Open Your EYES People Please!

www.cufi.org...

*Anybody* that endorses this is ANTICHRIST! MY GOD! I'm nearly in tears after seeing this. I had no idea that the elite had modern day so called christianity so infiltrated.

I just recieved a snip of this article today and found it odd that ones that claim to stand as firm as Falwell, Robertson and Hagee would tell the masses that through Jesus Christ is NOT the only way to eternal life.

The fact is, is the Jews **WERE** Jehovah's chosen people, not ARE as in present tense. After Jehovah sent his son Jesus and they denied him and refer to Jesus as a bastard child, they now would be classified as lucifer's (who i might add is also refered to with the versatile term 'god', hey take 'in god we trust' for example) chosen unless they accept Jesus as their savior. The present day Jews are the elite, look who runs the vatican and holds the british royal family's pocket book.

The Jews are waiting on a messiah to fullfil their prophecies that they claim Jesus didn't, well guess what? The Antichrist they put in power will do exactly that!

Anyone who teaches, preaches, or so much as agrees with the fact that a Jew has eternal life when he has denied Jesus Christ as the messiah will be no more saved then the Jew himself. Therefore they will be "left behind".

As many people as these religious figures influence, this is scarey. There may be so few caught away that no one will notice! The alien abduction BS that they plan on broadcasting will sweep what we have stood for right under the rug after we're gone if somebody doesn't open thier eyes F A S T.

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OK, I foolishly overlooked the letter John Hagee sent to the Jerusalem post stating that they needed to retract the false statement of their 'dual covenant' belief. Even at that, this thing still smells fishy. I've removed the images, now knowing that they each haven't stated publicly (as it appeared) that they too support this 'dual covenant' belief system. The rest still stands.
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Originally posted by WiseSheep
www.cufi.org...

*Anybody* that endorses this is ANTICHRIST! MY GOD! I'm nearly in tears after seeing this. I had no idea that the elite had modern day so called christianity so infiltrated.

*snip*

Can you please provide a link that verifies those who endorse this are
Antichrist? That is a rather rash statement, I must say.

The fact is, is the Jews **WERE** Jehovah's chosen people, not ARE as in present tense. After Jehovah sent his son Jesus and they denied him and refer to Jesus as a bastard child, they now would be classified as lucifer's (who i might add is also refered to with the versatile term 'god', hey take 'in god we trust' for example) chosen unless they accept Jesus as their savior. The present day Jews are the elite, look who runs the vatican and holds the british royal family's pocket book.

*snip*


PLEASE watch for other 'figures' that endorse this. I'll post more as/if i find out.

So, you're stating it is fact that the Jew's are no longer the 'chosen ones'?
Who made you God enough to make such a statement? Can you read his/her mind? I think not.

I am the first to say christianity is infiltrated with no doubt antichrist type characters but to make such a bold statement stating a personal conclusion as face I find a little presumptuous.

Originally posted by sanse_nz
Who made you God enough to make such a statement?

You mean: Who made me god enough to read black and white, cut and dry letters in the Holy Bible and know how to point out decievers? I am no more or no less a human being than you are. Dont take offense and instead do research and warn people because time is running out.

Hmm, your(WiseSheep) post could be construed as being slightly NAZIesque, not that I'm saying it is, just that it could be.


Now does'nt Jesus teach that you should accept everyone, no matter what they believe, and that if one is a good person and helps there fellow man that that's how they go to heaven.

I don't know, this whole subject is boring to me, I don't believe in a god or the so called divinity of Jesus, so I suppose my opinion won't matter much to most of the people who will post here.

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Originally posted by iori_komei
Hmm, your9WiseSheep) post could be construed as being slightly NAZIesque, not that I'm saying it is, just that it could be.


Now does'nt Jesus teach that you should accept everyone, no matter what they believe, and that if one is a good person and helps there fellow man that that's how they go to heaven.

I don't know, this whole subject is boring to me, I don't believe in a god or the so called divinity of Jesus, so I suppose my opinion won't matter much to most of the people who will post here.

You can call it whatever you wish, but if you knowingly and intentionally deny Jesus Christ as the messiah, you won't have eternal life. We are all equal in Jesus' eyes no matter the genetics, so if you deny him, it doesn't matter what you are, you won't have eternal life.

From your point of view, would it not raise a red flag to see well known supporters/teachers of your religion support a nation fabricated by the global elite (which is fact) that believe your lord (whoever he may be, in your case that is) is a bastard (which in the case of christianity is a statement that attempts to totally destroy it?). It'd be like Osama (if he was for real) standing up to his followers and saying 'I deny Allah'.

Does this make any sense?

