Why is "Life on Mars" being Whitewashed?

There are dust storms on mars - huge week long events that cover vast swathes of mars . This says that there is an atmosphere on mars - Other wise we would get a moon like view of the surface ie clear at all times.

You cannot say there is only microbe life on mars, because the pictures shows vegitation, albeit not like we know on earth - There are also seasonal changes in the pole areas where vegitation is seen to grow and colour the land scape. Mars i think is repairing itself slowly from a catasrtophic event. far from being dead i think its rebuilding itself slowly. Just like the earth did after the mass extinctions and disasters here on the planet.

Unlike topics of debate centered on our own planet, which generally offer varied points of view and corroborating eye-witness statements, all speculation about Mars must relay on data provided from the scientific community and/or governments with sufficient funds to actually go there. No ATS member is able to stand on it's surface pick up a snail and exclaim "SEE I TOLD YOU SO!"
I don't believe there is any cover-up of such scientific data. I look forward to the upcoming (and hopefully successful) Mars Orbiter information.

Originally posted by idbltrl001

Originally posted by iori_komei
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There is no life, albeit some possible subSurface microbes, on Mars, complex life simply can not survive on Mars, there's next to no atmosphere, it has no natural Electro-Magnetic field, which is why it has next to no atmosphere.


Mars simply can not support life higher than that of microbes.

[edit on 3/1/2006 by iori_komei]

Put your money where your mouth is. No, forget money. Just PROVE it.

PROVE IT. Take us to Mars. Show us first hand that there is no atmosphere. You have no idea what you're talking about. You could be just as far off from the truth as you think the original poster is. You have absolutely no proof to support your claims. You are wrong. And if you're not. PROVE IT.

Earth Science has nothing to do with Mars, or any other planet for that matter.

Firstly, I obviously can't do that, I don't have the funds or the technology to, though if I did, I would.

Secondly, I know exactly what I'm talking about, and I found that part of your post insulting.

I am right by what SCIENCE knows, I can comfortably say that microbial life is the only kind of life that can exist on Mars, and that is because I know my science, and the facts about Mars.

Originally posted by MadGreebo
There are dust storms on mars - huge week long events that cover vast swathes of mars . This says that there is an atmosphere on mars - Other wise we would get a moon like view of the surface ie clear at all times.

You cannot say there is only microbe life on mars, because the pictures shows vegitation, albeit not like we know on earth - There are also seasonal changes in the pole areas where vegitation is seen to grow and colour the land scape. Mars i think is repairing itself slowly from a catasrtophic event. far from being dead i think its rebuilding itself slowly. Just like the earth did after the mass extinctions and disasters here on the planet.

True enough, and if you look, I did say Mars has an atmosphere, it's just barely there.

As for tyhese pictures, well first off, that's not a reliable source.
And secondly, they are in my opinion one of the following things, fraudulent(in fact, one of them looks like a badly rendered 3D image), edited, or pictures that people look into to much and say somethings something when it is in fact not.

It is very simple why the existence of extraterrestrial life remains such a mystery, People would not be able to handle the initial shock of finding out that were not alone. They fear terrorism and street violence so much , knowing that there is there could be an intergalactic race that is far more superior to us, would cause anarchy. People fear what they do not understand, and many religions do not believe of life outside of our world, finding out about the existence of ET’s would lead people into loosing faith in what the were always taught to believe. It would be a different story telling people that there is life billions of light-years away , than knowing of ET’s once culminated on Mars, its only a stones throw away compared to the distances to other galaxies, which most people could not even begin to fathom.

Originally posted by iori_komei
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There is no life, albeit some possible subSurface microbes, on Mars, complex life simply can not survive on Mars, there's next to no atmosphere, it has no natural Electro-Magnetic field, which is why it has next to no atmosphere.


Mars simply can not support life higher than that of microbes.



EDIT:
Fixed spelling.

[edit on 3/1/2006 by iori_komei]

And you got back from there when?

Obviously neither side can prove the other wrong, but can be an interesting discussion. Science says there cant be life, Ohh science is always right, have we solved all the mysteries the universe has to offer, must have missed that will have to watch the news more often.

Until proven otherwise i think i will continue to discuss and speculate, i may be proven wrong. until that time i will let my thoughts roam.

Science is almost never right. In fact science is always wrong. It generally accepts whatever seems plausible, and then they roll with it. That is, until they "discover" the next wrong answer. It just keeps going on, and on.

[edit on 3/2/2006 by idbltrl001]

Originally posted by idbltrl001
Science is almost never right. In fact science is always wrong. It generally accepts whatever seems plausible, and then they roll with it. That is, until they "discover" the next wrong answer. It just keeps going on, and on.

[edit on 3/2/2006 by idbltrl001]

I'm sorry, but that's one of the most idiocentric things I've ever heard science is not always wrong, true enough alot of theories change and sometimes get proven wrong, but science is not always wrong, in fact its right more of the time than wrong.

You're not even 1/2 as smart as you would swear on a bible you are.

You think you understand, but all you're doing is eating what you are being fed. It must taste good, because you can find people like you all over the world. You will believe anything that you are told. Which would make one wonder why somebody like you would be interested in a site like this. The answer is obvious: to debunk.

Have fun.

First of all, I'm not being "fed" anything.

I find you post insulting.


