China: Whats happening, a country of soldiers?

I'm sure many of you have read the ex-chinese defence minister's rant last year, if you didn't its a good read anyway.

Where it is was first posted.

Now I'd like to raise your awareness to a thread that was posted regarding extreme cruelty to animals, that is completely legal. This is a culture destined for war. Or am I reading this the wrong way...

[edit on 3/3/06 by byhiniur]

I think China waging a war against the world is highly unlikely, but then agian i could be wrong.

China is a Totalitarian police state. There are countless uprisings and such a year, so how do you stop them? Instead of giving more civil liberties, the Chinese get more police! So in their eyes strengthing their power. The Soveit Union did the same thing by drafting citizens and shipping them to different corners to keep the "peace".


As for the animal cruelty. I think that they allow it because killing things and abusing them without repercussion makes the soilders/police de-sensitised to death and brutality. Once they become de-senstised to that they can easliy do it to people. Like in "the most dangerous game", they guy hunts and hunts then finally moves on to people.

Originally posted by thesnafued1
As for the animal cruelty. I think that they allow it because killing things and abusing them without repercussion makes the soilders/police de-sensitised to death and brutality. Once they become de-senstised to that they can easliy do it to people.

Yes, probably. Now link that idea with this one.

His chilling remarks boast of a recent survey of the Chinese public wherein upwards of eighty percent (80%) were willing to "shoot and kill women, children and prisoners of war" as part of such an effort.

Now do you see why I think they are providing a system, not just to control people, but to also make them ready for killing enemys!

(Edited, as always, because I can't spell, or use computer code )



[edit on 3/3/06 by byhiniur]

Refering to Germany and Japan and how China is using their pre WWII and wartime models as a template I found it sad but amussing that the Chinese Defense Minister referred to both becoming

"third, when the time came for them to be ruthless, they turned out to be too soft, therefore leaving troubles that resurfaced later on."

My god dude, don't they teach history in China? Japan, Germany soft? I think he's missing the point. If you can't learn from history you will be doomed to repeat it. If China teaches "his" history the rest of the world will remain safe.

Originally posted by byhiniur
Now do you see why I think they are providing a system, not just to control people, but to also make them ready for killing enemys!

I always have a hard time taking quotes especially numbers from the CHinese seriously. They have a google firewall, so how hard would it be to forge these numbers?

Ya, i can see why it seems like they are building a society destined for war. But i don't see any reason to be that worried about it. If China needs "livingspace" they still got plenty of room. I think this guy just wants to be like Mao and Hitler and wants the CHinese to be the master race and enslave others for their facotories. Sounds scary but i don't think it is possible.

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[edit on 3-3-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

See what you think after reading this.

As far as the cruelty to animals goes...Eastern culture isn't as kind to animals as Western is. They don't live by our set of moral standards. But the rest...Yeah, I'm sure some in China want that.

Originally posted by byhiniur
See what you think after reading this.

Intresting read. I still don't think China has enough balls to do something like that. If they started invading countries, i bet ya that all the free nations around China would strike back, and with all the troops on the front it would be a oppurtune time to strike and cripple the goverment.

China is crazy though, but i think they should stick to economics.

Make no mistake about it, China is waiting for the opertunity to gain a firm grip on the world. If the US (or anyone else) gets in the way of that, they will go to war.

Frankly, I think it is inevitable, and when the time comes, I want the US to be in such a dominate position that their whole country is glowing before they even know the war has begun.

Better 1 point whatever billion of them then one of us.

[edit on 4-3-2006 by American Mad Man]

China isn't a Totalitarian state. I live in China and the government can't tell me what shoes i should wear on Thursday, or what food i can buy on Tuesday. Learn your definitions right first.

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
I live in China

Do you know if there are many cases of animal cruelty, do you think the country is preparing for war?

Hmmm, i have a very intereseting story to tell about animal cruelty in the East.

My history teacher went to USSR with her senior history class once, in 1991, just a year after the collapse of the USSR. During their tour they went to this circus, as circus is very well known in Russia. The circus acts were all consisted of animals, such as bears chained to ride on motorcycles, and other shows involving with animals that the West would see as cruelty to animals.

The girls in the class almost cried watching thsoe animals and wanted to leave. The circus guide explained, the acts might be seen as animal cruelty to the West, it is what they view as entertainment in Russia. Since the fall of the USSR, social benefits to the people were greatly reduced, and unemployent were everywhere, most Russians could hardly feed their family adeqately, so why and how were they suppose to care for animals?On the contray she found it ridiculous how the west spends so much on pets, when the money would be much better used spent on people in the world of poverty that desperately need it.

I think she has a point there.

The type of animal cruelty I am explaining at the begining is much worse than that. My vocabulary doesn't reach far enough to allow me to express it without saying what it was. Hope someone else who saw it can.

A kitten was killed, we were told it was done for enjoyment and wed we told it is completely legal.

Its an interesting point you make about spending too much money on animals, but that is private individuals money.

They need the food...nothing more!

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
Hmmm, i have a very intereseting story to tell about animal cruelty in the East.

My history teacher went to USSR with her senior history class once, in 1991, just a year after the collapse of the USSR. During their tour they went to this circus, as circus is very well known in Russia. The circus acts were all consisted of animals, such as bears chained to ride on motorcycles, and other shows involving with animals that the West would see as cruelty to animals.

