US fears defeat in Iran war

Originally posted by Bcs8484
I totally disagree with the war in Iran but if it were to happend the US would be fighting a whole country not people inside of a country! Everybody would be enemies and the Untied State forces would blow threw evrything that Iran had to offer. Plus Iran doesn't have the capablilties to even touch Untied Sates soil so it would be immposible for us to loose a war against Iran.

Iran has the most sophisticated air defence system on earth the s-300, they have well over 250 Russian migs, missiles capable of reaching western Europe, rumoured to have the sunburn ss-n-22 (hence moving the two carriers from the gulf), along with fellt of subs and attack craft, their own Iranian fighters.

The Indians, Russians, Chinese and Pakistan have all come out and implicitly put their support behind Iran - like it or not Americans are THE MOST ignorant people on arth, the reality is the U.S.A would get their arse handed to them.

Lets see , Iraq a country smashed by a ten year war, then the gulf war, then 10 years of sanctions and America is pulling out ???!

You want an air war in Iran - and how do you plan on doing this ? Get a grip, you can not beat Iran end of story - Israel would be obliterated as would your entire Iraq force along with Afghanistan - completely destroyed.

Wake up, this is not a movie, you are not in a comic book, this is reality - you are not the only ones with massive military force, nor the only ones with highly advanced weaponry - it is simply delusional to think otherwise.

If the Chinese and Russians were to supply Iran which they would, you can kiss your foreign forces good bye -

It feels good to know Americans are there - makes you feel so much better about yourself just knowing hwo much smarter one is.

Its called SCHADENFREUDE - look it up, learn something for once, narcissism is the greatest vice - lookthat up to.

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Hello all,

I have been reading what you have all written here, and i must say..

Why should America go to war again, over oil? every war that they have waged in the last 20 years has been about oil, and about pipe lines... the war in Afghanistan was about a pipe line, the war in Iraq was about oil and a pipe line.

What if America had taken all the money that it has been spending on wars and had spent differently, on helping Iraq (building schools and hospitals) and ASKING if they could build a pipe line, on helping Afghanistan (building schools and hospitals) and ASKING if they could build a pipe line.

What if they had taken all that money and spent it on trying to develop new ways of creating clean power.

You people brag about what great weapons your countries have and how many people you can kill. What about standing up to your governments and saying instead of new missiles build us some new clean power sources so we don't have to rely on oil. How many wars would not have to be fought if that happened ?

I personally do not want to hear of one more person being killed, from any country over oil, not one.

Regards

Lee

The university professor stressed ..

A Liberal Professor - 'nuff said


The US is not worried about losing a war with Iran. In fact, they are already fighting one by proxy in Iraq. Iran is losing.

Also, the US would only serve to conduct any air-strikes and protect Oil tanker passage through the Strait of Hormuz. No ground troops necessary.

[edit on 28-7-2008 by jetxnet]

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the reason ariel sharon return the gaza strip back not because he's a man of peace because isreal couldnt keep their settlers safe and isreal couldnt hold gaza

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
And yet on the same token, I will turn that right back on this administration as well as Israel, and any intentions they may have of using tactical nukes on Iran. It MUST not happen.

[edit on 18-3-2006 by TrueAmerican]

I don't believe nukes would be necessary. Surgical air strikes would take out Iran's most prized possesions and turn them back into a third world country...pretty much overnight.

Originally posted by Ic weiner
nonsense 5 of some of the top generals and admirals threatened to quit if iran is invaded because they see no possible way that the war could be won

c'mon, you know you can't throw this one out there without a link of some sort.

Some people who claim to be "intellegent"


yet go into graphic detail on a war that did not happen and will not happen
Not intellegent

Finally
They think America "will" be defeated in this war.
Not intellegent either!


Now lets talk about been intellegent. You all listening fellow Americans
No one wins a war. Nobody wins war, because when you win that war, you've brought yourself to another war. It never ends until you admit defeat

Secondly War does not work or solve conflict.

Do you see George Bush behaving like in a war battle with his father? No you don't hear about him using that kind of behaviour. but you believe like most Americans that war is needed to solve conflict, and knowing George doesnt use war as dealing with conflict with his family, but you still follow him on a decisions to go to wars, that were not acceptable.

Oh America will never learn, all I can do is laugh at the embarresment of such a nation. its makes sick how silly it is there. Its better to laugh at how retarded america is than get upset and angry at the awareness of that redicoulous country.

