Hey all you masons [the possibility of remote veiwing area 51 and S-4]

This is a rehash from the Do Masons Believe In Aliens? forum in wich I asked...

Hey all you masons, I heard that the gov. used to spy on missile silos with remote viewing, so then why is it that you don't bust into area 51 or S-4 astrally?

and got this answer from Appak...

And I heard that they already have! It's one of their big secrets.

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[edit on 4-3-2006 by Spatacus]

Since when does being a mason mean you can travel astrally, or even believe that you could travel astrally?

people amaze me.

What the.......
If im to believe half the stuff on here about masons then they wouldnt have to break in, they have the keys!

I personally know a couple people who do have these abilities realized in this incarnation and neither of them are Masons.

[I personally know a couple people who do have these abilities realized in this incarnation and neither of them are Masons. ]

So...

[Since when does being a mason mean you can travel astrally, or even believe that you could travel astrally? ]

silly child

Originally posted by Spatacus
[I personally know a couple people who do have these abilities realized in this incarnation and neither of them are Masons.

]

So...

[Since when does being a mason mean you can travel astrally, or even believe that you could travel astrally?

]

silly child

Not so silly......

I'm a mason and I dont astral travel.... Neither do the other 30 or so members of our lodge.

Masons are just ordinary men with ordinary lives - that are part of an extraordinary fraternity. No special mind powers unfortunately =(

I only got X-ray vision and telekinesis at my initiation.

I'm a mason and I'm interested in astral travel and remote viewing. Some masons are interested in those things, others arent. Being a mason isn't a job.

Originally posted by Roark
I only got X-ray vision and telekinesis at my initiation.

Yeah, but I heard they're phasing out the Decoder Ring and Transmogrifier Gun.

Originally posted by Baphomet79
I'm a mason and I'm interested in astral travel and remote viewing. Some masons are interested in those things, others arent. Being a mason isn't a job.

I realize that some masons might be able to. But the original poster made it seem as though being able to astral project is a required ability (or the belief in it) to be a Mason. Just wondering where the poster got his information, and why he would even use it for a silly purpose, like A51.

I read a book a couple years ago that claimed Masonic initiation, a man was blindfolded on then swurrounded by swords and that this somehow gave him a near death experience in wich he would leave his body, wich was apperantly an enlightening expireance. If it forms the basis of the masonic teachings then it would also stand to reason that all masons believe in astral projection, and that their teachings revolve around it don't you think so too?

My mason friend would sometimes talk about near death expiriences, and claimed that your whole life would flash before your eyes, I asked how do you know?

Originally posted by Spatacus
I read a book a couple years ago that claimed Masonic initiation, a man was blindfolded on then swurrounded by swords and that this somehow gave him a near death experience

Interesting. I read a book that claimed that Elvis was running a car wash in East St. Louis, Illinois. Wonder if it was the same author?

If it forms the basis of the masonic teachings

That's even more interesting, since the "basis of the Masonic teachings" is readily available in numerous books, rituals, monitors, etc (and not all of them written by Masons) What I'm saying is the true "basis of the Masonic teaching" is by NO MEANS a secret, from you or anyone else...who can read.

then it would also stand to reason that all masons believe in astral projection,

Only if you believe the stuff you read in that book (and perhaps that Elvis is making change at the north end of the carwash near the automatic wash-bay)

and that their teachings revolve around it don't you think so too?

I sure don't, but thank G*d it's a free world and you can think (or not) what you like!

My mason friend would sometimes talk about near death expiriences, and claimed that your whole life would flash before your eyes

Wow! Instantaneously or was it like a slow-motion flash that took like hours and stuff?

I asked how do you know?

I would have asked, did you buy this stuff or grow it yourself with a sun-lamp and aluminum foil?

Heyyyy hold on their what's with the hostility man, allright yeah yeah yeah, ya cant believe just any book right? But can you trust a book written by a mason.

Grand Lodge free and accepted Masons of the state of california-
mentoring program 2004
Revised 1st edition
a publication of the Grand Lodge commitee of masonic education

Here it is

I know it's a long book thats why I'v given you a guide as to what parts are where, it is as follows.

The blimdfolding- pg. 40

In your face
In your face
In your face Appak

what now nigga

Snooooooooooop..
Snooooooooooop..

[Chorus - Snoop Dogg]
When the pimp's in the crib ma
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
When the pigs try to get at ya
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
And if a nigga get a attitude
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
I got the rolly on my arm and I'm pouring Chandon
And I roll the best weed cause I got it going on

sorry I forgot to post the other links.

About the death in initiation:

Written by someone who has been a mason for 31 years

Go to section called Rites of death and rebirth.

and last but not least the swords:

written by a mason

I'm a gangsta, but y'all knew that
Da Big Bo$$ Dogg, yeah I had to do that
I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside
But only on the left side, yeah that's the Crip side
Ain't no other way to play the game the way I play
I cut so much you thought I was a DJ
[*scratches*] "two!" - "one!" - "yep, three!"
S-N double O-P, D-O double G
I can't fake it, just break it, and when I take it
See I specialize in making all the girls get naked
So bring your friends, all of y'all come inside
We got a world premiere right here, now get live!
So don't change the dizzle, turn it up a little
I got a living room full of fine dime brizzles
Waiting on the Pizzle, the Dizzle and the Shizzle
G's to the bizzack, now ladies here we gizzo



[edit on 7-3-2006 by Spatacus]

Spartacus

Lets just see if I got this right...

