Stargates are real

Originally posted by undo
Gofunk,

1. It was meant as a plausible deniability scenario (I mentioned this on the first page of this thread)
[edit on 1-3-2008 by undo]

Maybe someone already mentioned this, but the SG1 series practically "admits" to this in their own show. Remember the Wormhole X-treme episode? The US government lets the show continue, even after realizing that the writer was a transplanted alien entity (if I recall correctly,) because it does provide plausible denial. There is even an episode where the SG team is asked to help consult for the show...much like the USAF very openly does with the SG series. There is also another episode entitled "Disclosure" which takes an interesting look at similar themes.

I don't know if this is conditioning, disinfo, coincidence, or simply the fact that these are powerful memes in society which authors of speculative fiction enjoy exploring just as much as the ATS crowd.

The fact that a movie "Stargate" exists should not detract from the credibility of the interesting research and discussion presented in this thread. By that logic, you could say aliens obviously can't exist because movies have been made about them, and conspiracy theories are nothing but the delusions of people who watched too many X-Files episodes (well, maybe there is some inspiration but I don't think it is a simple cause and effect!)

As an SG fan, conspiracy theorist, and one with an interest in all things regarding ancient civilizations, alien astronauts, multidimensional entities and travel, and other so-called speculative topics, I am proud to say that this is one of the threads that first brought me to ATS...and I'm glad to see it is still going strong!

Oh my god......made it from page 1 thru 17 with a massive hangover. I just could not stop reading! My head is bangin' now though.

Anyhow, what an amazing thread. I'll be reading the other 100 pages soon enough.

Thanks Undo.

Where are your sources?

READ. THE. THREAD.

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Yes, I agree. I didn't even know half of what I know now when I began this thread. There's definitely something going on, what it is, is the big question.

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you're most welcome but don't just thank me, Zorg and several others have contributed alot of useful info to this thread. For example, government research documents, .pdf files with all manner of interesting data that most people think is scifi but is actually underway in any one of several facilities. It's pretty darn exciting and disconcerting at the same time

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How could I forget DOOM? It was released the same year as the SG movie too. Too bad the movie adaption was so tepid. As I recall, all references to teleportation and "Hell" were removed.

Stargate video game wiki - This game has much more in common with the TV franchise than any other related source. I can't think of any other example where the gate sits in orbit, for ships to fly through. The ship in the game is a lot like a wraith dart, and the whole hybrid/mutant theme is just too similar.

Zorgon - another Alice for you, but I bet you're already aware. I remember about 15-20 years ago when Clearchannel started giving their radio stations personal names. "Alice" was the first one, I believe, and they still use it in several major markets. I always thought it was weird, even before I started wearing a tin-foil hat.

Originally posted by Teratoma
Zorgon - another Alice for you, but I bet you're already aware.

No I didn't have that one. thanks

Want a better one?

Shhhh keep this under your hat...

Alice in Wonderland: The Power of Applied Confusion

The aim of the Alice in Wonderland or confusion technique is to confound the expectations and conditioned reactions of the interrogatee. He is accustomed to a world that makes sense, at least to him: a world of continuity and logic, a predictable world. He clings to this world to reinforce his identity and powers of resistance. The confusion technique is designed not only to obliterate the familiar, but to replace it with the weird…as the process continues, day after day as necessary, the subject begins to try to make sense of the situation, which becomes mentally intolerable… he is likely to make significant admissions, or even to pour out his story

Now be very careful with this link... I don't know what will happen when thousands of ATSer's suddenly hit this file


SOURCE: DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) College
Spook School but these guys are tougher than the CIA so tread softly

This is a 450 page document for spooks to be on intel 'gathering'

www.dia.mil...


Back to the CERN "Time Portal"




www.thelivingmoon.com...
www.thelivingmoon.com...

Originally posted by shipovfools
Maybe someone already mentioned this, but the SG1 series practically "admits" to this in their own show..

We call this phenomena "HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT"



I will go with conditioning... and it is working. I have talked to many high school kids and they have no problem with the concept that they are telling us the truth using Hollywood

Remember that back in WWII Hollywood was used in a big way for pro American propaganda, including the Bugs Bunny cartoons...
en.wikipedia.org...


Also Wernher von Braun and Walt Disney collaborated on a Moon Base movie to cover the REAL project that von Braun was in charge of with the Army

The still from that operation is still going around the web as a famous "moon base proof" even though you can see the Disney logo in the bottom right corner...



