Iran achieves stealth technology!!!!!

Iran is currently constructing the biggest L band test room in the Middle East in order to conduct further studies in this regard

Did anyone else notice this line? In so many words, what it's saying is that Iran is still in the earily stages of testing. They haven't even completed construction of a large scale test facility yet (according to this source). When the US started developing it's steath technology, it began ground testing in 1974, the first working steath plane didn't fly until 1976.

If Iran was really getting close to such a major breakthrough in strategic military technology, why are they so open about it? Historically, the countries that have work with steath technology tend to keep it low profile until it become operational. This sounds like Iran is bragging about something it hasn't even tested yet. Does anyone else find this odd?

I sense deception! I think this is a really big propaganda campain, not a serious cutting edge technology breakthrough. If Iran is using something they don't have yet for a big propaganda effort, ask yourself: What do they want?

Tim

Originally posted by u4ria

i know what your saying, but i was on about tech thats allready waiting to be used when its needed.
not transdimensional engines and tesla's death ray

Nonetheless.. 50 years??.. thats fast fwding to 2056..
That's a tall claim in thread that already got enough tall claims from eiher side..

I dont think that anyone can say that Iran cant produce tech breakthroughs. All it takes one single well motivated genius with decent funding to make giant leaps in advancing technology. All this kind of reminds me of what the US air force people said about japans planes before WW2.. they though they were a joke and that the county was incapable of building advanced planes.

Channel 4 (UK) are currently doing an excellent report on Iran. This gives a very refreshing insight into pretty much all aspects of Iran, including science and technology (life and culture section for example)

www.channel4.com/iran

Uh, congrats and all, but most countries are starting to develep various copys of American stealth technology...

and if another country is just now getting this, aren't they late to the game...

it is practically obsolete as there are radars being developed that can see stealth, and other methods that make it less useful...

Get back to us when you have a frikin death ray... or sharks with frikin laser beams on there heads...

So this is what a couple plywood boards painted black and nailed to your F-84 Gs (The GT version that has autopilot) This really isnt exciting.

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

Get back to us when you have a frikin death ray... or sharks with frikin laser beams on there heads...

Did anyone actually get the drift?!

This is rediculous.

Are you people saying that Iran, with glorified Scud's , is off making low observable aircraft ?? I mean the Soviet Union with thousands of the best minds along with insane funding was not able to produce this technology even thought the exact theory was provided by them and Iran which doesnt even have a decent car company is going to produce low observable aircraft ??
What do we then expect China or India to be doing? Secretly building intergalactic spaceships ???

Just because a country can make a 4000k intertial guided missile(Which in reality I think is gyro guided but lets give them the benefit of the doubt) doesnt mean that they can create low observable aircraft. Even a kid knows the theory behind it but the ability to manufacture those kinds of materials and those kinds of contours is very advanced manufacturing that the Iranians simply dont have this . Nothing in their country shows that they have that kind of capability, unless of course they have a secret undergroud advanced civilization and what they show themselves to be is just a cover.

tis easy to learn when others already know how.

wouldn't surpise me if its all garbage. like "look out we got stealth, we are dangerous"

like ooohhh scary...not

Well i guess its time for the West to deploy 1 of its secret black ops things for the public and make the stealth Iran look crap again woo you got stealth we got this pow zip bam a new technology deployed.

If you think we ain't got things better than stealth now in the west you be a fool, as our technology deff ain't stood still since we perfected stealth well over 2 decades ago, what we have now is the question but rest assured we have something.

And so what if Iran has stealth, i know i don't care as if they attack us we deff wipe them out and all our enemies as well while we at it, as i suspect if 1 nuke went off all enemies nations would be attacked depending on if we were tracking more incoming missiles.

i even suspect USA has anti matter bombs I'm bloody sure theres something better than nukes now days in the 21st Century, oh its only been 60 plus years since atom bombs and nukes followed pretty fast didn't they now the question is theres deff been 40 plus years of non major development improvements on nukes, you think technology stands still pfft, id say we got some scary stuff that its kept secret cause of public knew about it there would be an up roar.

less than 3 years to build atom bomb from scratch
plus 10 years we make nukes
now WTF is there after that hmm nukes,nukes an nukes HUH HUH so we deff didn't think hey lets make a new type of bomb better than nukes rite silly me of course we didn't, we just twiddled our thumbs thinking woo we got nukes um bungo uga uga, we now reached maximum tech and cant develop better uga uga, so for over 40 plus years technology hasnt moved on in weapons nukes and beyond i dont think so, its just kept mega secret.

