Nazis registered descendants of witches and sorcerers ?

Nygdan, first- Nimrod ruled in an EXTREMELY early period of human history, it is quite difficult to find evidence on well known rulers such as Belshazzar and Solomon who existed much more recently, imagine Nimrod. Second, Nimrod wasn't his real name, that's just a title meaning "rebel". Third, I invite you to examine the cosmologies of Mesoamerica. Compare them with those of the Northmen. The basic archtypes are all there, the creation myths and hierarchy of Gods is exactly the same, the main figures of the pantheon are identical in all aspects, I used to Votan example since if you research the ancient world beliefs with care you can easily trace an enormous number of cognates and so forth which denote a common source. Most scholars now claim Hinduism and the Vedas were probably the original source (Zoroastrianism was believed to be the first religion, later it just became a "point" creed in the ladder). I believe Nimrod and the events before the flood were the key sources.

So it's irrelevent that laws are ignored, twisted, changed to keep Ratzinger from serious charges. I can't remember the details now but there was a short lived thread on ATS about it, full of Catholic defending, Christian mocking posters.

Has anyone noticed how often mods. and others will jump in to defend the Catholic Church as 'Christian' and tell Christians they're wrong, because of doctrines of the Catholic Church, that those very Christians reject?

Wasn't Spain Catholic when their famous Inquisition started hunting down witches? Even back then Christians called for judgement to be left to God in His mercy, and suffered the same fate as the witches for it.

funkydung
The building of the City and Tower of Babel! The beginning of the civilization of this world!
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Cities were developing long before there was a city of babylon, and the 'tower of babel', if anything, is just the tall temple that was in babylon.
with the sacrifice of their children




true i think even before man, but this was the first one where man set themselves against god. where man made his own rules and put away the laws of god. that was the purpose for the tower..it provided a common religious center for the people but it was to worship nimrod..the builders of the tower were in open defiance of god (genesis 9:1)
its where the government of man was established.

The most complete secular record is that found in the Akkadian Creation Epic. It is reproduced in "Ancient Near Eastern Texts", by James B. Pritchard, pages 68-69. This account, like most from ancient pagan sources, is encrusted with myth. But that does not nullify the basic historical evidence contained in the epic. Following are extracts, freely translated, from the Epic of Creation concerning the building of the City and the Tower of Babel. A vague recollection of the Supreme God is discernable.


"'Now, O lord, thou who hast caused our deliverance,
What shall be our homage to thee?
Let us build a shrine ....'
Brightly glowed his features, like the day:
'Like that of lofty Babylon, whose building you have requested,
Let its brickwork be fashioned. You shall name it "The Sanctuary"'
For one whole year they molded the bricks.
When the second year arrived,
They raised high the shrine equaling a great height.
Having built a stage-tower a great height,
They set up in it an abode for Marduk, Enlil, and Ea.
"This is Babylon, the place that is your home' ...'"

The account in Genesis describes exactly what is given here -- the building of a Tower, or religious edifice, and of a City.





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to this day and all thru history, man has marched to this kind of government and religion including the nazis and other well known political parties and major religious movements..some religious movements even claim they are christians but do not teach truth, this is part of the spirit of nimrod(or antichrist) not only does he defy god but acts like him to just to decieve....most of the time you can look for the sun symbol or an eye(represents the sun) he puts it out there in the open for all of us to see...... the most powerful men on this planet know exactly who is in control and have been following him since he built this city. who nimrod? sorta....the one who gave him his power. the angel of light. nimrod would have been nothing without that. hitler was a powerful man, but just like the others, call them what you want, are just bodies in a very big game. you know the game right?? most people dont know the real deal. people may crack jokes about a book called the bible and talk about there is no truth in it but its author is not from this world and is a bit more powerful than they realize. the reason for the misunderstanding of the ancient writings?

the natural man cant understand the things of the spirit: they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

spirit is outside this pysical world. man will never understand it or the bible until, what the bible calls, being born again. once we tap into that spirit, only then can we see and understand what is going on. we will see the truth. nimrod was one of the first of many to gather man together against their creator. to this day it is in full force. the new world order will be the final empire to stand up to the creator. who will be in charge? who do you think? everything mankind has been taught has been to decieve and maniputlate to keep you from the truth. this is why the christ tells us....