And lastly, I don't generally debunk anything, I believe alien life exists, I believe intelligent alien life exiosts, and I believe it's possible that a species or two has found a way to travel at superLuminal speeds.
What I don't, and refuse to believe, is that complex life exists on a, for all intent and purpos, dead planet.



You're living in a fantasy world, if you want to continue living in your little fantasy world where the governments out to get you and everything secret, go ahed, but don't insult me because I choose to live in the REAL world.

Oh, and I'm not saying there are'nt secrets maintained by the gov. or that there are'nt any cover-ups, I'm sure there are some, but no the level of ridiculously as it being some big thing out to get anyone who questions it.

Getting back to the original point, I don't think there's been a "whitewash." I figure that ET life is really such a big deal that nobody in authority really wants to run off half-cocked with a huge announcement that turns out to be less than accurate, upon further study. They want to be full-cocked, double-cocked, if possible.

Originally posted by idbltrl001
Science is almost never right. In fact science is always wrong. It generally accepts whatever seems plausible, and then they roll with it. That is, until they "discover" the next wrong answer. It just keeps going on, and on.

[edit on 3/2/2006 by idbltrl001]

first, what do you have to back this up? anyway, science is 90% more accurate than speculation.

quote: Originally posted by iori_komei
*Sigh*

There is no life, albeit some possible subSurface microbes, on Mars, complex life simply can not survive on Mars, there's next to no atmosphere, it has no natural Electro-Magnetic field, which is why it has next to no atmosphere.


Mars simply can not support life higher than that of microbes.

[edit on 3/1/2006 by iori_komei]

Put your money where your mouth is. No, forget money. Just PROVE it.

PROVE IT. Take us to Mars. Show us first hand that there is no atmosphere. You have no idea what you're talking about. You could be just as far off from the truth as you think the original poster is. You have absolutely no proof to support your claims. You are wrong. And if you're not. PROVE IT.

Earth Science has nothing to do with Mars, or any other planet for that matter.

and do you have anything SOLID to support yours? please think before you try to discredit someone

In all fairness, mars has precipitation, before anyone says, 'See I told you there is liquid water on Mars!,'

Link

[edit on 4/3/2006 by Paladin327]

its all in the eye of the beholder. Here is an Object I found while searching for odd things the Mars Rover Spirit took on Sol 006




I callit "the fish head"

you can go here to get full image , just click image once you get there and look in center of picture for fish head. you can see ey sockets, teeth, jaw hinge ( with a little imagination)

marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...

Ruff

Originally posted by Paladin327

and do you have anything SOLID to support yours? please think before you try to discredit someone

I don't have any solid evidence to support what I say MAY be true. But my point is that he has no solid evidence on what he KNOWS is true.

He has no evidence, neither do I. However, I'm not saying that what I speculate is the truth. But it's no different from what he is speculating.

Yes, but I have science backing me up, and you have only suspect psuedoTheories.



Anyways, I think this thread should be closed, since it's so similiar to the one created in the Space forum by the same person who made this one.

Also, I'd like to point out that the origonal thread creator has'nt even responded in this thread, now it may be that he's busy, and has''nt found the time, but I suspect differently.

Different atmospheres don't necessarily mean there is "no life." Science does base a lot of it's theories on what exists here on earth. matterWhat if a life form somewhere else thrives on what would be toxic to us humans. You must understand that even here on planet earth, there are life forms that live on things that would kill a human.

There is so much space out there beyond this planet. Life could exist in many forms. And there could also be other humans out there somewhere. Maybe on some planet, some guy is walking his dog, much like here?

Maybe some aliens need to wear a space suit to live in our atmosphere, like we do on the moon?

Other life out there could be similar, the same, or different than what we know as life.

Troy

That's true, not all life neccesarily have to breath the same stuff we do.
And there are probably worlds that are toxi to us, that life has evolved on.

However, Mars, has next to no atmosphere, so there's nothing for life to breathe, and I realise some life can exist in a vaacuum, but that life also is essentially dormant until it reaches a habitat it can exist on.

I thought they found some remnant of life on Mars during the Clinton era. What is with the Methane Gas...Space Cows? (just kidding ).
But seriously what caused that gas?

[edit on 5-3-2006 by DeeplyAwake]

Originally posted by DeeplyAwake
I thought they found some remnant of life on Mars during the Clinton era. What is with the Methane Gas...Space Cows? (just kidding

).
But seriously what caused that gas?

[edit on 5-3-2006 by DeeplyAwake]

I believe your thinking of the meteor found in Antarctica that came from Mars, it depends on who you ask, but it aparently had fossils of microbial life in it, now the time in which these microbes would have been alive would be quite some time ago.

As of yet, no one knows what causes the Methane, it could be from a geological process, or it may be produced by a forum of microbial life that makes it.

I personally have no idea what causes it, but it's not impossible that it's produced by microbial life, just not by complex macroscopic life.

Thanks Iori, this is the first I heard of the methane gas on Mars...its fascinating stuff...I didn't know tiny microbs produced gas too. I know that methane gas is produced after lifeforms eat something...I wonder what the microbs eat?

Did the little space robot Rover find any plant life on mars?

Yes maybe I am thinking of the meteor found in Anarctica.

I think if there is any possiblity of life on Mars, all of the people of the world should be exploring the hec out of that planet!

No, neither Sojourner(SP?) or the Spirit and Oppurtunity rovers have signd of any kind of life, it is very very improbable that anything besides microbial life exists on Mars.


Yes, some microbes do produce Methane, it's less complex of a system than say with cows.