I Sometimes Wonder if Life Exists on ALL Planets

Somewhere in Bolivia, in a mud pile behind a little Coffee Shop, there lives a 3-headed frog that can sing the blues, and play the harmonica. Do you believe me? Of course you don't. But even if this was 100% FACT, you still wouldn't believe me. And you also don't have the means of travelling to Bolivia without proper instructions to find this mud pile behind the coffee shop, do you? Catch my drift yet?

Just because we are told that there is no intelligent life on Mars... there is no way Venus could support life... etc. doesn't mean we should believe it. If there is a God, why did he create all these empty planets? Seems like an awful big waste of space to me. Especially considering the distance required to reach them from wherever you may be coming from. Kind of a buzzkill...

Now, I realize I may be wrong, and I can accept that. But, I also realize that no one on Earth can prove that I'm wrong. Are you going to invite me into your spaceship to go observe the men on the moon? Are we going on a field trip to Titan? I think not.

Clearly NASA cannot be trusted. I'm just not sure what to believe anymore. But sometimes I wonder if life exists on ALL planets.

You're asking us to believe in something that we have NO REASON WHATSOEVER to believe in. This is a logical fundamental - in order to convince somebody of something out of the ordinary, evidence must be provided.

It's like this:

I can tell you that there is an invisible cat behind you. But can anyone really PROVE or DISPROVE that? Unless so, we'll have to default to the fact that I am pulling your leg because we have NO REASON WHATSOEVER to believe there's an invisible cat behind you. Unless you had x-ray glasses or something lol.

I do have an invisible cat behind me.

Anyways, on the flip side of that, how can you prove the outrageous claims that Mars has no intelligent life?

how can you prove the outrageous claims that Mars has no intelligent life?

Ok, I know this question was asked of Thiopental, but I figure I can answer you.

I can prove it in theory by using scientific facts, is there life on Mar's, maybe, is there intelligent life on Mar's, no, atleast not in the last 4billion years.

Mar's cannot support macroscopic life, therefore no intellignet life exists there.

As far as I know, we shouldn't be making assumptions about life ANYWHERE until the fat lady sings. We don't even know about all the life on this planet, and we've been here for...hmm...how long? Hardly grounds for saying that a planet can't support life and/or intelligent life, when it's millions of miles away and we've never even set foot on it.

[edit on 26-2-2006 by Siblin]

Intelligent life can exist anywhere it wants to... that's why it is deemed intelligent.. it can create it's own living environment whenever it wishes.

Originally posted by dgoodpasture
Intelligent life can exist anywhere it wants to... that's why it is deemed intelligent.. it can create it's own living environment whenever it wishes.

No, it can't unfortunately.
It can only exist in places where there are plentiful resources, and it would need a reason to evolve intelligence.

Intelligent life is any creature that is a complex tool user, and has mastered fire.

Originally posted by idbltrl001
I do have an invisible cat behind me.

Anyways, on the flip side of that, how can you prove the outrageous claims that Mars has no intelligent life?

Your point of view is mixed up here. Firstly, the notion that Mars has no intelligent life is not a claim. It's the natural default INTRINSIC to the qualities of Mars we've observed. Mars is XYZ and ABC. XYZ and ABC is NO REASON for us to believe there is life.

The only proving that needs to be done here is that Mars has intelligent life. Because everything we know about Mars so far points that it shouldn't have intelligent life.

Originally posted by dgoodpasture
Intelligent life can exist anywhere it wants to... that's why it is deemed intelligent.. it can create it's own living environment whenever it wishes.

This statement CAN be true or false depending on your frame of reference. Hence, it is misleading.

More accurate would be to say:

Intelligent life as we know it can only appear out of scratch (evolve/whatever) out of very specific kind of environments.

Intelligent life, however, can transform ANY environment into a living environment.

Yeah?

Glad to see sodium still hyjacking other peoples words and putting his own spin on them and calling it original. Man, you aren't having any luck on any of your threads. Check our your psychic thread, your one fan has left you.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Glad to see sodium still hyjacking other peoples words and putting his own spin on them and calling it original. Man, you aren't having any luck on any of your threads. Check our your psychic thread, your one fan has left you.

Go back to Paranormal. You're polluting Aliens & UFOs.

I don't see how he's HiJacked this thread.

In fact, I think he's posted some good posts in this thread,
and that is why...

You have voted thiopental sodium for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

I did that.

Originally posted by iori_komei
I don't see how he's HiJacked this thread.

In fact, I think he's posted some good posts in this thread,
and that is why...