From your point of view, would it not raise a red flag to see well known supporters/teachers of your religion support a nation fabricated by the global elite (which is fact) that believe your lord (whoever he may be, in your case that is) is a bastard (which in the case of christianity is a statement that attempts to totally destroy it?). It'd be like Osama (if he was for real) standing up to his followers and saying 'I deny Allah'.

Does this make any sense?

Well firstly I'm the only person (that I know of) that believes the same thing as I do when it comes to what you'd call religion, so I'm the only teacher of it.

If I did believe in a religion like Christianity, and the little scenario you said hapened, honestly I really would'nt care to much, it would'nt effect me going to "heaven", so it would'nt matter to me what other people do or believe.

Now as for it making sense, well I don't know exactly what it is that's suppose to be making sense or not.

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Originally posted by WiseSheep

Originally posted by sanse_nz
Who made you God enough to make such a statement?

You mean: Who made me god enough to read black and white, cut and dry letters in the Holy Bible and know how to point out decievers? I am no more or no less a human being than you are. Dont take offense and instead do research and warn people because time is running out.

Incase you're unaware, which it seems you are, the Bible was not written by God - nor Jesus. It was written by everyday men, who INTERPRETED.
Interpretation is the key, the same key that has caused war after war about this very topic through all mankinds history and will no doubt continue to do.

The Bible has also been bastardised over a very long period of time by the heirachy of leaders in Christianity to align the masses to their conditions.
Prove to me that God/Jesus actually WROTE the bible, and then we might have something interesting to discuss.

Faith is not about words in a book, it is about belief in your heart and in the actions you do to your fellow man. Perhaps if more strict religious folk lived their lives trying to be less judgemental and hypocritical, the true wishes of God and Jesus might finally be realised.

Yes, I am a Christian, who lives the life of a christian, not reads about it.
I am not trying to cause you offense, but I do find it irritating at best when the beliefs of others are immediately judged as the ANTICHRIST crap purely because it isn't the same theory the "church" shoves down societies throat.

Acceptance my friend, is something my God nourishes - not judgement, which only he can make.

Psalm 122:6
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

Umm I think that prayer is ok with you?

hello WiseSheep,

A really great book that can help you understand a bit more of how the whole Evangelical/political/Israel thing has come about is:

"On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend"
by Timothy Weber, PhD. (Baker Books, 2004).

Weber is president of Memphis Theological Seminary.

It is quite an insightful read...

Originally posted by darkelf
Psalm 122:6
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

Umm I think that prayer is ok with you?

Was this not written BEFORE God's chosen people slapped his only son in the face? It's a dead given that it all was surely meant to happen, but look at it from a historical standpoint through human eyes. Think about it. There are plenty prophecies in the old testament about the 'one' that God would send. They totally denied him when he actually showed up.

It's quite interesting and entertaining that God decided to use his chosen people to judge his son from who was even born of them. It's a fairly easy picture to see.

Try this: If you choose something and it turns around and attempts to destroy your very meaning and foundation, is it still chosen? WAS chosen would be a term used, but no IS as in the present.

This is NOT about the Jewish race, it's very specificly about the ones that intentionally deny Jesus Christ through their works and therefore do the work of the antichrist.

Read John 8:31-47 specifically John 8:44. Which is a perfect explanation of this.

"I will bless those who bless you, And I will Curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth Shall be blessed."

Genesis 12:3

So is that their game plan? lol

I just recieved a snip of this article today and found it odd that ones that claim to stand as firm as Falwell, Robertson and Hagee would tell the masses that through Jesus Christ is NOT the only way to eternal life.

Why would you find it odd? Jesus was never the 'only' way. That's a Christian myth in an attempt to persuade people to follow a false Messiah.

The fact is, is the Jews **WERE** Jehovah's chosen people, not ARE as in present tense.

Where does God disown the Jews? Please, don't post Christian biased hatred gospels.

After Jehovah sent his son Jesus and they denied him and refer to Jesus as a bastard child,

They never denied Jesus, they just felt he wasn't qualified. The big dead ringer for them was his death ... like the other's before him. And he was a bastard child. He was born without a father. Well, not really true, we just don't know who is real father is. Mary had to lie and mistranslate alma to mean virgin so she could save herself from being stoned to death.

The present day Jews are the elite, look who runs the vatican and holds the british royal family's pocket book.

From my understanding, the Catholic sect of Christianity runs the Vatican.

The Antichrist they put in power will do exactly that!

Really? Who's the antichrist? And you do realize, the antichrist is a Christian invention.

Anyone who teaches, preaches, or so much as agrees with the fact that a Jew has eternal life when he has denied Jesus Christ as the messiah will be no more saved then the Jew himself. Therefore they will be "left behind".

I see you've still forgotten this verse. I'll repost it for your own benefit.

"God is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18) Messiah need not apply.

