mass appeal

Originally posted by WalkInSilence
saint4G Ok you're out we get the message,(no need to get agressive)

Not aggressive at all, just giving a position. Apologies to those who thought there was any measure of rage in anything I said. On this side of the screen it is not the case.

Originally posted by WalkInSilence
I may be wrong but I sense you are a "hard core" christian just let me remaind you that our Lord Jesus said "...only those who do my Fathers will" Yes I'm chistian.
Please let us pray for peace, don't spread seperation. Please saint4!!!

Then you're also familiar with Christ's words:

"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." (Luke 12:49-53)

Notice he says "From now on". That includes today. And of course there's Paul, servant of God and student of Christ, who says:

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people." (2 Corinthians 6:14-16)

There's more as well, about not worshipping and praying together as well in those epistles. If you want to argue against not only Paul, but Christ, it is your right but I wouldn't recommend it.


[edit on 22-3-2006 by saint4God]

Alienaddicted, the saint who acknowledges God and prays to him, I've joined in and prayed with you to God. I've asked Him to bring direction to us, thanked him for for the presence of His children, and prayed for those who did not believe that would be able to recognized the source of good when it occurs to them. I prayed these things in the name of our saviour, Jesus Christ who died and was resurrected to show that the sins of those who believe are forgiven and the price was paid for believers to enter into God's presence in heaven. Thank you for adding that direction to your prayer and am now confident in not only an answer but one of earth-moving wonder.

Pray, train, study,
God bless.

[edit on 22-3-2006 by saint4God]

I haad truly wonderfull experiences today, and got lifted up verily! This, today being a true step forward in my life, really, hahah! I cleaned my room, and have put it nice into order, I found a job!, I had a wonderfull time with my family and good experiences with people, have seen much and interpreted lots of things, really aa positive vibe today! lol blastin' my head off here, things are truly clearing up, I allready want to thank everybody for spreading their vibes around so we can learn from one another, and teach ourselves The way of life.

I received much positive vibes which have really gotten my head out in it. It's a fascinating story we tell. Each one with their own perspective, with their own actions. I find it good that we are helped so much, ask for what thy wilth and thy shalt get. Ask for you to become really yourself, to even become aware of that you are, but if you'd ever get to know I don't know, do I know not what that not known knows, did I have seen it, or is it just the interpretion, of my mind, or the mind, does anyone with closed eyes perceive the same as any other, damn I have seen clear visions of what I think I can say of that this is really it, I don't go OBE, I guess, for I am still awake, but it could be I lowered my brainwaves to such a state, that I might be like a meditational zombie walking around catching every twist and movement of every human being around me, twisting and turning me sometimes in positions not speakable of, If I let it go off the flow, man I'm turning inside out right now.

Hey, I wish every everytime the very best on their travel, and may you find that which is truly God, Which truly supports you, with any or noone aourn you.

The best, cheers!

and Saint4us, I truly appreciate your motivation and comprehension of things, thy art like Peter!

Truly a rock. I voted way above, also for your interaction in the always going wrong and your ever correct way in the 'the bible is not the word of God thread. A surplus, a joy reading, anneueuh, as I noticed the tags.... someones envious.. Slap the crap out of him, hah, spoilin ya here brotha

..NOT!

no really, when your actions are like your tongue thy are truly a saint.

Alienaddicted

..NOT!

So..

Anybody any news, this can be early. I feel a bit that unconsciously this is being forwarded, that progress is taken, I have an uplifted spirit. The weather is also very healthy aournd here. A nice day today.. tomorrow I got a job. I very thankfull. I again can start, or build up a new existence. Starting from below zero! It's been a situation around here.. .. HaHaH

All for the better, I'm getting open for it now.

Alienaddict

I didn't take part. I guess a combination of forgetting/not caring after seeing how the thread transformed halfway through. The whole "hardcore Christian" thing on this thread kind of sickens me. I think you lost a lot of potential prayers by segregating the thread and making it "Christian Only". When people start quoting scripture and mentioning Jesus multiple times in a post, all hope is just lost.

did you notice that shining light over me? envy me baby, get ya groove on. now, I'll shine that light all over the place. you know how we do...

