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A bit of evergreen is used at a Masonic funeral to remind us that the soul is eternal.

Thank you for the information.

I'm afraid however that you have been duped. The evergreen comes straight from Nimrod and Baal worship. Since, this comes from Egypt instead of Babylon, Nimrod is known as Osiris.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

A bit of evergreen is used at a Masonic funeral to remind us that the soul is eternal.

Thank you for the information.

I'm afraid however that you have been duped. The evergreen comes straight from Nimrod and Baal worship. Since, this comes from Egypt instead of Babylon, Nimrod is known as Osiris.

I'm quite sure that Egyptians celebrated the Evergreen (something they never had seen or interest in in any of their culture...ask any Egyptologist).

The Hebrews on the other hand were greatly enamoured with the tree, which the Ceadars of Lebannon were used to construct their Temple (to the extent that only now under Israeli guidance the forest is recovering).

Nimrod is the son of Cush, a mighty hunter, has nothing to do with Osiris.

When you start inventing crap...you start leading yourself astray.

Nimrod is the son of Cush, a mighty hunter, has nothing to do with Osiris.

When you start inventing crap...you start leading yourself astray.

Yes, Nimrod is the son of Cush and a grandson of Noah. He is known by many names. Saturn, Baal and many more. I'm sure the net has plenty of info, but it's late.

In Babylon you have Nimrod, Baal, Ishtar(Mother wife)
In Egypt Osiris, Ra, Horus, Isis

There is plenty of names for all of them. The list goes on and on, depending what country you are in. Same lie, different names.

I don't know Sun-Matrix, it either has a really obscure (and thus pointless) origin or it is a fabrication by anti-Masons. I've never seen reference to it.

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I started this thread a while back it has a little information about Gods in free masonry. It has mostly to do with Lucifer, but I think it would be a ok read and good stuff is brought up in the discussion. The reason I post this is because the constant refrence to this "god of the freemasons" But there are also countlesss threads agianst the idea of such a thing. You should do a search on them you can get some pretty good info from them.

What would you have them wear? kangaroo aprons? you' see sources of leather were rather limited before european imperialism, and masonry is an old cult.

Originally posted by Long Lance
What would you have them wear? kangaroo aprons? you' see sources of leather were rather limited before european imperialism, and masonry is an old cult.

How old? Where did it start? What country?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
How old? Where did it start? What country?

1. Freemasonry began in England during the early middle ages as a guild for stonemasons. In the 17th century, it began to transform into a gentleman's club and philosophical society.

2. "Wolf in sheep's clothing" does not, of course, refer to Masons wearing aprons. It alludes to hypocrites.

3. "Jahbulon", a word used in some versions of the Royal Arch degree, is often parroted by anti-Masons, who would have non-Masons that this is the name for some sort of Masonic god, or a Masonic name of God. This is of course pure B.S.: the ritual never states that "Jahbulon" is a name for God.

4. I see no evidence that the evergreen came from Nimrod, even if Nimrod really existed. The evergreen was used in the Eleuisinian Mysteries as a symbol for immortality, and from there was adopted by Plato and the Pythagoreans.

5. Claiming that Nimrod and Osiris are the same thing demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge in both Egyptology and Semitic history. I would doubt that anyone making such a claim would be taken seriously with any other related subject matter.

[edit on 27-2-2006 by Masonic Light]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Masons wear lambskin aprons. If I was a mason this verse of scripture would jump out at me. I'm sure this has been brought up before. Is there a standard mason answer for this?


Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS?

Hmm, seems like it could apply to you. You've come here pretending to be friendly and just wanting a discusion, but apparently you are hiding some resentments and other bad emotions behind a sheep like and docile facade.