Another member here created this animation to show this..




www.thelivingmoon.com...

Synapsis of the thread (for those who don't have time to read the whole thing and all the supporting documents, to boot):

Okay, it all started while I was pondering the meaning of the "Bottomless Pit" in Revelation 9. The chapter indicates the events are happening in the area of the Euphrates (which threw me off for a long time). So I started studying ancient texts to see if one of them might reveal what this bottomless pit was and where precisely it was located.

I stumbled upon sumerian-akkadian texts entitled "ENKI AND THE WORLD ORDER" and "ENKI'S JOURNEY TO NIBRU," which in addition to describing Enki's "Temple" also described the Abzu (however briefly). I also read some of the research performed by Samuel Noah Kramer, who was one of the original assyriologists who worked on deciphering the sumerian-akkadian cuneiform texts.

It was here I noticed the disparity between translations that lead to the star gate theory:

In the texts translated by Penn State university, Enki's temple rose up from the Abzu.

In the same texts translated by Samuel Noah Kramer, Enki's temple rose up from the abyss.

Now I knew the abyss and the bottomless pit were synonmous and interchangeable in biblical texts so that caught my eye (naturally!).

To verify that I was on the right track, I started researching the etymology for all the words involved (abzu, abyss, bottomless pit). These gleaned Apsu, Absu, and so forth. That was how I realized that Samuel Noah Kramer was already aware that the Abzu was the Abyss. the two words were identical and had been mistranslated to mean ocean or sea in texts that came out after the sumerian-akkadian time frame. they were also misunderstood to mean swamp land or underground rivers, by people trying to figure out what the Abzu actually was.

This is where a new problem arose. How, I thought, could the Abyss (the sea) be under Enki's temple and how could his temple rise up from it? It didn't make sense. So I went back to Revelation 9 and pondered how these two things could possibly have anything to do with each other.

Aside from having the same etymology, they also had the same general geographical locations involved, although the reference to the Euphrates threw me off for awhile.

I had originally assumed the Abzu was only under Enki's E.ABZU temple on land. That turned out to be incorrect, as Samuel Noah Kramer was explaining:

"Then Enki raises the city of Eridu from the abyss and makes it float over the water like a lofty mountain."

There it's floating over the water, in which the abyss resides. Obviously, I thought, the abyss and the water are two different things, but the abyss is in the water. But it was also under Enki's temple on land. If it wasn't water but was underground rivers, how'd it get in the ocean?

You can see the processes ye olde noggin went threw to arrive at the conclusion that this was some kind of entry way, and that it was not only under enki's temple on land but another one, even bigger (big enough for an entire floating city to rise up from it) was in the ocean (or to be more precise, the Persian Gulf).

Since the time of ancient Sumer, deposition of Euphrates river silt has added an additional 65 miles of shoreline out into the Gulf. This is how the "bottomless pit" ends up IN the Euphrates river, which is verified by Revelation 9. The bottomless pit is where the "angels" who had been tinkering with the human race prior to the flood scenario, had been sent, and the thing was locked up. In Rev. 9, there are 4 angels IN the Euphrates, basically describing that the bottomless pit is IN the Euphrates. It wouldn't have been IN the Euphrates in John's time frame, because it took all this time for the river silt to build up this additional shoreline and river edge.

I knew the Bottomless Pit was an opening with a door, and that "angelic beings" had been sent there, along with a few other not so pleasant characters. I also knew the angel comes down with a key and opens it. It dawned on me that you can't "open" the ocean, so this basically suggested that the Bottomless Pit, Abzu and Abyss were all the same thing and that it was an entry way with a door or gate, that was somehow locked and could be unlocked, to allow passage of these bizarre sounding creatures. Since they were flying creatures, I treated them the same way Samuel Noah Kramer treated Enki's flying city, et.al, I assumed they were flying contraptions being piloted by some alien looking beings, presumably "angels" of some kind.

I theorized that the angels may have to be given a more thorough research, to determine what exactly they were in this context. So I started lookign for instances of gates/door/abzus and references to the sea that might have been mistranslated from abyss/abzu, in the other ancient texts and came upon the Epic of Gilgamesh. chapter 9 of the Epic describes Gilgamesh as a hybrid, trying to use the Gate of Mt. Mashu, that will supposedly send him to "paradise" where this character is located who sounds a great deal like Noah but is actually not Noah. He takes a long journey thru a dark tunnel and emerges into this garden where the trees and plants grow crystals instead of fruit. this is where he finds the mixed up rendition of the Noah character.

