WWIII

OBL is dead and has been for some time.

www.whatreallyhappened.com...


Don't be surprised if al-Ciada gives him another video resurrection when it's time for more 'terrorism' in the US.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
bin laden doesn't have leadership of a powerful industrialized nation so he can't possibly start a world war

Man how fast people forget history. WW1 was triggered by a rag tag group of Serbian nationalists.

You need a powerful industrialized nation to wage a World War not to start one. If conditions are right history has proven it doesn't require much too light the fuse.

Anymore it would take more than a few nationalists to start a war, the only nation who is gung ho is the bushies, everyone else would not jump the gun, they have learned from history thats the differance.

WWIII will start between pakistan and india.

It doesn't take a government and an industrial complex to set the world on fire.
All it takes is an idea and a growing number of followers.
A few cartoons can help, too.

Bin Ladden just fight against the west and US especially, not the world, nor does he wanted world domination. He won't start WWIII.

WWI was triggered because of high nationalism of the rivalling European powers. Talk about high nationalism in USA now: It barely has any.

According to history it's just a matter of "when the time is right".
The Boston Tea Party caused the last revolution.

The straw that broke the camels back was an issues involving a tax on smuggled TEA!
That's why I believe it's just a matter of time before the general public turns on this system for the crimes our 'government' has committed against us.
It's a matter of enough people being aware of what they consider as 'the truth' and also being disgusted by it.

I would hope that once a certain amount of Americans understand that they are eating FRANKENFOOD, that 'We the People' are going to savor the blood of SCIENTIST and POLITICIANS !
Instead of laying dormant while they poisoning us and milk us dry for the treatments.

It's just a matter of 'timing'.

SO! Don't forget to knock somebody in the head with the truth at least once a day!

WWIII:



This thread needs some new life, so I volunteer my words to instill flaming debate among you who may be either intellectually devoid or mentally blessed or somewhere in the middle. And for you, Manincloak, bless you for your ignorance. To just be able to have the right to say such a mindless thing is exactly why so many in America and other free nations have given their lives serving their country. Maybe you ought to think about doing it yourself, serving that is, or at least say a prayer of thanks for the freedoms you still enjoy, while you still can. The first casualty of war is our freedom, which must be temporarily curtailed in order to fight.

My contention is that WWIII is already under way. It has been for at least eight years now. But the actual start date can be varied depending on which event you choose to indicate the beginning. Some say 9-11-2001, and others say 1979 when the US embassy in Iran was taken over by the new Iranian Islamic government (also when Bin Ladin was working with the CIA in Afghanistan to defeat the Soviets). Others mark the beginnings with the bombing in 1983 in Beirut blowing up the US Embassy, killing 63 and followed in October of that year by the bombing of the US Barracks, killing 241 marines. Here is a list of dates of terrorist attacks against Americans:

www.infoplease.com...

On May 28, 1998 Osama Bin Ladin announced the formation of a new organization, "The Islamic World Front for the Jihad against the Jews and Crusaders", but he had been involved in a number of terrorist attacks on American interests before that. terrorism.about.com...

Interview on Al Queda's Purported Atomic Attack Plans Against the US: www.bibletime.com...

Now for the opinion stuff relating to WWIII. Basically, in my opinion the reason the US has not been hit hard since 9-11 is simply that the enemy has realized that they cannot win by small attacks on US soil which will only serve to inflame the will of the American people. What is going on is an effort by the enemy to delay until such time as they can acquire the necessary weapons to actually win a world war. There is no question whatsoever that Iran, which has an abundant source of natural uranium on its soil and North Korea which also has an abundant source of natural uranium on its soil are building Nuclear weapons and their associated delivery systems as fast as they can possibly do so. Their declared and undeclared allies are Syria, factions in Iraq (and all of Iraq before the invasion), some Indonesian nations and factions within most Islamic countries.

It is for these reasons that WWIII exists now and will get worse. American efforts to diffuse and destroy the enemy have been ongoing and have significantly delayed these countries from completing their goals. It is unlikely barring an invasion of Iran and North Korea that we could stop these nations from fulfilling their goals of a) destroying Israel and b) destroying the United States and its allies who would join in the World War.

Some things to consider:
1. A weakened or preoccupied America will definitely cause China to take advantage of the opportunity to take back Taiwan. They are pretty much ready and have built up their military at an alarming rate to do this and to become a world power. This is a wild card and could lead to a significant total nuclear war.
2. The war is between the west, including Israel and a radical interpretation of the Qur’an based on Islamist Wahhabism that believes in the prophetic destruction of the Infidel and the elimination of all Jews. This is a very complex situation and cannot be explained in one sentence. Here are a couple of links: www.globalsecurity.org...

www.nationalreview.com...