[edit on 18-9-2008 by mind is the universe]

I would disagree with you. The US would never be defeated by Iran. If this were so the Iranians would have invaded Iraq and driven the US forces out. The US spends 10 times the amount of money on the military than any other nation. US military are the best trained and best equiped. We invaded Iraq with very few casualties, and within days had overcome iraqi forces. Iran and Iraq fought for 10 years and never got anywhere.. You do the math. Sure the Iran has a few modern missiles, but it will take more than that to defeat any country. The tanks are a joke and other armorment.

All the signs point to war with Iran in the near future and you can bet that it will envolve a few mushroom clouds. To the person who stated mass casualties on American bases in Iraq... youre right on the money! The only way we could avoid that is to have a mega-shock and all like no other, a missle defense system in iraq and bunkers that can withstand such an attack!

In a full scale war, America can not loose to Iran, that's absurb. Iran is has nothing America needs to waste it's bombs on.

Don't tell me because they have oil. America has the biggest oil reserves in the world, but want to control it like how diamonds are controlled.

Political analysts believe that Americans are much frightened of being defeated in another war and its consequent loss of prestige, and thus, they try to win Iran's nuclear case through ways other than war.

I think what this is trying to point out is, people are afraid of public opinion.
Invading another country.
Not afraid of losing militarily.
As we all know that America could annihilate Iran in 2 days.

I'm not even going to predict what "would" happen. It would simply be an exercise in rhetoric.

Instead, I just want to point out that the US difficulties in Iraq have come from wanting a particular outcome for that state, i.e., a specifically western style of democracy. The actual threat posed by Iraq toward any possible neighbors was eradicated within two weeks.

What has continued for 5 years is assymetric warfare. Waging such warfare in conditions of Iraq is pretty much doomed to do nothing other than stiffen american resolve and waste money, which america has had plenty of (and still does, since the war isn't funded by private banks, but from the tax rolls.).

I am convinced that Iran would actually be more vulnerable to american military attack/invasion that Iraq was. Here's why:

1. Iran has much more infrastructure. That means more vulnerabilities, in the form of a target-rich environment.

2. Iran is totally dependent upon crude oil exports to pay its bills from one week to the next. Seriously, Iran is even more reliant on foreign oil than the US, since Iran lacks any refining capacity. Cut off the flow of finished petro-products, and commerce and industry would grind to a halt. Major cities like Tehran would be incapable of feeding their inhabitants without supplies of foreign-refined gasoline.

3. Iran has invested heavily in conventional forces. These are the sorts of arms that American technology has focused on defeating. Large mechanized military infrastructure is vulnerable to the sorts of attacks that america specializes in right now.

4. US satelite technology and ever increasing power of drones means that a really crushing defeat could be handed out with a minimum of US casualties. Instead of attacking Iranian Nuke facilities, the US could destroy Iranian petro-export terminals, and remove Iran's ability to feed itself or even buy more nuclear materiel and know-how. And without American permission after such an attack, it might be decades before Iran could export any oil at all. Meanwhile, the US has become the number 3 oil producer on the planet, and so would be less affected than most other developed nations.

5. The OP mentioned Pakistan as an Iranian ally in the event of war. If this came to pass, how do you expect India would respond to the chance to attack Pakistan, with the west's approval?

6. Like most world powers, Russia's friendship with Iran is purely for the sake of brinksmanship. Up till now, that relationship has served to belittle the US for little real cost and a lot of payoff in terms of prestige. But if it required Russia to fight a war on foreign soil (if that's even possible yet), against the US Navy, when Russia still lacks a single warm water port with access to the open ocean, Russian support would turn out to be mostly verbal. Russia hopes to become a world arms supplier, and wouldn't risk defeat at the hands of the US, at a vulnerable juncture in post-soviet history.

The risks for Russia would be an all-or-nothing gamble. And what is the best that Russia could gain? It already has more oil than it can exploit. Money? Iran can hardly pay for the equipment it has already purchased. And dropping all pretense of being a benign state, Russia would quickly by isolated by eastern Europe, which is the LAST thing Russia wants. I think in the event of an Iran-US war, Russia would probably try to broker the cease-fire. that's about it.

Now, no one of these points may be completely true. But all of them are at least partly true. And against that, what?


America has shown that it is willing to "go it alone" in the face of world-wide criticism. How would Iran fare, if it were seen as the genuine aggressor by the world community? Many of America's critics might overlook American beligerance, if it meant a real end to Iranian brinksmanship.

all the best.

This is the dumbest argument ever

All this talk about what each side has in terms of conventional weapons is ridiculous

In a real war...particularly if we thought Russia and China could be involved...