Anyway that gate is guarded by two powerful beings who are called "Scorpion Men" in the text. I think that's not really scorpion men, no more than King Scorpion (egyptian Narmer) was actually a scorpion man, but there was some feature, specific to this particular race of beings that suggested "Scorpion." This gave creedence to the description of the beings coming out of the bottomless pit who were said to have tails like scorpions. It also pointed in the direction of the Gates of Eden.

In Genesis, when Adam and Eve are tossed out of paradise, they are sent through the gates of Eden and the gates are then "blocked" by these angelic beings. I was starting to notice a repetitive trend. Whatever these beings were in the bottomless pit, they were for certain some type of angelic being, potentially other world, extra-terrestrial.

Anyway, that accounted for at least 2 abzus, the one under Enki's E.ABZU at Eridu (which was smalller for the passage of people i guess), and the big one in the gulf, which was for the passage of large objects. However, it seems the texts hint that Enlil (Enki's brother or father, depending on which version you read) also had an abzu, infact, his city is named NIBRU, which means gate and place of the crossing. Other texts discuss him being worthy of the Abzu or something like that. Nibru was quite a bit farther up the Euphrates than Eridu (which at the time of Enki's E.ABZU, was ocean front property).

So now I had 3 potential abzus to track. The big one was eventually buried by the euphrates. The Eridu one played a key role in the Tower of Babel fiasco, since it was here that Nimrod (Osiris/Enmerkar/Narmer) attempted to reopen the Eridu Abzu (which the theory contends is what the text means about it being a stairway to heaven).. Its fate is described in the biblical texts. The tower was destroyed, essentially burying the gate beneath it. (to alleviate any confusion, i should mention that Nimrod was trying to rebuild Enki's E.ABZU at Eridu. That's what the Tower of Babel was and that's where the building commenced. You can read some of the events surrounding it in ENMERKAR AND THE LORD OF ARRATA.

All that was left was Enlil's abzu, which I believe was also called the DUR.ANKI (the heaven-earth bond at Nibru). many biblical scholars agree that Nimrod was born of an egyptian mother and that at some point, he went back to Egypt. In fact, his mother was mentioned in many akkadian texts. She was known as Inana, Ishtar, Ashtoreth and Isis.

I believe it was at this juncture (the fall of the tower and subsequent reburial of the E.ABZU gate), that Nimrod fled to Egypt with the remaining gate, the DUR.ANKI from Enlil's city of Nibru. He and his entourage landed at what would become Abydos Egypt, built the Osirieon to house the DUR.ANKI gate and he was killed (see death of Osiris) at some later point. Circa 2700 BC or thereabouts.

Many hundreds of years pass and Seti I, decides to erect his temple at Abydos because it's the site of Osiris' "captial city," like the founding place for dynastic Egypt. During the excavation for his temple, they run smack into the Osirieon where it lay buried under the sand. Seti I has it incorporated into his temple. Later, he has his scribes pen the BOOK OF THE GATES, which is engraved, in its entirety, into Seti's alabaster sarcophagus.

Here's where I theorized that Seti I had found the gate, didn't know how to use it, specifically, so they guessed, partially based on old texts, which resulted in the Book of the Gates.

To find out what happened to it, I studied Seti I's tomb in the Valley of the Kings and LO and BEHOLD, the last corridor that drops even further down into the earth, by Seti's sarcophagus, dives right into the water, but the hieroglyphics continue down into the water. They claim they haven't finished excavating it but were supposed to do so in like 2001.


There's some verification that the Osirieon was indeed the site of an Abzu gate because the city it was built in, Abydos (egyptian Abdju), was phonetically pronounced "Abzu."
www.redmoonrising.com...

in the STARGATE movie, there's a flash back to the 40's or thereabouts, in which a discovery is made on the Giza Plateau. The discovery turns out to be a stargate device that can create and harness a wormhole. The american government has possession of it but don't know how to use it. when they finally learn how to use it, several decades later, the gate dials some location on the other side of the universe (the caelum galaxy), specifically, a planet that would later be called ABYDOS (btw).