the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." 1 John 5:19

"...do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, Romans 12:2



so witches and sorcerers have been part of pretty much all of mankinds governments including the ones today. if you want, you can do research from babylon to present day and find the sun god running thru the veins of the empires of this earth past and present. sad but true




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Originally posted by Funkydung

so witches and sorcerers have been part of pretty much all of mankinds governments including the ones today. if you want, you can do research from babylon to present day and find the sun god running thru the veins of the empires of this earth past and present. sad but true

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Australia's National Capitol, has the largest population of witches, according to the censes. This is the case in many Internationally important cities around the world, for the very reason you are describing.

What I find curious, is that though known as witches, these people retain respect from the educated power weilders, who don't accuse them of following a silly superstition, as they do of Christians.....yet so few seem to stop and wonder what that actually indicates.

This is in reply to whitelightwolfs' rubbish.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. All Nazis are Satanists!!! Any evidence to support this? No, I didn't think so.

Originally posted by Hermann


I don't think you know what you're talking about. All Nazis are Satanists!!! Any evidence to support this? No, I didn't think so.

I would say that the burden of evidence falls upon those who claim the Nazis were Satanists. Obviously, no such evidence exists, so I must agree with Whitewolf.

The definition of Satanism is the worship and honor of the Judeo-Christian devil. Because the Nazis rejected Judeo-Christian beliefs due to their Semitic origins, they cannot qualify as Satanists. They would much better be described as "evil" instead of "satanist".

Originally posted by suzy ryan

Has anyone noticed how often mods. and others will jump in to defend the Catholic Church as 'Christian' and tell Christians they're wrong, because of doctrines of the Catholic Church, that those very Christians reject?

I've never seen any mods here tell anyone they're right or wrong due to religious beliefs. Some have certainly stepped up to the plate to combat outright bigotry, which is an integral part of denying ignorance. It doesn't matter one iota what Catholics believe or practice, as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others.

Also, you ignore the fact that Catholicism is not only Christian, but, along with the Eastern Orthodox, is the largest and oldest sect of Christianity.

Wasn't Spain Catholic when their famous Inquisition started hunting down witches? Even back then Christians called for judgement to be left to God in His mercy, and suffered the same fate as the witches for it.

The Roman Church does have a history of issuing religious persecution. So do the Protestants. Who can forget Calvin, the tyrant of Geneva, or Cromwell, military dictator of England?

ML, you ignor the fact that any body of people can call themselves Christian, but if they teach you what Christ said not to, they ain't.

I was born and married into the Catholic Church. As a child I got in trouble for praying to Jesus instead of to Mary, long dead asleep in the grave. Everything I got in trouble for was following God's Word instead of Catholic Doctrine.

As to the attitude of more than a few here, they do mock Christianity for concepts like, going to heaven when you die (which Christians constantly remind them is not what The Word teaches, rather, all the dead sleep untill the resurrection) but quickly jump in to 'defend' Catholisism at the first hint of perceived insult, forgetting(?) they insult Christians by mocking dogmas that are Catholic.

It's hard to write a clear, short explaination of the tactic of the Pro-Catholic/Anti-Christian folk, because it is the tactic of confussion.

Using history to faith bash, we always hear about the 'Christian' Crusades, but when the Catholic Inquisition does come up, it's called the Spanish Inquisition or the Christian Witch Hunts. This is NO ACCIDENT.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
As a child I got in trouble for praying to Jesus instead of to Mary, long dead asleep in the grave. Everything I got in trouble for was following God's Word instead of Catholic Doctrine.

I have no choice but to doubt the accuracy of your statement. If you're indeed telling the truth about "getting in trouble for praying to Jesus", then obviously, that's not Catholicism, since practicing Catholics pray to Jesus daily.

As for "God's Word", I assume you mean the Holy Bible, which of course was assembled by the Catholic Church in the first place.

As to the attitude of more than a few here, they do mock Christianity for concepts like, going to heaven when you die (which Christians constantly remind them is not what The Word teaches, rather, all the dead sleep untill the resurrection) but quickly jump in to 'defend' Catholisism at the first hint of perceived insult, forgetting(?) they insult Christians by mocking dogmas that are Catholic.

