The NFL CBA is a sham!

Apparently, the NFL doesn't really have a salary cap. Aparently, the NFL doesn't really punish teams for sloppy management.

Free agency has been pushed back THREE times now, and why? So teams like the Redskins and Bucs don't have to lose any players due to their lack of cap management!

I HATE DAN SNYDER AND PAUL TAGLIABUE!!!!!!!!

:bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd:

I HATE DAN SNYDER AND PAUL TAGLIABUE!!!!!!!!

Another Dan snyder than the one who was killed in the car crash with Dany heatley I assume.

Yeah this is nonsence what they are doing, the rich owners are trying to get richer and thats about it.

Originally posted by chissler
Yeah this is nonsence what they are doing, the rich owners are trying to get richer and thats about it.

Why is that nonsense? What other reason is there to own one of these companies/sporting-teams? Sports are a big business, that's all. All the stuff about 'teamwork' and 'rugged individualism' and comradery and hope and all that is just advertising and good PR work for the industry.

If I had the time I would try to post numbers, but being at work I dont really have a chance too so I'll just go with what I have upstairs.

I have read where the owners are recieving like $95 Million a year just from television deals. The problem here is not lying with a conflict between the NFL and NFLPA. What I am reading is that its a major conflict within the owners of the NFL and they can not agree with revenue sharing.

So basically the owners who are already filthy rich, are risking the life of the NFL over a % of the revenue. If it was something that would make or break your team and/or league I could justify why you would take this chance. But this reasoning is just selfish.

Now your saying Ok well that is the name of the game, your an owner for a reason. It is to profit as much as possible, Ok but profit should not come at the expense of everything else. The NHL narrowly escaped extinction with their actions, the NFL should learn from their mistakes.

When you profit as much as these guys are, you can spare a few % for the benefit of the league.

Dan Snyder is the billioner owner of the Washington Redskins who is the man mainly responsable for no deal being reached.


Chissler, you bring up a good point about the owners. The revenue sharing problems they are having issues with is local revenue sharing. Smaller clubs want it shared, larger clubs want to keep it for themselves.

The greater problem here though is the players union. The NFLPA refuses to agree to a deal that does not involve a % increase in in league wide reenue for player salary. The problem is that the former deal was struck when there were much lower TV contracts. Even if the NFLPA accepted a % cut from 59.6% (im fairly sure that is the actual number) to 58% like the NFL owners are offering, that would still represent an increase of over 300 MILLION minumum dollars available in player salary league wide.

Frankly, the NFLPA is acting as if an uncapped year is what they want, and have even said so publically. This will hurt all but the biggest super stars though. Players will lose a ton of benefits, like their 401k and pension plans. ore importantly though, they will have to play 6 years instead of the current 4 on their rookie contracts (which are very small) before they will be allowed to reach free agency.

I place blame equally all around for stupidity. :bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd:

Originally posted by chissler
It is to profit as much as possible, Ok but profit should not come at the expense of everything else.

Commie.

You probably don't even like Football and prefer soccer. Damned Socialist.

they will have to play 6 years instead of the current 4 on their rookie contracts (which are very small) before they will be allowed to reach free agency.

Wow...

NHL players have to play 7 years before being able to pursue any form of free agency. A rookie can claim after 4 years? News to me, thats way to early I think.

This friction between the two seems to be coming out of nowhere for me, for years all professional leagues have been compared to the NFL, as it was seen this was the best oiled machine of all the big leagues.

It is good to see this issue being taken head on very early though, unlike the NHL who waited until the 11th hour to try to make a deal, these guys are getting to it when they still have time to butt heads. Although free agency will be interesting without the comfort of knowing their will be a league in 2008.





[edit on 6-3-2006 by chissler]

This is just posing guys. Too much to be lost on both sides. This will come to an equitable end. AMM, don't stress it, some teams are run that way. Small market? Like GREEN BAY???? They seem to be doing fine. Seattle doesn't seem to be hurting either. This is all political crap that will be shortly forgotten. Posturing.

Chissler, I think Nygdan was joking.

Yeah I think so too. Hasn't been the best of days, quick edit and moving on.

Originally posted by chissler

Wow...

NHL players have to play 7 years before being able to pursue any form of free agency. A rookie can claim after 4 years? News to me, thats way to early I think.

The difference is, in football your career is MUCH shorter. In the NHL, you can play into your 40's, and still be a very good player. In the NFL, the absolute youngest you can play is 20. That is for VERY select players who graduate high school at 17 and are good enough by 20 (like Mike Vick and Clinton Portis) to play at such a young age. More often, rookies are 22 at the youngest when they come into the NFL.

To add to this, players are considered "old" when they are about 28. To put things inperspective, the average NFL career is less then 3 years. That to me is the problem... About 70% of NFL players are not going to make it 6 years in the NFL, but they will make up most of the league. They are the players getting screwed to make the super star players rich.

That's the thing about the NFL... Unlike soccer, hockey, baseball, or any other sport, football requires a physical as well as mental and skillfull maturity that no other sport demands. It's simply that physical.

