ATS: 911 Scholars for Truth Member Murdered

Anyways, i feel sorry for this man's family, they had to watch as a gangmember/mugger/lunatic/ebe/007/government agent/OBL/Mosad agent/Oswald/Communists/terrorist/insurgent/etc, etc, or whoever else I haven't thought of... killed their son, and brother in front of them. That has to be one of the worse things that could happen to a mother, and a sister. Really sad.


[edit on 27-3-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
Anyways, i feel sorry for this man's family, they had to watch as some gangmember killed their son, and brother in front of them. That has to be one of the worse things that could happen to a mother, and a sister. Really sad.

I'm sorry Mauddib, I may have missed the link, or news stating otherwise, but as I undertood things, the killer(s) are still at large. Why are you asserting that "some gangmember" was the killer? It could have just been a couple of Muggers totally unconnected to any Gang. It could have been something far more sinister. What about that "Deny Ignorance" slogan plastered everywhere around here, Huh?

Oh yeah, my bad I should have named everything and everyone that could have committed this crime.....

There changed...better now?....

He was also home on Spring break. I mean, if this was a hit, why do it on familiar territory to the victim? Why not do it when he is away at school? And I see no evidence anywhere that this guy was going to blow 9/11 wide open so I still feel that this is a tragic shooting.

Maybe it was the same guys who shot Biggie and 2Pac?

Originally posted by Muaddib
Oh yeah, my bad I should have named everything and everyone that could have committed this crime.....

There changed...better now?....

Childish, Muadibb, childish nonsense. No, you obviously did not have to go back and list all of the People, things, or Animals that could have killed him; you could have just edited out your pure assertion that a Gang member killed him, because you don't know that one did. You could have just said "...It's sad that this man was murdered in front of his family...etc etc", you did not need to throw in a complete piece of fiction that a gang member was responsible, and then get all stupid and childish about it when I call you out on it. What possible good can come from you making up parts of the stories on ATSNN, Muaddib?

Originally posted by Muaddib

Are you being paid by the Communists billybob?.....

a little. i get tax breaks by buying retirement savings stocks and bonds. i usually get a refund.
i'm not a communist, in the marxist sense. i might be considered a communist in that i believe in the common sense of community.
but, then, what i really am, is libertarian, or anarchist, even. decentralised power is the least corrupt.

would you agree that the problem with communism, is that too much power is held by too few?

i can produce paystubs for my tax returns, if this ever goes to a court of law. the government of canada is paying me(well, robbing me slightly less)! ARE THEY COMMUNIST!?!?

The dialectic of capitalism and communism leading to socialism has been hijacked by the illuminati. Just like this thread appears to have been.

I never said it was a black op, just that you couldn't rule it out. Choosing a student activist for the example, if it is a black op, makes sense, in that, as I previously stated, student activist groups historically pose the greatest threat to the implementation of fascist strategies in America.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

video from NBC, KARE 11


matches the vehicle description and perp description
arrested after running several red lights
3 suspects tossed three loaded weapons from car
fleeing from police not far from the shooting
it's POSSIBLE that these three are connected, according to police
little is being said by minneapolis police to connect the two.

another local news, WCCO, has more facts

She said that although the shooting is a tragedy, it was very unusual and similar crimes rarely happen in that area.

For an area filled with around-the-clock visitors and residents, Saturday's violence is shattering. Residents and businesses said police presence isn't an issue in Uptown.

Police said on Saturday night, Zebuhr was walking to a parked car with family members, when robbers approached them and demanded his mother's purse. She gave it to the gunmen without any resistance.

One gunman shot Zebuhr twice in the head. Police said the shooting appeared to be cold-blooded and unprovoked.

Police are hoping for a break in the case. Several security cameras were pointed in the direction where the shooting happened and police are now reviewing those tapes.

Uptown's usual upbeat atmosphere remains on edge with no suspects in the case.

no suspects, huh?

shot TWICE in the head, huh?

[edit on 27-3-2006 by billybob]

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
The dialectic of capitalism and communism leading to socialism has been hijacked by the illuminati. Just like this thread appears to have been.

.............

Oh, so now we are also illuminati....

This is really getting old people.... Let me give you a piece of advice.... Just because people disagree with you, it doesn't mean they must be government agents or illuminati.....

Unless you have evidence that just because people disagree with your views, "they must be illuminaty" or "government agents" you are just pulling a straw man's argument...if it can even be called that...

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
The dialectic of capitalism and communism leading to socialism has been hijacked by the illuminati. Just like this thread appears to have been.

.............

Oh, so now we are also illuminati....

who are 'we'? i thought 'we'(icarus and myself) were talking to 'you', not ,'youse guys'?

you're not like those gremlins that have population explosions when you throw them in the pool, are you?

would you agree that the problem with communism is too much power in the hands of too few?