I'm not sure what you mean: do you mean that you believe in "soul sleep", and are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

Using history to faith bash, we always hear about the 'Christian' Crusades, but when the Catholic Inquisition does come up, it's called the Spanish Inquisition or the Christian Witch Hunts. This is NO ACCIDENT.

I think most people are aware that Catholicism has been used as an excuse for violence and persecution. As mentioned, Protestantism isn't entirely innocent either.

ML, you are aware some catholics are more obsessed with mary than others, such were my eastern european family. I never cottened on to her as the first stop for intersession but was concidered 'pridefull' to go straight to Jesus and still can't get passed the first 3 lines of Hail Mary. For all this and more, I got in trouble.

As Jesus makes clear, the Spirit sleeps in death, not 'soul', as that is the breath of (mortal)life. We're all born and die once. We're all resurrected once (two stages, beginning and end of Christ's 1000yr. reign) after which some will still chose the second, permanant death becoming nought but ash. No one is condemned at first death as all must know the whole truth before they can knowingly reject The Holy Spirit.

We can be 'conceived' in The Holy Spirit in this life but aren't 'born again' in full measure of The Holy Spirit 'till after resurrection.

I keep the 7th day Sabbath but have never belonged to any such church org. or group. Self study (Holy Spirit) took me there.

Christ is The Word. He opens The Bible, which is full of advice on how not to have the truth twisted out of it, such as constantly, deeply studying all His Creation and how to spot a lie.

Sorry. I'm tired and in answering ML I forgot the topic was witches and Nazis, but here's a point to concider; the only unforgivable sin is to deny the Holy Spirit. Who's more likely to do that than occultists who believe they are tapped into a more powerfull 'spirit'? Not suffering a witch to live, happens during Christs 1000 yr. reign when He will not allow His newly born children to be spiritually attacked as they grow to prepare the way for the second resurrection of His new born babes.

The God I know and love is too perfect for us imperfect children to fear we'll be mis-judged by Him. He will correct all imbalance(we caused by repeatedly following The Opposer) with perfect justice because He is perfect love.

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Originally posted by suzy ryan
ML, you are aware some catholics are more obsessed with mary than others, such were my eastern european family. I never cottened on to her as the first stop for intersession but was concidered 'pridefull' to go straight to Jesus and still can't get passed the first 3 lines of Hail Mary. For all this and more, I got in trouble.

My point is that a belief system which claims it's "prideful" to "go straight to Jesus" is not Catholicism. Practicing Catholics pray directly to God on a daily basis.

As Jesus makes clear, the Spirit sleeps in death, not 'soul', as that is the breath of (mortal)life.

Jesus made clear no such thing. Actually, he stated quite the opposite: consider the story of Lazarus and the rich men. When the two men died, the rich man went straight to hell, while Lazarus was immediately carried into the bosom of Abraham.

Also, consider the Transfiguration, when the patriarchs, long dead in the flesh, appeared with Jesus.

Masonic light, I will have to disagree with you, what is a priest other than a substitute for Christ? What is a Saint other than a "middleman" to the real deal? What is a Pope other than a man claiming to speak for Christ on earth? Why is Mary given such a prominent role in Catholicism when she is sparsely spoken of in scriptures with Jesus Christ taking the lead always? one stumbling block after another, terrible really.

Originally posted by declair
I guess you never fell under a witches spell. You are ignorant and stupid to think it doesn't exist. The witches that were burned at Salem, Mass were found guilty of witchcraft. There were practicing black magic and were caught, found guilty and hanged. My grandfather hung them at Bald Hill and testified in his journal that he had never seen such evil as it was in Salem. To say witchcraft is a myth undermines everything between good and evil. Wake up!

You are not only ignorant, but you are also a LIAR.
First, there were no witches in Salem, it was pure chemically induced hysteria from eating ergot infected grains that caused the accusers and other members of the community to go into convulsions and hallucinate.

Second a four year old child and a bed ridden dieing old woman were condemned to death among the others. You are going to tell me they were practicing black magic?