You have voted thiopental sodium for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

I did that.

I'm sorry you feel that way. But Sodium has obviously just refuted this guys statement. Then change the guys statement into his own words, ultimately agreeing. Something he has been doing on a few other threads, showing absolutely no respect. I was not saying he hijacked the thread. I said he hijacked the authors statement, manipulated to his own words, then agreed.

I do feel you have wasted one of your "way aboves." But all good comes from good places so that you must be. Peace AAC

Thanks for the vote, iori_komei. I was thinking about voting for you as well... really enjoyed your posts and you appreciate all posts disagreeing or agreeing with you. This is quality posting with a quality attidude IMO! And for the record, I have 2 more votes too...the other day, I voted for lost_shaman.

AAC, you should welcome people (like me) to refute other people's arguments. ATS is about seeking truth, not about backslapping each other. Also, you should EXPLAIN how I've changed anyone's words into mine. Although, I can kinda see how you may feel that way. I'm not bragging here, but I'm pretty good at debate (never took any debate class as well...I don't believe in filling other people's brains with a strict one-way-only-and-you-must-do-it-this-way-only ideas because that's closed-minded), and sometimes, people get frustrated with me because they can't stand that I've been easily counterarguing everything they've been throwing at me so they finally just accuse me of some sort of logical trickery...or deceitfully rephrasing everything they've said to suit my purpose. I encourage you, AAC, to find one case where I did this, and I will formally apologize.

AAC, you should also know that I am also offended by your posting habits in the last few hours. You seem determined to taint my reputation on these boards and for no good reason. I know you're mad, but who are you really mad at?

DENY IGNORANCE

[edit on 26-2-2006 by thiopental sodium]

Originally posted by thiopental sodium

Originally posted by dgoodpasture
Intelligent life can exist anywhere it wants to... that's why it is deemed intelligent.. it can create it's own living environment whenever it wishes.

This statement CAN be true or false depending on your frame of reference. Hence, it is misleading.

More accurate would be to say:

Intelligent life as we know it can only appear out of scratch (evolve/whatever) out of very specific kind of environments.

Intelligent life, however, can transform ANY environment into a living environment.

Yeah?

Precisely... Intelligent life will take on a whole new meaning in a couple of years A monkey is not intelligent... a human being that terraforms the surface of a planet... installs a safe house... or a scientific research facility on an unihabited planet... now that is why intelligent life can exist anywhere it so desires... because it can desire to live there It's will, will bring about it's success. Now, THAT is intelligent life.

[edit on 26-2-2006 by dgoodpasture]

Originally posted by dgoodpasture
Intelligent life will take on a whole new meaning in a couple of years

Ha, good point! You're already thinking ahead of us!

History will redefine the social meaning of "intelligent," just like how history ha shaped the meaning of other certain words. Can't remember some of those words, but I'm sure others do.

maybe these planets that seem empty now, had life on them millions or billions of years ago.

What's that? Life on Venus?? That hellish, greenhouse-effect gone haywire planet?

Unlikely as it may sound, scientists have not yet ruled out the existence of life on the 'evening star'. But it's not gonna be intelligent life, and it's not gonna be on the surface.

Planetary Protection Study Group Mulls Life On Venus

BOULDER, Colorado -- A special study group has advised NASA that Venus is far too hellish of a world for life to exist on or below the planet’s surface. Furthermore, while the potential for life in the clouds of Venus can’t be ruled out, the expert panel gauged this possibility as extremely low.

The assessment concluded that “no significant risks” exist in contaminating Venus with Earth organisms on any future landers or atmospheric probes, including balloons. Likewise, any surface materials shot back from Venus or whiffs of its atmosphere returned to Earth pose no significant risk to our planet in terms of “back contamination.”

A Washington, D.C.-based arm of the National Academies, the National Research Council’s Space Studies Board, formed a Task Group on Planetary Protection Requirements for Venus Missions under its Committee on the Origin and Evolution of Life.

The chances are low, but there's still a possibility. If life's resilience on Earth is any indication, with scientist finding them where no one thought it possible, there might be some surprises still in Venus' case.

What I find interesting is the composition of earth in relation to other planets in our solar system. What helped Earth aquire all the water in relation to the surrounding planets? While not a religious person by any stretch of imagination, The more I learn about the uniqueness of Earth I have to lean toward creationism.

Don't make up your mind too early! There is water all over our solar system. Earth cannot be deemed unique, yet. We have yet to even visit a solar system outside of our own.