Infact, this applies better to you than masonry, even if the 'sheeps clothing' portion isn't as literal, becuse masonry doesn't make any claims at religion and prophecy, whereas you appear to be trying to present a religious interpretation and religious ideas. Why take the 'sheep's clothing' aspect to literally mean 'clothing made from sheep', when its clear that what is being implied is the dichotomy between appearances (nice safe sheep), and real intent (dangerous wolfiness)?

What is the more important part of that passage, in your estimation, a literal interpretation of 'clothing made from sheep', or the false prophet portion?

Masonic Light; Freemasonry started in Scotland...

Originally posted by intrepid
You do know that Masons aren't all Christian, right?

You have no idea of what you’re talking about.
In order to become a Mason you must believe in God.
I am an EA and everyone in my lodge is Christians. There may be a rouge lodge that do not believe in God and are not recognized by real masons but that does not represent all masons.

Originally posted by Unreal Reality

Originally posted by intrepid
You do know that Masons aren't all Christian, right?

You have no idea of what you’re talking about.
In order to become a Mason you must believe in God.
I am an EA and everyone in my lodge is Christians. There may be a rouge lodge that do not believe in God and are not recognized by real masons but that does not represent all masons.

Masons can be Muslim, Jewish and Hindi as well; possibly a few other religions but they need to believe in one Supreme Being (i.e. not polytheistic as Shintoism). I would argue Hindis were allowed to join because of India being part of the British Empire...but the Hindu religion is that all the hundreds of thousands of gods are all parts of the One True God...so maybe they had a legitimate issue that Freemasonry made the exception for.

Originally posted by Unreal Reality

Originally posted by intrepid
You do know that Masons aren't all Christian, right?

You have no idea of what you’re talking about.
In order to become a Mason you must believe in God.
I am an EA and everyone in my lodge is Christians. There may be a rouge lodge that do not believe in God and are not recognized by real masons but that does not represent all masons.

Oh REALLY? I'm thinking that you may not be a Mason at all with that narrow view you have on things. Are you saying that the Christian god is the only god? I believe that it is you my friend that "has NO idea of what you're talking about." I know Masons that AREN'T Christian, regular Masonry.

You want to step up to the plate with this one bub? I'm sure the Masonic members here will be willing to put your arguement, if it could be called one, to bed.

You are right! I stand corrected; I thought he was implying that some were satanist or atheist.

The use of lambskin in masonic aprons is (not surprisingly) symbolic.

External Quote: John 1:29

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

You can read a precis about the history and symbolism of the lambskin apron here

I’m only an EA as I stated. I’m still learning, but I do know that in the interview and on the application I was required to believe in God.

[edit on 28-2-2006 by Unreal Reality]

Originally posted by intrepid
You want to step up to the plate with this one bub? I'm sure the Masonic members here will be willing to put your arguement, if it could be called one, to bed.

To be a (regular) freemason a man must believe in a Supreme Being. It doesn't matter whether you call Him God, Allah, Jehovah or even if you decline to name him at all. As long as He is Supreme.

There is a Sikh in my lodge. Wiccans can be and are freemasons. It's a personal decision as to how you define your belief.

Tucked up, with a Teddy Bear, and a nice warm cup of Horlicks. Nighty night.

Originally posted by Trinityman
To be a (regular) freemason a man must believe in a Supreme Being. It doesn't matter whether you call Him God, Allah, Jehovah or even if you decline to name him at all. As long as He is Supreme.

There is a Sikh in my lodge. Wiccans can be and are freemasons. It's a personal decision as to how you define your belief.

Tucked up, with a Teddy Bear, and a nice warm cup of Horlicks. Nighty night.

My point exactly, thanks TM.

I was asked in my interview if I believe in God and what religion I practiced. Makes me wonder if lodges discriminate against religion? Like are some lodges Christian members only and do they disqualify non Christians if they deveduldge it in the interview? I’m sure if you live in the Bible Belt you have no chance of getting in a Lodge if you’re a Hindu. Sorry if this is off topic.

They ask so that they know what book to have on the altar when you are taking your degrees.