3. For those of you who would say George Bush would cause WWIII, I think reality is that he is more aware than anyone of how important it is to find a way to peacefully exist with the Wahhabist belief structure by the process of political engagement. AKA the ports deal and other events that he has been quietly working on to help relieve the threat of mutual annihilation and nuclear war. While we are at war, no one is more engaged in trying to find a way to settle differences peacefully, in my opinion. But he cannot ignore the realities of what is happening either and there is no way the West will allow this group to obtain Nuclear weapons.
4. In addition to this issue, you should be aware that the enemy has an unlimited supply of money, mostly coming out of Saudi Arabia, and coupled with millions in the middle east and Indonesia who sympathize with and support Al Queda, this is a very dangerous situation indeed.




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[edit on 2/26/06 by dogberts not]

Originally posted by Submersible
According to history it's just a matter of "when the time is right".
The Boston Tea Party caused the last revolution.

The straw that broke the camels back was an issues involving a tax on smuggled TEA!
That's why I believe it's just a matter of time before the general public turns on this system for the crimes our 'government' has committed against us.
It's a matter of enough people being aware of what they consider as 'the truth' and also being disgusted by it.

I would hope that once a certain amount of Americans understand that they are eating FRANKENFOOD, that 'We the People' are going to savor the blood of SCIENTIST and POLITICIANS !
Instead of laying dormant while they poisoning us and milk us dry for the treatments.

It's just a matter of 'timing'.

SO! Don't forget to knock somebody in the head with the truth at least once a day!

The Boston Tea Party had a rather miniscule role in the American Revolution. Most Americans didn't have a problem living under British rule, and further more accepted taxes in return for British protection from hostile Native American tribes.

It was the corruption they saw in the British system that set off the Revolution more than anything. Most of the founders were actually happy with the British system, they simply wanted to rid themselves of the corruption they saw seeping in from Europe. Most of the founders were against a fully democratic system, many of them felt the American people, or at the time, British colonists, would not make responsible decisions because they wouldn't have all the information neccessary to make such decisions.

High School text books never tell the whole truth

This lack of information is also precisely the reason your Revolution of Self-Revelation will never come to be, while I don't disagree with your point, the American people will never bother informing themselves, much less acting upon any such information... Guess the Founding Fathers were right in their suspicions.

[edit on 26/2/06 by Conquistadork]

Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
WWI was triggered because of high nationalism of the rivalling European powers. Talk about high nationalism in USA now: It barely has any.

The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was clearly the trigger of WW1.
"High nationalism" of the rivalling European was only one part of the complex series of events that created a climate that would allow a simple assassination to spark Global war. Theres a difference between the events that set the stage for WW1 and its trigger.

But you want to talk about "High nationalism" Of European countries at the time. Lets compare that to the Islamic world at present, Like Thomas Crowe pointed out look at the reaction a simple Cartoon created. You could argue large elements of the Muslim world are more volatile then Europe pre-WW1.

I dont even want to think of the reaction of Islam if something like Kaaba was attacked. That could easily trigger a World War. That wouldn't require a Massive industrialize military to accomplish either, just some C-4 and a group crazy enough to do it.

There are also groups out there that dont include the West or the Middle East that would love to start a WW. Remember the Cult in Japan that gased the Subway? The goal of the group was to spark Armageddon and they were convinced if the killed enough people they could trigger it.

If any events happened like that to some important Muslim Icon like the Kaaba it wouldn't matter who did it, we all know who the Muslim world would blame.

If you want to be technical Shadow, it was the secret alliances that really triggered the war, for if the Russians were not secretly allied with the Serbs, and the Germans secretly allied with Austria, and the French secretly allied with the Russians, none of this would have ever happened, now would it?

Ol' George was right to warn us to stay out of European affairs, they just get so damned confusing with all the secret alliances and silly treaties.

Originally posted by Conquistadork

Originally posted by Submersible

The straw that broke the camels back was an issues involving a tax on smuggled TEA!

The Boston Tea Party had a rather miniscule role in the American Revolution. Most Americans didn't have a problem living under British rule, and further more accepted taxes in return for British protection from hostile Native American tribes.

It was the corruption they saw in the British system that set off the Revolution more than anything. Most of the founders were actually happy with the British system, they simply wanted to rid themselves of the corruption they saw seeping in from Europe. Most of the founders were against a fully democratic system, many of them felt the American people, or at the time, British colonists, would not make responsible decisions because they wouldn't have all the information neccessary to make such decisions.

If you want to talk about events that set the stage for the American Revolution it clearly goes back to atleast the French and Indian Wars. It was clear after those events that England was still going to consider the colonist second class citizens they wanted all the rights British citizens got but they were denied this, but thats still only part of it.

These events were not the trigger or "straw that broke the camels back" concerning the Revolution though merley the setting of the stage.

Submersible is quite correct referring too the Tax of Tea as the straw that broke the camels back concerning the American Revolution.