Often times you see 17 or 18 year old kids playing pro hockey, soccer, baseball, or basketball. In football, you simply can't do that. Your body is just not developed enough at that age.

This friction between the two seems to be coming out of nowhere for me, for years all professional leagues have been compared to the NFL, as it was seen this was the best oiled machine of all the big leagues.

It is good to see this issue being taken head on very early though, unlike the NHL who waited until the 11th hour to try to make a deal, these guys are getting to it when they still have time to butt heads. Although free agency will be interesting without the comfort of knowing their will be a league in 2008.

The NFL is in a unique situation. It is the most profitable sport on the planet, and it really isn't close. Soccer may have more interest world wide, but the NFL playoffs generate more TV money then soccer could ever dream to.

Both sides are going to cook the golden goose if they can't come to an agreement. It's really sad. This is an industry where a cheap team will cost close to a BILLION dollars... Never mind a large market team. And unlike other pro franchises, these teams are literally FORCED to make money, because the salary cap (that can be spent on players) is far lower then the total amount recieved by each team from revenue sharing. This of course does not include local revenue...

As you touched on, the sad part is in 2008...

The NFLPA keeps saying they will neer allow a cap again if they are allowed to play without one. The NFL mean while stands to be sued for tens of BILLIONS of dollars if they can't agree on a deal because of the fine print of league rules...

All of this makes me want to

Originally posted by intrepid
This is just posing guys. Too much to be lost on both sides. This will come to an equitable end. AMM, don't stress it, some teams are run that way. Small market? Like GREEN BAY???? They seem to be doing fine. Seattle doesn't seem to be hurting either. This is all political crap that will be shortly forgotten. Posturing.

Chissler, I think Nygdan was joking.

Greenbay is a unique case though... Small market, but in a city with no compitition. The same goes for the Pittsburgh Steelers. With reenue sharing and a cap, these teams are fine.

Without a cap, they will be consistently mediocre teams.

The Seahawks will be fine though... But that is because Paul Allen owns them, and is one of the 20 most wealthy people in the world. He's worth litterally BILLIONS of dollars. Much like Mark Cuban and the owner of Chelsea (russina guy whos name I can not spell) he will keep his club in contention by spending his own money.

Personally, I live in Philly. It's a top 5 media market, but we have the Redskins, Giants, and Cowboys in our division. That's Wahington DC, New York, and Dallas as the competing markets. We don't stand a chance.

I've been through this before. I remember the Eagles late 80's and early 90's Buddy Ryan teas...

We had a defense with Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons, Seth Joyner, Eric Allen, and Andre Watters.

We had the best QB in the NFL in Randall Cunningham. We had Hershal Walker. Keith Byars. Chris Carter. Etc etc etc. But we had to face the 3 best teams in the NFL twice a year. So we didn't have a chance.

In fact, the one year we had a chance, Cunningham was injured for the year while our D had the greatest year in the history of the NFL (#1 in pass defense, rush defense, scoring defense and total defense).

I will flip a lid if the Eagles ever have to go back to playing on such unequal terms again. There simply is no way financially the Eagles can be competative with those three teams, even though we are among the most wealthy teams.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
Free agency has been pushed back THREE times now, and why? So teams like the Redskins and Bucs don't have to lose any players due to their lack of cap management!

I HATE DAN SNYDER AND PAUL TAGLIABUE!!!!!!!!

:bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd::bnghd:

ummm wher do you see three times? i see till monday at 12:01 am and to thur at 12:01

that's two by my count

[edit on 7-3-2006 by bigx01]

Originally posted by bigx01
ummm wher do you see three times? i see till monday at 12:01 am and to thur at 12:01

that's two by my count

Free agency was moved from Friday @ 12:01 AM to Sunday at 6:00 PM.

Then from 6:00 PM to 11:00 PM.

Then from 11:00 PM sunday to thursday.

THREE TIMES!!!!!!!!

All so Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones and Malcom Glazer don't have to blow up their pathetic rosters!

Hell, at least the Giants can run a damn football team. I can take New York winning the NFC East because they out managed other teams. Those other owners and teams just want to throw money at their roster, rules be damned!

And when it comes time to pay up for their poor management?

Get the commisioner to delay free agency of course! That way they don't have to deal with their terrible management.

Originally posted by American Mad Man

Originally posted by bigx01
ummm wher do you see three times? i see till monday at 12:01 am and to thur at 12:01

that's two by my count

Free agency was moved from Friday @ 12:01 AM to Sunday at 6:00 PM.

Then from 6:00 PM to 11:00 PM.

Then from 11:00 PM sunday to thursday.

THREE

TIMES!!!!!!!!

Wednesday, March 1, 2006

NFL labor talks reach impasse

By JUDY BATTISTA
THE NEW YORK TIMES

The NFL's labor negotiations broke off Tuesday, leaving teams with just the slimmest hope that a deal to extend the collective bargaining agreement would be reached in time to avoid chaos when free agency begins Friday.