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From the MUL.APIN Tablets:

The star to its side: The Harrow (GISH).GAN.UR, the weapon of d.A.E - in which one sees the Apsu --- [The First star of Libra. The Apsu, Sumerian AB.ZU "hole" is the "entry" to the underworld at the first star of Libra.]

This indicates the Abzu was a hole and an entry way "to the underworld", which ends up being connected to the "Field Constellation", etc.



Here's a couple quotes from the Pyramid Texts

"The Netherworld has grasped your hand at the place where Orion is,
the Bull of the Sky has given you his hand....."
- PT 437

"May a stairway to the Netherworld be set up for you to the place where Orion is,
may the Bull of the Sky take your hand..."
PT - 610

"I have gone up by means of the staff which is in the 'Place Where his Soul is Found'
I have gone up upon the ladder with my foot on Orion and my arm uplifted..."
- PT 625

The first quote above is from utterance 410 of the Pyramid Texts and shows that 'you of Djedu', a title of Osiris, 37 and the Djed pillar itself are situated in a mythological place called the 'place where his soul is found'. 38 Then in utterance 625 the Djed pillar in the 'place where his soul is found' is referred to as a "staff" by means of which the deceased "goes up", presumably referring to the staffs of the Four Sons of Horus combined in the east which help lift the King into heaven.

www.pyramidofman.com...

And here's my list of sources for the info so far:

Seti I's Tomb
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enki and the World Order
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...#

Enki's journey to Nibru
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...#

Enmerkar and the Lord of Arrata
doormann.tripod.com...

Shabaka Stone
terraflex.co.il...
www.maat.sofiatopia.org...

Mul.Apin Tablets
www.geocities.com...

Wormholes/Stargate Tech/Teleportation
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.americanantigravity.com...
researchweb.watson.ibm.com...
www.fas.org...
arxiv.org...
scholar.google.com...

The Osirieon
www.phouka.com...
www.thestargates.com...
www.thestargates.com...
www.egyptarchive.co.uk...

The E.ABZU/Etemenanki/Tower of Babel
www.livius.org...

Revelation 9
www.blueletterbible.org...

ABZU Gates

freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com...
www.thestargates.com...
www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk...
www.thestargates.com...

Possible location of the big Abzu gate
www.globalsecurity.org...
www.globalsecurity.org...

Scorpion Men, Greys and Humans
www.thestargates.com...

List of links, including those listed above and series of images
of elongated skulls on egyptian royals
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Akkadian Cuneiform symbol for the word "flood", which I believe indicates that at one point the gates (7 in total) were used to flood of the earth and that this particular symbol is a depiction of a gate functioning as the "Abyss" or "Bottomless Pit", otherwise known as the Abzu




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Hi Undo!
I just got done reading over the material about the Canary Island, Guanches who were the original inhabitants of those islands. They are said to be tall, blue eyed blonds and redheads who mummified their dead and have pyramids and other similarities to the pre-dynastic Egyptians where researchers on this link are saying that it was the Proto-Guanches who introduced the peoples of Egypt to ... well, everything. Some speculate that the Guanches are the survivors of Atlantis.

Here's the link to that page:
forums.atlantisrising.com...
Lol, my vision is really blurry right now due to reading over all of the material on that page but I'm sure you are more than familiar with this information and was just wondering if any of has been covered in this thread anywhere and if you have a link to one of those pages. I have not yet tried the ATS "search" feature on this information but while we're at it.. what's your take on who the Guanches were and so on.
I found the information about them absolutely fascinating!

PS -- reading over your last few posts and looking at those links! Thanks for posting that information!

[edit on 21-5-2008 by wang_ke_~]

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I believe that the scifi show stargate was on was before we entered Iraq. If a stargate did exist then I am sure we would have removed it long time ago.

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This got me thinking...just how many pyramids are there world wide?
Could the parts be hidden in these places? What about if it is symbolic for seeds, as seeds do come from a "Member"? Maybe the parts are hidden as glyph clues to the true location, rather like a scavanger hunt!

Originally posted by undo
It's interesting to note that the obelisk was said to be modelled after Osiris' missing body part, his "private member". So, perhaps the stone from the Osirieon pyramid was cut into 14 separate obelisks and spread around egypt. There's something there, I just don't have enough details yet.