Originally posted by billybob

who are 'we'? i thought 'we'(icarus and myself) were talking to 'you', not ,'youse guys'?

you're not like those gremlins that have population explosions when you throw them in the pool, are you?

would you agree that the problem with communism is too much power in the hands of too few?

Am i the only one who differs in your view on this topic?....

I can remember a couple other members who also disagree with you....

And the problem with Communism is that it will never work... You can't have a million people being in power, because then they'll never get anything done as they discuss what to do how to do it, etc, etc.

Communism is bound to fail nomatter how many times it is tried.

Where do you get are from appears? Oh, I see now. You leave stuff out and twist it around. Nice tactic.

I never said it was a black op, just that you couldn't rule it out.
That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just restating my opinion. Yours is just as revealing, I mean valid, as mine.

Don't bring me down, Bruce.

Originally posted by Muaddib

Am i the only one who differs in your view on this topic?....

no.

Originally posted by Muaddib
I can remember a couple other members who also disagree with you....

my bad.

Originally posted by Muaddib
And the problem with Communism is that it will never work... You can't have a million people being in power, because then they'll never get anything done as they discuss what to do how to do it, etc, etc.

i thought that was democracy? democracy will never work?
so, you are for centralizzed control, and against the public having a real say in how things are run?
okay. communism will never work.

Communism is bound to fail nomatter how many times it is tried.

china's doing pretty well with it.

bound to fail, unlike the amazing success rate of black-ops.

so is lying bound to fail. a million lies will smash into tiny fragments when clashing with truth.
the problem is, as mark twain said, 'a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on it's shoes'.
well, the truth is always putting on it's shoes.

Originally posted by Code_Burger

Childish, Muadibb, childish nonsense.

Look...you are the last person who should be saying who is being childish around here, so keep your demeaning comments to yourself, unless you have something valuable to add....

Originally posted by Code_Burger
What possible good can come from you making up parts of the stories on ATSNN, Muaddib?

WTH....what part did I make up?.... couldn't it have been a gangmember?.... even the description would make anyone believe there is a possibility it was done by gangmembers, or street thugs if you want to be picky...... I narrowed down the list, but I didn't make anything up. You didn't like my comment, so sue me...I wasn't insulting you.

[edit on 28-3-2006 by Muaddib]

Well, we may never know what happened, but speculation is not a crime. It is realistic to believe this incident is darker than a mere everyday violent statistic because of his involvement with the 911 Scholars for Truth, as he would be a much easier (to write off) target than the more high profile professors.

When you compare it to something like say Ron Brown's death in the air crash and his bullet wound in the head you see how quickly everyone who cries "foul" can collect evidence to support why Brown would be assassinated, and why the aircraft going down, no black box, lost tapes in the control tower and bullet wound in the head validates it as a possible act of assignation, and the obvious attempts to cover-up the entire ordeal lends validity to it as well as a conspiracy.

However, it doesn't matter as Brown died and was silenced so he couldn't "take everyone down with me" as he had threatened days before when faced with his pending investigation-so the assassination conspiracy theories that followed were worth the assassination.

Nothing could be proven, it was obvious there was foul play, but Brown was silenced-so he could never implicate anyone, nor could his assassination validate anything more than he had known *something* that could have indicated many people including the President-so it was all worth the following investigations, speculations, and conspiracy theories.

However, when weighing the pros and cons of things in this 911 Scholars for Truth scenario, if you (as a govt damage control unit or hit agency) are going to be smart and want to shut up some high profile professors involved in revealing a high profile covet conspiracy, WITHOUT ringing alarm bells that would prove to validate their cause by so doing...you are going to do something easy, clean and seemingly random and statistically possible, and not going to do a hit that is going to stir up more controversy and speculation than necessary

...so an ordinary mugging, random act of violence for a kid home, with parents is a perfect scenario. Primo! I mean, it's obviously better then if he was walking out of a building after a conspiracy convention with the other Scholars for Truth...he was instead in this scenario just some kid with his parents who suffered the twist of fate of a routine mugging turning randomly violent.

It is the easiest, and best way in my opinion, to make an example by taking out this kid in a very public way, in a very obvious way so as to make it appear as random violence as is speculated here.

This way all the on looking conspiracy theorists (us)can be reasonably silenced by the simplicity of random violence statistics, and/or appeased by the the nature of the act being seen as a mugging going awry, or made to look foolish if they suppose it could be anything more sinister, thus making 911 conspiracy theorists in general seem like Chicken Littles who jump at accusing "everything" on a conspiracy.

...all the while the message to the other 911 Scholars being clearly made.

It really is perfection.