Give me a break buddy. Who do you think you are.

Originally posted by Yarcofin
I didn't take part. I guess a combination of forgetting/not caring after seeing how the thread transformed halfway through. The whole "hardcore Christian" thing on this thread kind of sickens me. I think you lost a lot of potential prayers by segregating the thread and making it "Christian Only". When people start quoting scripture and mentioning Jesus multiple times in a post, all hope is just lost.

Gee, that wasn't predictable. Point illustrated. By the way, it was never made "Christian Only" rather, a prayer to God alone (you know, the one who sent His son?). See the difference?

Originally posted by Yarcofin

did you notice that shining light over me? envy me baby, get ya groove on. now, I'll shine that light all over the place. you know how we do...

Give me a break buddy. Who do you think you are.

Hehe, wow, some people do indeed have no sense of humor. If you know aa, you'd certainly know he's not one to have an ego. This pair of statements he makes alone shows a whimsical air. After reading a few of his posts this should become apparent. Nevertheless it may be a valuable word of caution to aa, just to let him know who his audience is and that some members of that audience may take him seriously on all accounts, not just the ones that are important.

[edit on 23-3-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God
Gee, that wasn't predictable.

Point illustrated. By the way, it was never made "Christian Only" rather, a prayer to God alone (you know, the one who sent His son?). See the difference?

It became a prayer to God alone? OOhhhhh dear well thats not what I did......as in my previous post, I focused my positive energies in the right direction, by way of meditation.

Wait....saint4god will probably tell me I ruined it by bringing satans mojo into the vibes

In my opinion, God would be embarassed to have you on his team, saint.
You cause more 'trouble' than peace - which seems more evil-doing than 'spreading the word of God'.




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[edit on 3/24/2006 by Majic]

sanz, the 'positive energies' you send are a total misinterception of your mind my friend. You seem to just a little pion. Where have you found the will to speak those words? I guess you've got some nice positive energies back making you scream like such na a**h*l*

How should I treat you?

and just for starters, thank you SAINT for keeping the spirit up here in this thread by also noticing God didn't have an eye on group prayers.. to prevent an ego-battle

farizeeers! or how are they named in english?

damn.. ah, see what you do to us? hehe you give us now more insight again, thank you! ah, I'm spoiled again..

Originally posted by alienaddicted
So a time and a date, let's take london time. Give your opinion on what to pray for, then we make a prayer or a riddle, a spell gnarf gnarf, we connect with eachother, All ATS members connect around the world, and then a mass mind bomb of love energy, or a telekinetic burst on area 51 all together. Something we could plan you know.. to keep us busy gnarf

aa, I think you were the one that originally called for all ATS members to
quote "connect around the world, and then a mass mind bomb of love energy etc" lol heck, you even suggest a "spell"....oooohhhh my how satanic!

Not once, is god mentioned in your original post. Can't change the rules half way through, or maybe things change to suit your mood? I dunno.

Hey, not that I really mind, I pray a lot and have nothing against prayer.
Just trying to be open-minded for ALL members here at ATS to be included, without prejudice - just like Jesus supposedly taught. Funny that the same lack of prejudice can't be applied by the thread starter, it seems.


[edit on 23-3-2006 by sanse_nz]

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[edit on 3/24/2006 by Majic]

Personally I think AA fell into a bit of Evangelical brainwashing halfway through the thread, but he may argue otherwise. Heck, I asked Saint why he feels so strongly against praying to nonspecific "positive forces" and he tried to do the same thing to me (And also has yet to answer my question). So tell us the story about your 'horrible experience'. Or is that just a scare tactic to get people to follow the words of The Bible?

By the way, it was never made "Christian Only" rather, a prayer to God alone (you know, the one who sent His son?)

...Who was that again? Mohammed? Lots of religions have Gods who sent their son. Were we praying to Allah? Maybe Brahman? No... obviously you are referring to Jesus and Jehovah/Yahweh of the Old Testament.