There would be nothing conventional about the fight

G-d only knows what we would throw out...if we had any Intent or desire to actually wipe out an enemy


and that applies to Russia and China as well

The capacity to first strike in a myriad of ways almost certainly exists for all of the Big Three Russia, China, America

Disease... is just the start, Neutron bombs,... China has been working on 7 post nuclear super weapons for a long time..and lol, we started that process... before the ground at Hiroshima cooled...

All this talk of... anti missile systems...lol the first real system was designed in the 60's it requires using Neutron Bombs to wipe ICBMS...

There's no haveing the converstaion really... it would go on and on... and no one knows for sure... you might even say no one individual in any given of the governments even knows entirely ... this could be particularly true of America

Iran... isn't even a factor

and for China, Russia and America... it really and truely probably is a Gunfight, whoever pulls the right trigger first would win hands down...

lol, win what? I dunno... nothing left as a prize on the other side...


But lol, Iran would be gone in 20 minutes or less or they get a free pizza...

IF we actually ever chose to fight a war... really fight it with our real weapons....


and please..I give that up to other adversaries as well... Iran doesn't even come close

IF the USA was Evil...we just do it... shoot first, shoot with... whatever we have beyond Nukes and...certainly it's there and... commit genocide, across all Asia...

and if Russia and China was evil or truely into defending or supporting Iran...they could probably do it to us too...

ask yourself this question , why were we in desert storm caping oil wells?iran sells oil to who? figure that one out and you will find the answer why it will be hard to invade iran when they use nukes on usa. you cannot cut off the oil food chain that drives another country. nor destroy something you may use in the future. so we cannot use nukes on iran, so it would be an all out bomb the shsh out of them if iran did anything to us that was bad, like a suitcase nuke.

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That really is a chilling reality of a thought, all we civilians would know would be like something out of Threads

watch the film and pay attention to the running news broadcasts on radio/tv in the background...

[edit on 11-10-2008 by citizen smith]

The U.S.A. would only destroy obvious nuke plants and facilities if they became a threat... It would take months of evidence and Congress. The
Persian people are an aritfact.The U.S.A. doesn't want to affect their lives. I hope to travel to Iran with my family and live as them during my stay. Iranian hospitality is world class. Keep words free of judgement.

I love all,

Keep the expression going

Some guy a place in the
world

Spot on assessment.

Its obvious to anyone, that the US could finish off any nation it wanted... just push a few red buttons and wait. But, you only get to do it once.. so you need to make sure when you do it, there really is no other choice, because if there is and your wrong the world will annihilate your country.

so, this is an Achilles heal, as well as a trump card.

you know youve got it, you cant use it, you just gotta roll up your sleeves and do some dirty work!

Now, the Iranians and the US know, that if anything militaristic happens anywhere in the middle east, the US has to respond to it regardless.. young men, raw materials and credible financing are in short supply over in the states, thanks to the Bush's outback adventures policy, so realistically they couldnt mass enough if they wanted too.

..but Uncle Sam cannot admit that, hell he cant even admit to his endemic gambling problem, and he sure as hell cant look weak!

Israel knows this as well but Israel believe a strategic nuke here and there could end the issue quickly..
Israel has the technology but it wouldnt be anywhere as effective if it didnt have the US assisting and supplying.

and Israel also agrees that the US must respond to 'any' event.. regardless

how many israeli tanks and men would need to be lost before the US was forced to just end it quickly.. how long would they allow it to go on?

the US doesnt want it, Israel salivates for it and Irans praying for it..
Israels going to blackmail uncle sam.. by clamping his financial testicals.

Reply to post by Nakash

Doubtful. Iran is not a pushover like Iraq or Afghanistan.

They also may have a powerful ally in Russia.


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Originally posted by The Sword
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Doubtful. Iran is not a pushover like Iraq or Afghanistan.

They also may have a powerful ally in Russia.

 

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the problem with attacking iran is that western society is corrupt to it's core.

the oil companies would jack up the price of oil, the hedge funds would rape the commodity markets, the bankers would blackmail governments for trillions for a bailout.

tptb in the west act like criminals, they are anti social and have no loyalty to anything except their ever bigger yachts, the financial sector is the enemy of nato.

with the financial sector a ponzi house of cards, the western economies on life support, a war would be devastating because the west's real enemy is their bankers.

no matter how powerful nato's military, china and russia could just watch the west self destruct while getting rich.

europe is dependent on russian oil and gas, which with the middle east out of the equation would cost a fortune.

there is more to war than military weapons, a totally corrupt society cannot finance it's armies.

all iran has to do is close the golf of hormuz, launch a few missiles at the saudi arabia land pipelines, and the western economies will gasp for air.

this is a very stupid and dangerous game imo.