Originally posted by Zeratul
WWIII will start between pakistan and india.

Most interesting post on this thread.......

Originally posted by ShadowXIX

Originally posted by Conquistadork

Originally posted by Submersible

The straw that broke the camels back was an issues involving a tax on smuggled TEA!

The Boston Tea Party had a rather miniscule role in the American Revolution. Most Americans didn't have a problem living under British rule, and further more accepted taxes in return for British protection from hostile Native American tribes.

It was the corruption they saw in the British system that set off the Revolution more than anything. Most of the founders were actually happy with the British system, they simply wanted to rid themselves of the corruption they saw seeping in from Europe. Most of the founders were against a fully democratic system, many of them felt the American people, or at the time, British colonists, would not make responsible decisions because they wouldn't have all the information neccessary to make such decisions.

If you want to talk about events that set the stage for the American Revolution it clearly goes back to atleast the French and Indian Wars. It was clear after those events that England was still going to consider the colonist second class citizens they wanted all the rights British citizens got but they were denied this, but thats still only part of it.

These events were not the trigger or "straw that broke the camels back" concerning the Revolution though merley the setting of the stage.

Submersible is quite correct referring too the Tax of Tea as the straw that broke the camels back concerning the American Revolution.

Dont forget about the taxes without representation in the Parliament, the Stamp Act, and the Boston Massacre. There were many factors in the starting of the American Revolution.

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1) Bush is not the antichrist, nor is he the enemy. He is simply a bad president.

2) If OBL is not dead, then he will be soon, just look at how sick he is! kidney dialysis, diabetes, and other stuff i mean that slows him down. It would be sad if the US Govt, the most powerful force alive, could not catch a 70 year old man on kidney dialysis!

3) I dont think that World war 3 will happen anytime in the next 10-15 years. It wont happen, IMHO, until the relations betweent the US and china have soured to a certain degree. As someone said, an invasion of taiwan could do it. But, i doubt wed do anything about it.

4) Its not that were chicken to fight a big war; its that the media has turned the people of America against themselves and removed the fighting spirit that has existed there since its inception. Counts of the amount of dead Americans? Whose idea was that? Heres a good one, a counter of the dead ENEMIES. Think about this. In vietnam we lost about 58,000 men.
We killed almost 2,000,000 enemies
thats a kill to death ratio of 34of them for 1 of us. im sure its similar in this war. How many americans died? only freaking 2000 or so? thats pathetic that a loss of that many people can make our people turn against the war. Look at what weve done.
All it would take is censorship of the media in wars. Make them say positive things. I dont care if its a lie i just dont want to hear that crap!

All we need in America to re-invigorate that fighting spirit is to be invaded. We need someone to HATE. Like japan in ww2. or the nazis. You have got to get MAD. for example we hated the soviets in the Cold War. If theyd have somehow invaded us without nukes, wed have owned them for several reasons.
a) Gangs. Hillbilies. Psychos. Moms. Hunters. Cops. Gun Freaks. Anyone. LOTS of people in america have guns. All it takes is someone to go, " hey bob did you hear that the russians have come? ok get your gun were going out. Lets go get Jim too." That is probably unique to any other western nation. Im pathetically weak but i can still pull a trigger, id fight. I know many would.
b) we have military bases in every state. All they gotta do is march into the fray.
c) we hated them.
d) their people didnt hate us and would not have put up with losing the amounts of men they would have lost, and their economy would have collapsed sooner than it did.

5) Yes, our people are pathetic, they do choose not to inform themselves on current events. We do get fat and lazy. BUT we still can use guns and do have them. And we have a large capacaty for hating others. Dont count america out yet.

6) The press is the problem with america and its been free too long. BTW, i live in america. All I think we should do is censor it in regard to war. THATS IT.

Originally posted by ludaChris

Dont forget about the taxes without representation in the Parliament, the Stamp Act, and the Boston Massacre. There were many factors in the starting of the American Revolution.

I agree, I cleary said American viewing themselves as Second class citizens after the French Indian war was only part of it. Another factor was the fact after the war colonist felt as if all the land from the Atlantic to the Mississippi was theirs to live on. However, Britain disallowed the colonists from living on that land by the British Royal Proclamation of 1763. That decision of the King didnt exactly sit too well with the colonist. That among other things also added to setting the stage for the revolution.


But none of these events are what I would consider the "straw that broke the camels back". The Tax on Tea did that.

Lets not forget that recently France threatened to use Nukes on anyone that attacked them.


www.heraldsun.news.com.au...

WWIII could start at any time.

Originally posted by bpletcj
Lets not forget that recently France threatened to use Nukes on anyone that attacked them.


www.heraldsun.news.com.au...

WWIII could start at any time.

This is easy for France to say. What country has reason to attack them?