[edit on 10-3-2006 by blobby]

Wow, Iran has stealth eh? I didn't know they had modern amenities such as soap, and glass.. Iran is getting posh now with their new nuclear facilities and actual running water....I'd hate to be the test pilot in that craft, in a balsa wood mockup....I didn't even know they had wind tunnels

Originally posted by spearhead

like ooohhh scary...not

Grow up.

Originally posted by blobby

And so what if Iran has stealth..

This is the Weaponry forum.

Originally posted by DARKJEDIG
Wow, Iran has stealth eh? I didn't know they had modern amenities such as soap...

Discuss the topic or get out of the thread.

Members have already been asked to maintain some decorum. Half of the replies here consist of 'So what, mine's bigger than yours' and general insults which are of no use and no interest at all to anyone who should be posting here.

Post on topic, or post somewhere else. It is ridiculous that a third member of staff has had to post here asking members to behave like adults. Feel free to question the validity of the claims, petty sniping and childish jibes are not wanted nor required though.

Come on, ATS is better than this.

Jak

i thought i was discussing the topic, I was merely writing what i THOUGHT about them having stealth technology which is a joke to me, and i was putting my viewpoint across..I didnt know we were not allowed to joke around about a topic, we are only allowed to discuss in a serious manner? Geez and I thought the government was granting restrictions!

JAK,
Good point, but look at the first line of the original post...

all the "oohh i'm so scared" comments are in response to the ego of the original posters statement...

I beleive it went something like "you all will be so jeolous because iran has stealth and has done so much"

Which indicates that the person is being ignorant and needed to be corrected. "that we are not jeolous, and for good reason"
if there was a different intention of the original poster, then i missed it.

I don't believe that it was just me who thought this was developing into nothing more than a slug-fest fit for PTS. As I said, three members of staff felt they needed to post in order to calm things down.

This member was proud of his country's developments. Rather than exposing any ego it appeared apparent to me that the comment on jealousy was a pre-emptive remark referring to all the flack that the member presumed they would recieve, hence the "what i can i do? take the critiscm i guess.". A comment which would have been much better met with mature debate making it totally invalid rather than the unfortunate remarks, such as those mentioned in my previous post, which proved his concerns were well founded.

Such as

Originally posted by DARKJEDIG
I didn't know they had modern amenities such as soap, and glass..

is not addressing the topic, just baiting.


The topic is :

TEHRAN, Mar. 7 (MNA) -- Iranian experts have gained access to the strategic stealth technology which is only accessed by a few developed countries in the world.
Stealth technology covers a range of techniques used with aircraft, ships and missiles, in order to make them less visible (ideally invisible) to radar and other detection methods.


Iran is currently constructing the biggest L band test room in the Middle East in order to conduct further studies in this regard.


www.mehrnews.com...

Please continue to debate it.

Thank you,

Jak

[edit on 10/3/06 by JAK]

Originally posted by Mehran
lets just forget it! mods please close this thread down. theres no reason for it anymore.

No need for that, I am asking you a serious question. Is the plane you are referring to the Shafaq?

As you may have read in my earlier post where I quoted from GlobalSecurity, that this plane has some radar absorbing materials, but is not a full stealth aircraft.

Do you have more information or details about this plane?

I would like to point out that making products with stealth is actually not that hard. You can actually make a very decent plane with stealth technology which is based around faceted surfaces and some radar absorbing material and paint and this would be very stealthy and you don't even really need composite materials you can do it with normal aircraft grade aluminum and RAM and the computer power for this is really cheep in fact to calculate the facets you could easily do it on a computer thats built for about $5,000 you could even do it on the PC you are on now but you have to understand the more powerful/expensive the computer the faster the results will be calculated.

The reason why countries don't have a stealth bomber right now is for some stupid reason every country on earth seems to be trying to match the f-22 people want to run before they can walk they are jumping straight into composite materials, advanced radar absorbing paints & materials, engine sound suppression and Infrared signature reduction and are trying to encase this in a body that uses curves for deflecting radar like f-22/b-2 rather then facets. Don't get me wrong thats good and all but if they had concentrated on faceted surfaces instead of curved and kept to basic RAM and RAP they would have already had a plane and then they could have continued research on a more advanced version like the f-22/f-35 etc..

stealth is available to anybody who understand even the basics of how radar, IR and sound suppression works its not some magic trick that only 1 person on earth can do the only thing is some people are better at stealth then others.

they probably just painted their airplanes black and someone couldn't see them in the dark

Originally posted by ghost
When the US started developing it's steath technology, it began ground testing in 1974, the first working steath plane didn't fly until 1976.

