope you get the idea. Most of those problems are major and could constitute a reason to fight and die for. Especially the 2nd Amendment and decentralizing power in the federal government. And the militia is also important.
Like I said why to to educate people through politics? Why should I have patience?
Violence would be the only thing to rectify the problems I highlighted.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
The immigration situation is way more complicated than you're making it out to be but let me ask you.
Which immigration law isn't being enforced?
What do you think the National Guard is?
lol
Arms control laws are for protection. How could you possibly have a problem with that? You would let criminals or young kids be able to buy any kind of gun they want?
That's because we lived in a civilized society. I would leave this country if they make murder legal.
You obviously haven't read either then.
DOI:
....whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying the foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safty and happiness....
Where does it say we should overthrow the government by violence?
By trying to overthrow the gov. by violence you would only cause chaos during and after such an event. How is that establishing safty and happiness?
And again, if you don't know what's going on now, or know how countries work, what do you think is going to happen if by chance you were actually successful.
There's nothing in the constitution advocating violence or gives Americans the right to violently overthrow the government.
?
...and it does....
It's not illegal, but that doesnt mean I agree with it. The politicians are all pawns for other people who may not have America in their best interest. Or as long as they can control the money and politics. When all you have is one democrat and one republican running for President or Senate, it makes voting kind of mute. I mean do we have even one representative who isnt a democrat or republican? I dont think we do.
That's just the way things are now. There's absolutely nothing illegal with two dominate parties. We don't have just a two party system, but even if we did, there's nothing illegal about that.
www.presidentsusa.net...
No, these are all national issues.
Some of the decisions that were made by John Marshall and the Supreme Court were so that the congress would be the chief lawmaker. Federal laws have always carried more weight than state laws under the constitution.
We've been in debt since the founding of this country and it was partly done on purpose. Do a bit of research when Washington/Alexander Hamilton and the Federalists were in power.
Wait...so...the education system is a federal thing and not a state thing now?
We give aid to certain countries for different reasons. Stratigic and specific reasons.
lol
State agencies enforcing international laws?
Are you joking?
Neither were ever meant to be a State agencies anyway. All were meant to enforce federal laws and/or to protect from international and domestic crimes against the US.
Why do you think we have the Constitution? Why do you think the Articles of Confederation failed?
It failed because each state being their own "mini countries" was not working and was never going to work! There's no way that could have worked. That's why our founding fathers framed the constitution. So we would have a more centralized government!
Take that up with the founding fathers.
You're willing to fight and die over something you obviously don't fully understand or have done research on?
You think things will change overnight?
Do you think there won't be a government after your phantom revolution? They're going to have to deal with politics then won't they?
Violence would only cause things to get worse. If you think otherwise, then you're sorely undereducated.
Lets make a bet in the next year that my 2nd Amendment rights are not restored.
The National Guard might be called the organized militia but it is not structured the same as the original organized militias were. The organized militia has been completely disbanded, instead we have a federalized national guard. The National guard is not completely under State control anymore.
Where did I ever say I was willing to fight and die for anything?
Originally posted by shot messenger
Clearly, it is no secret that it is too late for America. We were attacked from within by our own on 9/11 and it was clearly a silent coup.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I will talk about a couple things though...
Lets make a bet in the next year that my 2nd Amendment rights are not restored.
First tell us what in the 2nd amendment has been taken away?
The National Guard might be called the organized militia but it is not structured the same as the original organized militias were. The organized militia has been completely disbanded, instead we have a federalized national guard. The National guard is not completely under State control anymore.
I just want to say that this part actually made me laugh out loud.
I'd like to see where you keep coming up with this stuff.
It's so flat out wrong, that it has to be done on purpose.
Where did I ever say I was willing to fight and die for anything?
You're sitting up here complaining about the government and talking about how it needs to be changed. You're sitting up here telling everyone that the only way it's going to change is through force.
Yet you're sitting up here telling me that you're just going to sit back and watch the show? You're not even willing to fight?
Then what in the world are you complaining for!??!!??!?
Ugh, that's one of my pet peeves....
Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
You cannot manufacture automatic weapons. Only machine guns that were made before 1986 can be sold. Which has made them rare and skyrocketed the price to be unaffordable to the adverage American.
You need destructive device permits for things like automatic weapons, grenades, rockets, missiles. Costing hundreds of dollars per destructive device.
Rockets and Missiles cannot be manufactured without approval from the Attorney General (and in that case needs to be for government use).
Domestic Violence misdemeanor offenders lose their 2nd Amendment rights despite only commiting misdemeanor crimes.
Some States do not issue concealed handgun permits. Which means people cannot carry firearms on their person, leaving them vulnerable to crime and death.
Most of the other States do not issue handgun permits to most people. Some States will issue you a permit and even allow you to carry your gun in open. Why some State's discriminate against the 2nd Amendment and some dont shows why politics fail. People interpret things for their own ideals despite what the Constitution says.
Why dont you tell me what is wrong with it instead of just saying "It was so wrong it made me laugh".
Read your history.
I'm was onlysaying that for any change to happen in my lifetime to bring the country back to the way it was before 1900 would only come around with violence. I just see that as reality. I could be wrong. I highlighted some of the major problems I personally seen with the country and how I felt the government was overstepping it's power.
Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
I think this poster broke numerous federal laws by trying to incite the overthrow of the government and promoting terrorism. That's if he is a US citizen.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
You cannot manufacture automatic weapons. Only machine guns that were made before 1986 can be sold. Which has made them rare and skyrocketed the price to be unaffordable to the adverage American.
You need destructive device permits for things like automatic weapons, grenades, rockets, missiles. Costing hundreds of dollars per destructive device.
Rockets and Missiles cannot be manufactured without approval from the Attorney General (and in that case needs to be for government use).
Domestic Violence misdemeanor offenders lose their 2nd Amendment rights despite only commiting misdemeanor crimes.
Are you complaining about this????
What in the world would be the purpose or what in the world could you possibly benefit from being able to buy missiles or create nukes???
Some States do not issue concealed handgun permits. Which means people cannot carry firearms on their person, leaving them vulnerable to crime and death.
1. You're "vulernable" to crime and death period. Guns don't stop that
2. Do you honestly think because people can conceal weapons that would stop criminals??
You need a serious reality check
Most of the other States do not issue handgun permits to most people. Some States will issue you a permit and even allow you to carry your gun in open. Why some State's discriminate against the 2nd Amendment and some dont shows why politics fail. People interpret things for their own ideals despite what the Constitution says.
Here you go again.
You keep saying States should be able to do what they want.
But then you say States shouldn't be able to do what they want.
Make up your mind.
And how is that showing how politics fails? The consitution just says you can own a gun.
Why dont you tell me what is wrong with it instead of just saying "It was so wrong it made me laugh".
Read your history.
No YOU read your history. Every State still has a militia ALONG with the National Guard. The National Guard isn't structured like the original because this is the 21st century!! It's 10000x more organized. And the Guard IS completely controlled by the States unless called upon by the President as stated in the Constitution.
I'm was onlysaying that for any change to happen in my lifetime to bring the country back to the way it was before 1900 would only come around with violence. I just see that as reality. I could be wrong. I highlighted some of the major problems I personally seen with the country and how I felt the government was overstepping it's power.
You must be rich and white.
Those are the only people would could possibly want this country to be as backwards as it was in 1900.
Man, you have a lot to learn. You're still young so there's hope for you.