As many people as these religious figures influence, this is scarey. There may be so few caught away that no one will notice! The alien abduction BS that they plan on broadcasting will sweep what we have stood for right under the rug after we're gone if somebody doesn't open thier eyes F A S T.

I think you need to get abit more deeply rooted in reality and stop the fantasy games. But, that's just my honest personal opinion, I can't really tell you what to do.

You mean: Who made me god enough to read black and white, cut and dry letters in the Holy Bible and know how to point out decievers?

From what it looks like, god had nothing to do with it. You failed to notice histories biggest deciever. Jesus and Mary.

You can call it whatever you wish, but if you knowingly and intentionally deny Jesus Christ as the messiah, you won't have eternal life.

Let's post it again, maybe it'll start to sink in and you can come to terms with your Christian brainwashing.

"God is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18)

Was this not written BEFORE God's chosen people slapped his only son in the face?

Who says Jesus was god's son? Mary? Jesus? Christians? Retranslating young woman to mean virgin does a pagan demi-god not make. Does Jesus pray for the peace of Jerusalem? He had some harsh thing's to say against the Jewish Nation. Nor did he bother to observe the Torah like a good Messiah.

It's a dead given that it all was surely meant to happen, but look at it from a historical standpoint through human eyes.

Rather (sorry to rephrase this for you), look at it through the Christian victor's account of history.

Think about it. There are plenty prophecies in the old testament about the 'one' that God would send. They totally denied him when he actually showed up.

They haven't denied the Messiah, he hasn't shown up yet. Jesus wasn't a descendent of David. His supposed father was God, not Joseph.

It's quite interesting and entertaining that God decided to use his chosen people to judge his son from who was even born of them. It's a fairly easy picture to see.

God told his chosen people that he would send charlatans with the power of miracles to test them. They passed with flying colours. You failed.

Try this: If you choose something and it turns around and attempts to destroy your very meaning and foundation, is it still chosen? WAS chosen would be a term used, but no IS as in the present.

Again, god did tell them that he would send charalatans who would do just that. They didn't fall for it.

This is NOT about the Jewish race, it's very specificly about the ones that intentionally deny Jesus Christ through their works and therefore do the work of the antichrist.

Again, the antichrist is a Christian invention. Jesus being a false Messiah, makes any claims of an antichrist null and void.

Read John 8:31-47 specifically John 8:44. Which is a perfect explanation of this.

The gospel of John is a Christian gospel and has no real bearings on the true Messiah.

Produkt, well the messiah that you speak of that hasn't shown up yet, will alot sooner than later. I hope you wise up before accepting his identification tag.

Originally posted by WiseSheep
Produkt, well the messiah that you speak of that hasn't shown up yet, will alot sooner than later. I hope you wise up before accepting his identification tag.

Your still using the Christian invented antichrist. There is no such thing. You need to open your eye's to the lies Christianity has imposed upon those of religous faith.

I do think it necessary that the non-religious of us do pay attention to the activities and vocalisations of the more...shall we say...religious believers for one real reason. They are playing a kind of chess game in the world of power politics in order to gain control and influence. Already, they are doing a very good job in America. They have been patient, steady, and have persevered with their slow progress, but now, they have acheived a stance of readiness, by positioning all their relevant pieces strategically within positions of power, or within reach of that power through manipulative influence.

Politics didn't change the American liberalism. Politicians are too decadent to want to lessen that, it was the evangelical vote and the threat of mass withdrawl of that evangelical support that threatens politcal careers, and herein lies the main influence.....It has been acheived while they have been ignored and laughed at as loonies, and yet, they now threaten to engulf American society with their brand of draconian, fundamentalistic doctrines. That means a definite lessening in one's rights and liberties, which has already seen a slow encreepment upon them. Funny thing is, many are still laughing at them, as if they are not even on the map; but they now hold the map!

However, the real reason, I suppose, for sharp observance, is to gain an idea of their ultimate goal. Is it to enslave all Americans into their doctrine in order to save them from Islamic doctrine enslavement, or perhaps, is it to bring about a manufactured armageddon, in order to justify their faith in Revelations?

I think it is time to treat these people with some seriousness, otherwise you may ignorantly wake up one morning and find yourself living in the 'new' holy land, with a whole new set of rules, and only one book to read.

Just some thoughts of caution. I think their threat to our way of lives is definitely existentially real. This coalition for supporting Israel is a case in point. Ignore them at your peril!

Regards

or perhaps, is it to bring about a manufactured armageddon, in order to justify their faith in Revelations?

Given their history, I wouldn't doubt it in the slightest.

Originally posted by elysiumfire
... to bring about a manufactured armageddon, in order to justify their faith in Revelations?

That's exactly what it is.