[edit on 28-3-2006 by think2much]

I am on the black op side of the fence on this one - Any doubts just look at all the micro biologists who have been 'robbed then killed' and the killers never caught, or all of the anti goverment people who have been involved in 'gang robberies and end up dead'. Its a favorite of theirs that sends a message and yet remains hidden in plain view. they win either way.

A sad thing to happen to some one who hunted for nothing more than the truth.

Originally posted by billybob

i thought that was democracy? democracy will never work?
so, you are for centralizzed control, and against the public having a real say in how things are run?

Are you out of your mind?...

First of all buster, the United States is a Representative Republic, perhaps you should find out what that means.

Second of all, read what I posted, I said Communism would never work.... in Communism a group of people get in charge, having all the power, without the people having any power at all, and these elite people supposedly stay in power untill all the public can wield that power.....which will never happen, because, 1.) the small group who have total control at first will not be willing to give it away. 2.) Giving the power to all the people will never work, because all the citizens of a country will have different opinions...

BTW billy, there is a difference between Democracy, and what Communism "is supposed to do but never does"....

In Democracy a majority of people who agree on issues are in control, since we are in a Representative Republic, we give the power to the Representatives.... That is a far cry from "all the people will be in power" as Communism claims it will do...

Originally posted by billybob
okay. communism will never work.

It has shown throughout history that it does not work.

BTW...you have said that it works on China... You want to go to China billybob?...they are still executing people for being too Democratic, for being religious and for other reasons... and of course a site like this one would immediately be shot down and several of it's members would be put to prison....including myself for speaking against the crimes that China has committesd.... I am sure they will welcome you with open arms....

Originally posted by billybob
china's doing pretty well with it.

bound to fail, unlike the amazing success rate of black-ops.

Which is your opinion and doesn't mean it's the truth....

Originally posted by billybob
so is lying bound to fail. a million lies will smash into tiny fragments when clashing with truth.

and so are crazy theories that do not hold to the scrutiny of intelligent people, no matter how many fantasies you want to add to your story....

The evidence seems to match up, that this crime was committed, probably by those three the police stopped, if not, it was done by two men probably similar to those three the police stopped... There are a lot of those in the streets of the United States, and there are a lot of those in the streets of every country in the world, except maybe China where people are shot in the head even if the evidence is circumstantial, or just if the judge believes you are a danger to the CCP...

[edit on 28-3-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Code_Burger

Childish, Muadibb, childish nonsense.

Look...you are the last person who should be saying who is being childish around here, so keep your demeaning comments to yourself, unless you have something valuable to add....

My behaviour in this thread is well within all ATS rules and guidelines, and I might add, has not been immature in the slightest. Anyone who goes back and reads what you or I have written in this thread will most likely come to the same conclusion.

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Code_Burger
What possible good can come from you making up parts of the stories on ATSNN, Muaddib?

WTH....what part did I make up?.... couldn't it have been a gangmember?.... even the description would make anyone believe there is a possibility it was done by gangmembers, or street thugs if you want to be picky...... I narrowed down the list, but I didn't make anything up. You didn't like my comment, so sue me...I wasn't insulting you.

Yeah, of course there is possibility Gang members or street thugs committed this murder, but the fact remains you weren't highlighting a possibility, you were stating it as fact.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Anyways, i feel sorry for this man's family, they had to watch as some gangmember killed their son, and brother in front of them. That has to be one of the worse things that could happen to a mother, and a sister. Really sad.

See? You took a pure assertion that a gang member was responsible and brandished it in your little conclusion here as if it had actually happened. Why? When I confronted you about this earlier, you went back and sarcastically edited in a load of stupid possibilities, like a child in an uncontrollable temper snot (and you had the audacity to call me childish?).

Nobody knows who is responsible here, I doubt, but there is nothing wrong with saying what you think happened. When people start championing assertion as truth, though, that's a whole different matter.

Good day to you, Sir.


EDIT: Muadibb, I just read your post above this one... Since you decided to play Mod with me the other day, and tell me to stay on topic (even though I was); I would just like to remind you this thread is not about Communism, and that you ought to remain on topic. Nice deviation though, it was quite fantastic.


[edit on 28-3-2006 by Code_Burger]

The kid was shot, it was a mugging, that is all folks. What was so important that this kid was working on that would cause the gov't to follow him home on spring break, wait till he goes out to eat with his family, and then kill him in front of dozens of witnesses. This is a poorly executed robbery performed by more than likely a twitchy fingered junkie. agangbanger, or maybe even a stupid, nervous 17 y/o kid.

However, it makes no operational sense to plan an execution in that way. Find out if he goes hiking where he goes to school, or biking, or something where he does an activity alone. That is when you kill someone, and leave no evidence. You do not gun down someone on a street in Minnesota. New york maybe, and people would look the other way, but minnesota?