This is only based on information we are aware of. The known stealth planes that were flown were the SR-71, the F-117, and the B-2A *Service wise* then later the F-22. Of course we now know that there is a potential the SR-71 was active in the 1960's, in which stealth would've been achieved at an earlier date.

Needless to say, do I think Iran has stealth technology? Not yet I don't, but that's subject to change. Do I think they're capable of achieving this possibility? Yes, as are any other nations if they THINK about it.

Originally posted by Shugo

Originally posted by ghost
When the US started developing it's steath technology, it began ground testing in 1974, the first working steath plane didn't fly until 1976.

Of course we now know that there is a potential the SR-71 was active in the 1960's, in which stealth would've been achieved at an earlier date.

SR-71 Timeline:

The SR-71 timeline here is a compilation of important dates pulled from many sources. It has been updated to add important dates not contained in any of the sources listed at the bottom of this presentation.

24 December 1957: First J-58 engine run.
1 May 1960: Francis Gary Powers is shot down in a U-2 over the Soviet Union.
13 June 1962: SR-71 mock-up reviewed by Air Force.
30 July 1962: J58 completes pre-flight testing.
28 December 1962: Lockheed signs contract to build six SR-71 aircraft.
25 July 1964: President Johnson makes public announcement of SR-71.
29 October 1964: SR-71 prototype (#61-7950) delivered to Palmdale.
7 December 1964: Beale AFB, CA announced as base for SR-71.
22 December 1964: First flight of the SR-71 with Lockheed test pilot Bob Gilliland at AF Plant #42.
2 July 1967: Jim Watkins and Dave Dempster fly first international sortie in SR-71A #17972 when the INS fails on a training mission and they accidentally fly into Mexican airspace.
3 November 1967: A-12 and SR-71 conduct a reconnaissance fly-off. Results were questionable.
5 February 1968: Lockheed ordered to destroy A-12, YF-12, and SR-71 tooling.
8 March 1968: First SR-71A (#61-7978) arrives at Kadena AB (OL 8) to replace A-12s.
21 March 1968: First SR-71 (#61-7976) operational mission flown from Kadena AB over Vietnam.
29 May 1968: CMSGT Bill Gormick begins the tie-cutting tradition of Habu crews neck-ties.
3 December 1975: First flight of SR-71A #61-7959 in "Big Tail" configuration.
20 April 1976: TDY operations started at RAF Mildenhall in SR-71A #17972.
27/28 July 1976: SR-71A sets speed and altitude records (Altitude in Horizontal Flight: 85,068.997 ft. and Speed Over a Straight Course: 2,193.167 mph).
August 1980: Honeywell starts conversion of AFICS to DAFICS.
15 January 1982: SR-71B #61-7956 flies its 1,000th sortie.
22 November 1989: Air Force SR-71 program officially terminated.
21 January 1990: Last SR-71 (#61-7962) left Kadena AB.
26 January 1990: SR-71 is decommissioned at Beale AFB, CA.
6 March 1990: Last SR-71 flight under SENIOR CROWN program, setting 4 world records.
25 July 1991: SR-71B #61-7956/NASA #831 officially delivered to NASA Dryden.
October 1991: Marta Bohn-Mayer becomes first female SR-71 crew-member.
28 September 1994: Congress votes to allocate $100 million for reactivation of three SR-71s.
26 April 1995: First reactivated SR-71A (#61-7971) makes its first flight after restoration by Lockheed.
28 June 1995: First reactivated SR-71 returns to Air Force at Detachment 2.
28 August 1995: Second reactivated SR-71A (#61-7967) makes first flight after restoration.
19 October 1997: The last flight of SR-71B #61-7956 at Edwards AFB Open House.
9 October 1999: The last flight of the SR-71 (#61-7980/NASA 844).
September 2002: Final resting places of #956, #971, and #980 are made known.

first flight :1964
first operational mission :1967

so yes stealth was flying in the mid 60's as the SR71