No further talks are scheduled, the NFL said in a statement, and the league will not postpone free agency.

from wed paper
thats when the start of free agency was supposed to start. friday

Thursday, March 2, 2006

NFL Notebook: Owners to meet in last-ditch effort for agreement
Seeking labor agreement, NFL owners to huddle today

By DAVE GOLDBERG
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK -- NFL owners will try today to find labor peace before the start of free agency, hoping to avoid the mass dumping of veterans for salary-cap reasons.

The owners will meet in New York, looking to reach an agreement with the players' union that could add $10 million to $15 million to a 2006 salary cap that currently is projected at about $95 million. Without it, some teams could be forced into wholesale cuts to get beneath the cap by midnight. Free agency starts Friday.

from thursday paper. still no move of free agency

Friday, March 3, 2006

NFL Notebook: Extension puts off NFL salary cap purge
Free agent deadline pushed back three days as labor talks continue

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK -- A few hours after NFL owners voted to continue their standoff with the players union, the league extended its deadline for free agency by three days, putting off what threatened to become a mass purge of high-priced players from rosters.

League vice president Joe Browne announced the delay Thursday afternoon, seven hours before the midnight deadline.

The owners' vote after a 57-minute meeting earlier in the day appeared to end 13 years of labor peace between the league and union.

Browne did not elaborate on the deadline delay, which gives the union 72 more hours to negotiate a contract extension to the labor agreement that could add about $10 million to the current salary cap of $94.5 million. Many teams spent the day scrambling to get under that figure, and a number of big-name players were expected to be cut when the deadline hit.

Free agency will now start at 12:01 a.m. EST Monday.

from friday paper
move number 1. from friday to monday at 12:01 am

Saturday, March 4, 2006

NFL Notebook: Hush on in labor talks
Yet positive signs seen in silence

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK -- Talks between the NFL and its players union resumed Friday afternoon, minus the rhetoric that has characterized earlier discussions.

That was perhaps a sign that the sides take seriously the ramifications of beginning free agency without a new deal -- something that was seven hours away from happening before the league and the union agreed Thursday to extend by three days the start of the NFL's new calendar year.

It now begins at 12:01 a.m. EST on Monday.

from saturday's paper
still only 1 move from friday to monday at 12:01 am

Sunday, March 5, 2006

Seahawks sign Shaun Alexander for $62 million
8-year deal is largest ever for running back

By DANNY O'NEIL
P-I REPORTER

Alexander has agreed to re-sign with the Seattle Seahawks, agreeing to an eight-year contract worth $62 million. In terms of total money in the contract, it is the largest ever signed by a running back; $15 million is to be paid in the first year.

Sunday began with Alexander just hours away from becoming a free agent. Never mind that the start to free agency was eventually delayed as the league's owners and players union continued negotiating an extension to the collective-bargaining agreement. The whole question of free agency is irrelevant when it comes to Alexander.

from update of sunday paper.
free agency moved from monday 12:01 am to current time of thursday at 12:01 am

move number 2

Monday, March 6, 2006

Alexander's deal raises questions about free agent market

By DANNY O'NEIL
P-I REPORTER

Shaun Alexander was only a matter of an hour or two from becoming a free agent when word of his decision to re-sign with the Seahawks began filtering out.

Well, not really.

Free agency was delayed for another 72 hours, an issue that is now moot when it comes to Alexander.

from monday's paper
still in move number 2

Tuesday, March 7, 2006

Alexander deal sealed with smiles and relief
Contract official as Hawks open offseason moves

By DANNY O'NEIL
P-I REPORTER

KEY DATES


TODAY: NFL owners meetings


THURSDAY: Free agency begins


MARCH 26-30: NFL annual meetings


APRIL 29-30: NFL draft


SEPT. 7: NFL season begins


FEB. 4, 2007: Super Bowl XLI

from tuesday's paper

still number 2 move at thursday 12:01 am

so officially only 2 moves. your phantom move is non existant. they move it again but as of tuesday when the paper was printed only the 2 moves

I stand corrected. I was thinking of the deadline to cut players.

In any case, free agency has been delayed more then one time. And I'll bet FA is delayed another time.

unless a deal is done they will move it again. if free agency starts the end of the hard cap will end forever. none of the owners want that and neither do the players. no cap or labor strike would make it no better than baseball or basketball. both sides know how popular the game is because of the fact of no work stoppage in 20 years and they dont want to end up like baseball with teams that will never win or change cities all the time

Originally posted by bigx01
unless a deal is done they will move it again. if free agency starts the end of the hard cap will end forever. none of the owners want that and neither do the players. no cap or labor strike would make it no better than baseball or basketball. both sides know how popular the game is because of the fact of no work stoppage in 20 years and they dont want to end up like baseball with teams that will never win or change cities all the time

The problem isn't the cap though.

Remember, there was no cap up untill 1993. Teams like the Bengles, 9ers, Steelers, and Broncos were always in contention.

The problem is no cap in conjuction with free agency.

I tend to agree that FA will be pushed back again, but it's not to get a deal done. The two sides can do that all season long. The reason it will get pushed back is because most of the teams in the NFL are poorly run, and need the new labor agreement to get under the cap. The players want it because if these teams don't get under the cap, a lot of players are going to get cut and will be forced to sign small contracts.