The threadstarter misses the point here. The evangelicals who are calling for wholehearted support of Israel are not, despite their claims, doing so for any love for the Jewish people or the Israeli state. They're doing so because they see the establishment of Israel as a fundamental step in fulfilling Biblical prophecy.

This is also why all the complaints from those who oppose US intervention in the Middle East fall on deaf ears. People see the harm our actions in the Middle East cause and they point at them - they complain that US policy in the region is causing the very hostility to which it claims to be a reaction, and they wonder how it is that the administration and its supporters can't see this. The fact is that they can see it, and it's exactly what they've set about creating. They want the Arab nations to be their enemies - they want war in the Middle East. Their prophecies state that the final battle will begin in the Middle East, and they are deliberately doing everything they can to bring that about.

Evangelical Christians support Israel because they long for Armageddon, and Israel, not only as a state, but as a hated adversary of the Arab nations, is crucial to bringing about at least something resembling the Biblical apocalypse for which they're working.

Originally posted by elysiumfire
I do think it necessary that the non-religious of us do pay attention to the activities and vocalisations of the more...shall we say...religious believers for one real reason.

Yes, so when a few of us are 'Abducted by aliens', you have seven years to count.

Originally posted by Bob LaoTse
The threadstarter misses the point here. The evangelicals who are calling for wholehearted support of Israel are not, despite their claims, doing so for any love for the Jewish people or the Israeli state. They're doing so because they see the establishment of Israel as a fundamental step in fulfilling Biblical prophecy.

Yes, I can see that, but "they" have nothing to do with what is being played out in the ME. That is all the work of the elite. With them "Uniting" for Israel, they're supporting the elite and thus the throne of the Antichrist to come, which is about as Anti-Christ as one can get.

Why would a true Christian support the throne of the comming antichrist? No man can serve two masters.

You know I'd like to just say something about this whole "Anti-Christ" thing.

Now I may be wrong, but did'nt the concept of the "Anti-Christ" really start up, as in people actually believing it, in the 1500's?

And have not many people over that time been called the "Anti-Christ, including but not limited to, popes, political leaders and musicians.


Now I don't claim to be a scholar in biblical stuff, but did the concept of the "Anti-Christ" even exist in the origonal Biblical texts?



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The Gospel of John does make mention of 'antichrist' ... Or two or more?

The words "Antichrist" and "Antichrists" appear only five times in the Bible - in two of the Apostle John's three letters in the New Testament, 1 John and 2 John:

Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. (1John 2:22, ESV)

Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. (1John 2:18, ESV)

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. (1John 4:3, ESV)

Many deceivers have gone out into the world; they do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist (2John 1:7, ESV.)

In these contexts, "Antichrist" seems to describe any false teacher, false prophet or corrupter of the Christian faith, but sometimes also seems to indicate a specific person or single spirit of deception that motivates false teaching and whose presence is a sign of the end times.

Sounds alot different when reading each verse that says 'antichrist', compared to the picture the Christians paint.

This part is kinda odd... We're supposedly awaiting the antichrist and yet...

This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

If he's already in the world way back when John wrote his gospel, then wth are we doing saying we're waiting for the antichrist? How old is this fiendish lil guy?

Originally posted by iori_komei
You know I'd like to just say something about this whole "Anti-Christ" thing.

Now I may be wrong, but did'nt the concept of the "Anti-Christ" really start up, as in people actually believing it, in the 1500's?

And have not many people over that time been called the "Anti-Christ, including but not limited to, popes, political leaders and musicians.


Now I don't claim to be a scholar in biblical stuff, but did the concept of the "Anti-Christ" even exist in the origonal Biblical texts?

yes, it did, but not with anything like the amount of detail and biographical accretions which developed as time went on. For instance: by the end of the 10th century (950 AD) Queen Gerberga of the Franks (present-day France) was so concerned by Viking and Norse raids along the coasts that she wrote a letter to Bishop Adso, of Montier-en-Der, asking if these might be "pre-cursors" of Antichrist. You can find fuller info on this treatise here:

www.zyworld.com...

By this time Paul's "Man of sin" had developed into a full-blown character with a genaeology, complete physical description (very weird) and a whole list of accomplishments he would perform. The roots of much of what is described in present-day conspiracies about the Antichrist stem from these later additions.

3 excellent books on this whole subject:


Antichrist by Bernard McGinn (Harper Collins, 1994)

Visions of the End by Bernard McGinn (Columbia University Press, 1998)

The Encyclopedia of Apocalypticism (Continuum Press, 2000-2004) various contributors

There are also online resources covering the development of the Antichrist theme:


www.pbs.org...

www.catholicity.com...

social.chass.ncsu.edu...

Hope this helps... feel free to u2u me, as I did lots of work on this in college...


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