So basically you're saying "It wasn't Christian Only, it was for anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God".

Anyways this is getting into a bit too much of a religious debate, as well as the exact opposite of the original post's intent. If it carries on, we might as well just take it over to the Faith&Spirituality forum.

Contridictions from AA's Original Intent to now:
*Wanted to attack Area 51 with prayers. Very un-Christian-like.
*Wanted to pray for a wife before I talked him out of it. Hmm... what does God say about testing him again?

Here is AA's first prayer:

O powers of light, powers that be,
makes us thy children and let us be free.

We pray for love and light on this earth,
join and help us in this magical birth.

to guide us on our travel in this life,
to keep us happy, and to give AA a wife.

I dunno, sounds pretty pagan to me.

AA's second prayer, again begins with asking 'powers of light':

O powers of light, fill us with love,
fill us with light from the up above.
let us conqour this earth as it should,
give us the power to be understood.
heal the planet, heal humankind,
lead us to there where we shall find.
Hope and love and joy for us all,
to keep us in balance wherever we fall.

Then all of a sudden something snapped, and it became all "HALLELUJAH"! and improperly using Biblical words like "thy" "thou", etc.

In your latest post you mock someone for talking about the same 'positive energies' you made prayers about a few pages earlier:

sanz, the 'positive energies' you send are a total misinterception of your mind my friend. You seem to just a little pion. Where have you found the will to speak those words?

I'm not ridiculing or anything. I'm just laying out the facts plainly visible on this thread.

[edit on 23-3-2006 by Yarcofin]

Originally posted by Yarcofin
Personally I think AA fell into a bit of Evangelical brainwashing halfway through the thread, but he may argue otherwise.

AA is already Christian. He and I had this discussion months ago. This should have been evident in my quote "Alienaddicted, the saint who acknowledges God and prays to him". I did not "make him" Christian, God did. I'll leave his testimony up to him though if he cares to share.

Originally posted by Yarcofin
Heck, I asked Saint why he feels so strongly against praying to nonspecific "positive forces" and he tried to do the same thing to me (And also has yet to answer my question). So tell us the story about your 'horrible experience'. Or is that just a scare tactic to get people to follow the words of The Bible?

It is not and has been told before. Tired of cutting and pasting. Not that it matters, it wouldn't be believed by the forum anyway. Not my job to give you proof, but if you want me to help you get your proof I'd be glad to help.

Originally posted by Yarcofin
...Who was that again? Mohammed? No... obviously you are referring to Jesus.

A+

Originally posted by Yarcofin
So basically you're saying "It wasn't Christian Only, it was for anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God".

Pray to God even if you don't have certainty about Jesus. I had to ask, "Is this really true? Is Jesus your son? Did He do these things?" before getting a solid answer.

The rest is for alienaddicted to address so I'll let him do so.

[edit on 23-3-2006 by saint4God]

Maybe we should have a "pray off" competition.

Christians vs. all the others

How sad that it has come down to "my prayers are better than your prayers"

God must be real proud of us!!

[edit on 23-3-2006 by whaaa]

Maybe we should have a "pray off" competition.

Christians vs. all the others

This actually happened numerous times in the Bible.
I agree with what you're saying, though. This is all really killing the vibe about what the thread was intended for in the first place. Instead of bringing people together and making the world better, we're just segregating it up even more.



[edit on 23-3-2006 by Yarcofin]

Originally posted by whaaa
God must be real proud of us!!

You believe God approves of people praying to something other than Him?

"You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments."

(Exodus 20:3-6)





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[edit on 3/24/2006 by Majic]

Originally posted by Yarcofin
This actually happened numerous times in the Bible.

This is a good point. Moses in Egypt comes to mind. Also Daniel.

"You shall have no other gods before me" gives the suggestion that there actually are other Gods besides Him. Nowhere in the Bible does it actually say there is only one God, or that all other religions are fake. It simply says you aren't allowed to believe in them, YOU may only have one God.