The girls in the class almost cried watching thsoe animals and wanted to leave. The circus guide explained, the acts might be seen as animal cruelty to the West, it is what they view as entertainment in Russia. Since the fall of the USSR, social benefits to the people were greatly reduced, and unemployent were everywhere, most Russians could hardly feed their family adeqately, so why and how were they suppose to care for animals?On the contray she found it ridiculous how the west spends so much on pets, when the money would be much better used spent on people in the world of poverty that desperately need it.

I think she has a point there.

See thats the difference right there in the way the democratic society thinks and the communist way of thinking. One person thinks the earned money of others should feed those that have not provided for themselves and the state should care for everyone. That builds a system of dependency and is not sustainable as the fall of The Soviet Union is proof of along with the lingering after effects. FLAME ON!!!!

Originally posted by byhiniur
I'm sure many of you have read the ex-chinese defence minister's rant last year, if you didn't its a good read anyway.

Where it is was first posted.

This has been discussed before. The man was fired, and what he said were just Scenerios, JESUS CHRIST give it up. Every nation has scenerios, no matter how wacky it is.

Now I'd like to raise your awareness to a thread that was posted regarding extreme cruelty to animals, that is completely legal. This is a culture destined for war. Or am I reading this the wrong way...

Cruelty to animals that is completely legal? The last I checked, it wasn't long ago when the U.S. had laws that were cruel to African Americans that were completely legal. Now my vocabulary is not large enough to use words in describing what happened to the African-Americans who fought for EQUAL RIGHTS. Don't you remember? The lynchings? The hangings? Were those responsible sought out for justice? I think not.

NO, the Chinese culture is not destined for war. What you said is completley ignorant and extremely biased. Have you studied Chinese culture? Do you speak for the Chinese people when you say their culture is destined for war? HOW is their culture dstined for war? I truly believe you have read it, closed your mind to arguments presented against you, and started drawing you own extreme conclusions with another anti-china thread that has completely no value to this forums at all.

Make no mistake about it, China is waiting for the opertunity to gain a firm grip on the world.

Are you serious? Wow, are people THAT hypocritical nowadays? Look at the U.S. and what it has done recently, and look at what you posted. Wow, unbelievable....

This thread is completely pointless, just another example of the widespread China bashing that is going on here.






[edit on 5-3-2006 by k4rupt]

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
China isn't a Totalitarian state. I live in China and the government can't tell me what shoes i should wear on Thursday, or what food i can buy on Tuesday. Learn your definitions right first.

totalitarian-adj f realitng to a political regimne based on subordination of the individual to the state and strict control of all aspects of life.

Ya you can choose what shoes you want and were your gonna go buy food. You could have also done that in Nazi Germany. I know Nazi Germany was supposed to be Auhtoritarian but in practice wasen't that Totalitarian?

By the way, reading your signature.... go leran American history. O ya thats right you can't get the REAL American history because its about demoracy and capitalism. Something you can't protest for in your totalitarian goverment.

China is making strong inroads into the world as an economic power. Why would they ruin that with military action? I would consider them more of a threat by them helping other nations like NK, or Iran or Syria with weapons or such that can tie up the US. Right now I think they are rather enjoying watching the US wasting money in Iraq and seeing the US tie themselves up there.

While I do think China is a threat militarily speaking, they understand the concept of MAD just as the Soviets did, and they also understand how we were able to bring down the Soviets. The US should be concerned on our economy more so then our military.

Originally posted by thesnafued1

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
China isn't a Totalitarian state. I live in China and the government can't tell me what shoes i should wear on Thursday, or what food i can buy on Tuesday. Learn your definitions right first.

totalitarian-adj

f realitng to a political regimne based on subordination of the individual to the state and strict control of all aspects of life.

Ya you can choose what shoes you want and were your gonna go buy food. You could have also done that in Nazi Germany. I know Nazi Germany was supposed to be Auhtoritarian but in practice wasen't that Totalitarian?

By the way, reading your signature.... go leran American history. O ya thats right you can't get the REAL American history because its about demoracy and capitalism. Something you can't protest for in your totalitarian goverment.

First of all, China is basically in majority a capitalist society. This proves how much you know of China. Second of all, to state China is a totalitarian gov't is extremely biased and.. wrong. YOu gave the definition of totalitarian. "...and strict control of all aspects of life." China is nothing like that. You obviously know nothing of China. Please go visit China before you utter your b.s.

There's no evidence this guy ever even made this speech.
While I am no huge fan of the PRC, I've never seen any reason to believe that this speech is anything more than pure disinformation.

The original source of the alleged speech is a pseudo-news site with ties to Falun Gong, a religious cult that has been heavily supressed by the Chinese government. As far as I am aware no corroborating evidence has ever been presented that this speech is anything other than fiction. It's a fabrication designed to spread fear, and a fairly obvious one at that.

The PLA is barely capable of taking invading Taiwan, let alone the rest of the planet. Their nuclear arsenal is more in the league of the UK and France, an order of magnitude smaller than those of the US and Russia. While they've been modernizing their conventional forces, they've also been reducing the size of their army significantly - not what you'd do if you were planning on taking over the planet.