You read an (unspecified) book in which a man was surrounded by swords (which you later back with a link to a synopsis of a Russian ritual from 200 years ago) and blindfolded. This somehow gave the recipient a ‘near death experience’ (which you back up by a link to a Masonic article about symbolic rebirth) and then claim that this means he would leave his body (which isn’t mentioned in any of the links and so isn’t backed up).

You then state that IF this was true and IF it forms the basis of Masonic teaching THEN LOGICALLY all masons must therefore believe in astral projection, and therefore everything else to do with masonry must be connected to it.

In other words, if something that happened 200 years ago in a Russia lodge somehow gave the recipient a NDE, then it necessarily follows that all freemasons today can astral travel.

You further back this up by an entirely unrelated Q&A from a Masonic monitor, which I will happily reproduce for you below:

External Source: Mentor Program from GLoCA
7. Why were you blindfolded, or hoodwinked during the first part of your initiation?
a. To symbolize that I was in a spiritual or Masonic darkness and about to receive instruction or light.
b. As a reminder to keep the outside world in darkness as it pertains to the secret
aspects of Masonry.
c. That my heart should be taught to conceal before my eyes beheld the beauty of
Masonry.
d. If found unworthy, I would be removed without having seen the form of the lodge.
e. All of the above.

(my bold)

You then sing a couple of little songs (out of tune, I might add)

Is that about right?

Originally posted by Spatacus
Heyyyy hold on their what's with the hostility man, allright yeah yeah yeah, ya cant believe just any book right? But can you trust a book written by a mason.

Not always. Books with legitimate research and documentation, sure, but many books written by Masons are pure speculation on the part of the author. Non-Mason sometimes (read: usually) speculated even more wildly.

Grand Lodge free and accepted Masons of the state of california-
mentoring program 2004
Revised 1st edition
a publication of the Grand Lodge commitee of masonic education
Here it is

Yes, I'm familiar with it thank you, but what's the point?

In your face
In your face
In your face Appak

what now nigga

Snooooooooooop..
Snooooooooooop..
[snip]

Uhm, thanks again. Perhaps we can continue this conversation in a few years when you out-grow that silliness.

Grand Lodge free and accepted Masons of the state of california-
mentoring program 2004
Revised 1st edition
a publication of the Grand Lodge commitee of masonic education
Here it is

Yes, I'm familiar with it thank you, but what's the point?

Dude, are you crazy did you read my post I was just trying to point out the legitamacy, of my source that you mocked.

Uhm, thanks again. Perhaps we can continue this conversation in a few years when you out-grow that silliness.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hey man did you know that the sillier people get the smarter they actually are?

(which you back up by a link to a Masonic article about symbolic rebirth)

Ahaha. Any research you do into the subject into those "pre-modern"
"ceremonies" will show that what entails in these rituals is that of near death after leaving their body. I've watched countless T.V. shows, and no not just on FOX news or any bogus channel, but on PBS where they Videaotape these rituals (ya I know you can't see them come out of there bodies), and then interview the natives.

I know not any research you do will show this however I do feel that if you research the subject that you will find it to be the case in wich the person transcends his or her physical body or nature to ascend into a spiritual one.

In other words, if something that happened 200 years ago in a Russia lodge somehow gave the recipient a NDE, then it necessarily follows that all freemasons today can astral travel.

No what I am saying is that I have other sources that have similar testamonials in wich I am just trying to give more legitamacy to my original source. And although you don't say that the ritual has changed the mere iemphasus that you put on the fact this document is 200 years old, tells me that you want people to think it has changed. Mabey it has, I don't know, but the other document that is from 2004 or 2005 says that they still use blindfolds in their ritual today. So I conclude that most of the ritual, I don't know but I conclude that it might be the same or similar atleast the part about blindfolding the initiate to symbolize spiritual darkness.

You then sing a couple of little songs (out of tune, I might add)

I must say you're a funny guy.

Is that about right?

Asides the points I've allready mentioned, yeah that is about right.

I'm simply taking in all the information I can and assuming that what I have put together is true.

But isn't that all we can do in our interpretaion of the outside world, we take in all the sensory and intellectual information and off of that we build what we think of as the truth.
















[edit on 9-3-2006 by Spatacus]

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Due to other threads that have come up I believe that I have been wrong on this one and that most masons do not have the ability to view things remotely and such I have been decieved by a book that mixes factts with fictions, and by my own affiliation with a secret society that does teach astral projection, and by my research into primitive cultures and their initiation ceremonies, wich lead me to believe that all societies contained essentially the same teachings, and tought them directly.

I have been schooled.

Masons are just ordinary men with ordinary lives - that are part of an extraordinary fraternity. No special mind powers unfortunately =(

Very true, although after many cheap drinks at the lodge I sometimes think I have powers. ;-)

hehehe we are all "special" after a few drinks prmlscrm