Here is the quote I was thinking about. Obelisks were records with hyroglyphs...so if they planted them in several places, would it not be like planting seeds for a future generation to reap a harvest? Seeds of knowledge.

Originally posted by wang_ke_~
Hi Undo!
I just got done reading over the material about the Canary Island, Guanches who were the original inhabitants of those islands. They are said to be tall, blue eyed blonds and redheads who mummified their dead and have pyramids and other similarities to the pre-dynastic Egyptians where researchers on this link are saying that it was the Proto-Guanches who introduced the peoples of Egypt to ... well, everything. Some speculate that the Guanches are the survivors of Atlantis.

You know a while back looking over google maps for Chinese military sites I came across a reference to European graves found in China... They made the area a Nuclear test site figuring no one would find the mummies...

Didn't work.. (the info flag is posted over the test site at Google Earth..)

But I just did another search... and look what NOVA turned up...

The Takla Makan Mummies
In the late 1980's, perfectly preserved 3000-year-old mummies began appearing in a remote Chinese desert. They had long reddish-blond hair, European features and didn't appear to be the ancestors of modern-day Chinese people. Archaeologists now think they may have been the citizens of an ancient civilization that existed at the crossroads between China and Europe.

www.pbs.org...

The recent movie about Alexander the Great had his wife being a tall redhead... (I need to find out if this was taken from history)

and I also found this from the BBC

Signs carved into 8,600-year-old tortoise shells found in China may be the earliest written words, say archaeologists.
news.bbc.co.uk...

It is amazing how many new finds there have been in the last decade showing civilization is a LOT older than we were told... and now evidence is coming up putting it a lot closer to the 10 to 12 thousand year mark of 'Atlantis'


I need to start paying more attention to NOVA they just did one on the Secret Astronauts and Space Platforms recently, something I have been trying to prove for some time and here they go and interview the Generals involved

Go figure... wish I had their resources for research

[edit on 23-5-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by Archideva
reply to post by undo

 

This got me thinking...just how many pyramids are there world wide?
Could the parts be hidden in these places? What about if it is symbolic for seeds, as seeds do come from a "Member"? Maybe the parts are hidden as glyph clues to the true location, rather like a scavanger hunt!

you mean the parts of the gate?

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Zorg, check out the skeletons on the right hand side in this picture, particularly the one behind the other, whose face is blotched out by something. those don't look human to me. (put it in your graphics program and zoom in on it)
newsimg.bbc.co.uk...

also, look at the cheekbone of the one on the left. that doesn't look right either.

[edit on 23-5-2008 by undo]

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Maybe that's why the Chinese wanted to Nuke the area? Can't have their people thinking that tall blond and redheaded Vikings from Outer Space were there before them

The interesting thing is before the NOVA report the skuttlebutt had THIS to say...

ANCIENT MUMMIES FOUND BURIED IN CHINA--4000 Year old bodies very well preserved and are Caucasian ... HOLOCAUST OF GIANTS: THE GREAT SMITHSONIAN COVER-UP ...

so maybe since we found that site in Turkey with "Thor's Hammer" pillars and awesome engravings of animals BEFORE pottery was invented... there REALLY IS something to the "NORDIC" aliens that keep showing up all the time...

Howard Menger and George Adamski... both describe them when they saw the folkes from Venus

Lobsang Rampa describes them

There is the Val Thor incident from the 50'd dealing with Val visiting the Pentagon from Venus Val "THOR"

I hate coincidences I really do... and now SG1 connects the 'Gray's" to the Norsemen

I think I will follow this trail for awhile... especially since the story of the Rainbow Bridge is so close to a gate 'crossing'

Incidently Howard Menger is the one who verified the color of the Lunar Sky for John a particular shade of saffron




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the takia mummies look human to me but those skeletons, they do not. particulary the skulls, the cheekbones are all wrong. the one on the left appears to have had something laying next to it in the grave that has been edited out of the picture and the one underneath the other in the right hand side, appears to have had a half vase superimposed over most of his head. you can tell it's superimposed because the color variation in the sand nearby, matches the vase but not the rest of the sand.

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Wow! Thanks for this information Zorgon and will look everything over!
Very intriguing material here!



Hmmm... posted a comment to undo about those skeleton's but it's not showing up here for some reason. Anyway was just saying that I looked over that photo and am seeing what you are... very interesting!

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