Third of the hundred plus people accused of witchcraft, and supposedly condemned to death by your "grandfather", 24 people were murdered: 19 hanged, the others died in prison, including a newborn infant.
Thats right, if even a mite of what you say is true, then your family blood is tainted with murder and infanticide, you are marked with more evil than any of the people that were falsely "convicted of witchcraft". Your willingness to openly lie shows just what a sociopath you are.

You are sick and need to be locked away before you keep your family tradition of murdering innocent people.

Having a mother from Latinamerica and having been to her homeland and many other places dozens of times, I can safely say Witchcraft is a reality. Give me a picture of yourself, and some other personal items as well as your permission in any form of your choosing and an "accident" might happen in a few weeks if I go to the right persons don't underestimate this biz OK? My best friend once had an enemy who tried something on his father, he went to a certain person who made his living with this and when he found out he had it reverted killing the individual. It's the real deal, it happens, reading the Salem witch trials it doesn't occur to me as natural that little girls start vomiting needles and a week or so later somebody is admitting in court to causing it. Ergot is quite rare by the way, plus you don't get a high by eating ergot by itself (like getting cured from an infection by eating moldy bread thinking it has penincillin).

Originally posted by Nakash
Having a mother from Latinamerica and having been to her homeland and many other places dozens of times, I can safely say Witchcraft is a reality.

"Witchcraft" can mean different things. In popular modern usage, it can refer to Wicca and other neo-pagan religions. Traditionally, as is often the case in Latin America, it also refers to forms of shamanism. The renowned "witch doctors" were indeed among the world's first pharmicists.

Give me a picture of yourself, and some other personal items as well as your permission in any form of your choosing and an "accident" might happen in a few weeks if I go to the right persons

I, for one, wouldn't be especially worried. Certainly, the power of suggestion is a strong force, and if one actually believes that he's been cursed, he is subconsciously looking for trouble, which helps to bring it about. But those who dismiss such thing as superstitious hokum are in no danger.

It's the real deal, it happens, reading the Salem witch trials it doesn't occur to me as natural that little girls start vomiting needles and a week or so later somebody is admitting in court to causing it.

There were no supernatural occurences in Salem. The Puritans there believed in witchcraft and the devil. In their view, when someone got sick, it's not because of a virus, it's because of the devil. When crops die before harvest, it's not because the jet stream has brought a high pressure drought, it's because of the devil. Etc., etc., etc.

Everyone murdered at Salem under witchcraft charges were, of course, innocent.

Salem Witch Trials Memorial

Originally posted by whitelightwolf
Yes they did Nygdan.

Honestly, if they did, this is news to me, are you sure of this, what sources state this? Has anyone else heard this??

And yes holocaust does mean sacrifice. "Holocaust" is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire < see?

It doesn't mean sacrifice. caust is fire, holo is all. Amoung the romans, for example, a heated indoor wading pool, with the fire-chamber underneath it, is a hypocaust 'under fire'. The word holocaust is a neologism and isn't associated with sacrifice.
Actually, I think i erred above, its not greek, its latin. Apologies. I suppose greek for all fire would use 'pan'. As far as sacrifice in greek, a really huge greek sacrifice was called a hectatomb.

that DZIT DI GAII means black sun, black sun was SATANISM

I am unfamiliar with the language presented here, and why is a black sun satanic? Unless you are saying that any god other than jesus, the father, and the holy spirit is satan in disguise.

No back then, during the holocaust the nazis including the all time infamous joseph mengele created this MK ultra

I am unfamiliar iwth mengele having anything to do with MK Ultra. MK Ultra was developed later.

nakash
Nimrod ruled in an EXTREMELY early period of human history, it is quite difficult to find evidence on well known rulers such as Belshazzar and Solomon who existed much more recently, imagine Nimrod

If nimrod is associated with the ziggurats, then he is rather dateable. Nimrod is sometimes associated with Tukulti-Ninurta the First. The story that Nimrod was the wife of semiramis is apparently from Alexander Hislop, who wrote "The Two Babylons" as a smear against Catholicism.