The dude's like an overpossessive boyfriend with serious anger issues. But that's just my interpretation.

This is a good point. Moses in Egypt comes to mind. Also Daniel.

God allegedly helped the Jews to win a lot of wars, like that one with all the trumpets and whatnot where they were outnumbered but used their smarts to prevail.

But I bet other religions fought the Jews and won, and praised their God(s) for it as well. As many times as people in the Old Testament prevailled, they got invaded and attacked as well (I recall something about their skin being used as wallpaper in Syria, Babylonia, etc?). That part just isn't documented as well in The Bible, or at least gives no reasons as to why God let his 'Chosen People' get slaughtered.

Saying you won because God favours you is like saying you won because of your lucky underwear. Let's not sink back to the level of using God as a superstitious 'good luck charm'.

[edit on 23-3-2006 by Yarcofin]

Originally posted by Yarcofin
"You shall have no other gods before me" gives the suggestion that there actually are other Gods besides Him. Nowhere in the Bible does it actually say there is only one God, or that all other religions are fake. It simply says you aren't allowed to believe in them, YOU may only have one God.

The dude's like an overpossessive boyfriend with serious anger issues. But that's just my interpretation.

The Bible defines what these gods are. Idols made of gold, silver, stone, etc:

Psalm 97:7
"All who worship images are put to shame, those who boast in idols— worship him, all you gods!"

Psalm 115:4
"But their idols are silver and gold, made by the hands of men."

Psalm 115:3-5 (in Context) Psalm 115 (Whole Chapter)

Psalm 135:15
"The idols of the nations are silver and gold, made by the hands of men."

Psalm 135:14-16 (in Context) Psalm 135 (Whole Chapter)

Isaiah 2:20
"In that day men will throw away to the rodents and bats their idols of silver and idols of gold, which they made to worship."

Isaiah 2:19-21 (in Context) Isaiah 2 (Whole Chapter)

Isaiah 31:7
"For in that day every one of you will reject the idols of silver and gold your sinful hands have made."

Isaiah 31:6-8 (in Context) Isaiah 31 (Whole Chapter)

Ezekiel 16:17
"You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them."

As far as your issues with God, that's between you and Him. But, just like any other contemptousness, it can only be resolved by talking with the one you're angry with.


[edit on 23-3-2006 by saint4God]

The Bible says there is one God, one alone:

John 1:18
"No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known."

2 Kings 19:15
"And Hezekiah prayed to the LORD : "O LORD, God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth."

2 Kings 19:19
"Now, O LORD our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all kingdoms on earth may know that you alone, O LORD, are God."

"All who worship images are put to shame, those who boast in idols— worship him, all you gods!"

Is a giant representation of Jesus being Crucified on the cross at the front of all churches not an image/idol? What about images of The Last Supper, Portraits that represent Jesus, etc?

"But their idols are silver and gold, made by the hands of men."

If you're like most Christians, you probably have a cross around your neck made of gold or silver. It seems to me that a lot of people worship their golden cross a lot more than they do God himself. They hold the cross whenever they are praying or in distress, etc.

If you recall the problem with the Mohammed cartoons, it was because Islam forbids making their God into an idol in any way. But for some reason although Christianity also forbids this, Christians have no problem showing off their little gold cross idols for all the world to see.

Personally I think Judiasm, Christianity, and Islam are all really the same Gods. Christianity is just an update of Judiasm (Old Testament + New, Believe in Jesus to be Son of God). And Islam is an update of Christianity (Old+New Testament+Koran, Jesus was just a prophet but they believe in him, Mohammed is the son of God). I'm sure another one is bound to come along soon too.

As far as your issues with God, that's between you and Him. But, just like any other contemptousness, it can only be resolved by talking with the one you're angry with.

If it will make you feel better, I'll mentally yell at God tonight before I go to bed, ask him why he's making it so damn hard to believe in him, etc. But then aren't I sinning by questioning God? But I'm also sinning if I don't do it. AHHH. Religious paradoxes.