The basic archtypes are all there

We expect archetypes to be present in distant cultures, especially if they aren't the result of diffusion but rather are myths that are passed on because they say something that resonates with the human condition, which is the same all across the earth, ie are successful 'memes', as they say.

Most scholars now claim Hinduism and the Vedas were probably the original source (Zoroastrianism was believed to be the first religion,

The development of these eastern religions is certianly complex, but it needn't require that there have been a man called Nimrod who started them, least of all in sumer. The vedas seem to be the basis upon which hinduism develops, and, as far as I understand it, zoroastrianism develops later, thought I will keep an eye torwards this line you mention.

suzy ryan
changed to keep Ratzinger from serious charges

? What charges?

Has anyone noticed how often mods. and others will jump in to defend the Catholic Church as 'Christian' and tell Christians they're wrong

I very much doubt that you've seen many moderators here 'defend' catholicism here, besides me, and that would be because I do tend to notice those anti-catholic arguements and recognize that they are generally wrong and ignorant. Case in point, catholics are christians, its abusurd to suggest that a group of people that accept christ as saviour and don't worship any other gods are somehow not christians.
I also can't help but find it ludicrous that anyone can really suggest that catholicism has twisted and corrupted christianity into some strange pagan perversion, and, yet, most protestant religions are pretty much just like catholicism, and they even use the same core of books that are recognized as canon by the catholic church. If the RCC was so evil, then it wouldn't make the least bit of sense to look at the any of the standard gospels as gospels, to say the least. Also, what exactly, theologically, has teh catholic church done that is so wrong, and inparticular what has the RCC done that hasn't also been done by the Orthodoxic Christian church? The charge of idolatry is especially, I think, ironic, because the RCC and Orthodoxic church split in part because the orthodox were using paintings and icons of the saints and religious figures, which the RCC thought was idolatrus!
In the end, catholics, orthodox, protestants, they're all, not just christians, but trinitarian christians.

? Even back then Christians called for judgement to be left to God in His mercy

And yet you judge all of catholicism and catholics yourself???? This is hypocrticial if nothing else no? Also, the RCC is pretty different from those days, and is a pacifistic organization now. Why do the past errors, which clearly were unchristian, mean that catholics, who beleive in christ, aren't christians?? Since when does doing something un-christian mean that you aren't a christian anyway??? Accept jesus, yer a christian.

Originally posted by Funkydung
but this was the first one where man set themselves against god. where man made his own rules and put away the laws of god. that was the purpose for the tower

In the bible story, sure, that looks like the intent, it was an attempt to reach the heavens physically, but what you say seems more or less like it can fit into that context.

it provided a common religious center for the people but it was to worship nimrod

Preceisely what happened at the ziggurat isn't clearly known. If the "Tower of Babel" is the ziggurat of bablyon, then we have that source. Herodotous, i beleive, relates the story that a person, i beleive a king or a preist-king, actually lived within it, even if just for a limited time. Modern arachaeological and historical studies on the actual materials don't, so far as I know, support this idea.

The account in Genesis describes exactly what is given here -- the building of a Tower, or religious edifice, and of a City.

Notice though that it is for gods, not godmen. Also notice that they are building it in accordance with the request of the great god that is refered to in the begining of the section.





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There's nothing left of the Etemenanki Ziggurat, and yes somebody did supposedly live in it. Guess. According to the Babylonian accounts, it was occupied during the night by Baal and his wife Astarte. I think this is further proof of the Nimrod God-King era, but we will never know since it was destroyed in the 9th century B.C. , we do know through Herodotus and so forth that it was an imposing structure of very ancient origin. I'd say that this is our fabled tower of Babel (or maybe an even older strucutre, remember that 9th century A.D. was centuries upon centuries after most Ziggurats were built, not many remained....)

Yes,but there are other ziggurats in other cities.

it was occupied during the night by Baal and his wife Astarte

And Solomon's Temple was occupied by Yahweh (and Astarte too actually).

we do know through Herodotus and so forth that it was an imposing structure of very ancient origin.

Hereodotus,and correct me if I am wrong, didn't actually see it, he got accounts from other people. Interstingly, this might explain why he thought someone lived in it, if that idea was popular amoung the other people along the coast, like it was with the jews.