Steven Greer's Rant Re: Kevin Randle

www.disclosureproject.org...

To see Randle's reports, which got Greer all fired up:

kevinrandle.blogspot.com...

(I have my own comments posted in the two most
recent blog entries.)

After reading both, it seems Greer is putting words in Randle's mouth.
Randle said that yes, the witness was a Brigadier General...just not in the regular armed forces. Randle also makes it clear that he is not in any way attempting to besmirch his testimony....so not sure why Greer is so bent out of shape here.....

I think Greer has developed a cultic mindset, necessitating
the creation of enemies to his effort. Calling Randle an
"enabler of UFO secrecy" is just plain nonsense. IMO, this
is a sad exhibition of the current state of Greer's character
(like I said in my comments at Randle's blog).

His Brig. General is a General in the "Keystone Cops" (NC STATE guard) and NOT the U.S. Military.

There is a HUGE leve of credibility afforded a REAL U.S. Military Brig. General, there is little ZERO value to one appointed by his buddies in the state publicity board.

Springer...

Here, if you guys want to see if the General is the real deal. Take a look at his credentials. They are posted in Greers site.

See Lovkin's Credentials

Kudos for Greer, Randle is such a know-it all, IMO.
As for me, I will contact whom he has asked us to.
He seems to be about $$, not getting to disclosure for years.

[edit on 24-2-2006 by siriuslyone]

Greer has been out of touch for so long (I remember watching him and his people trying to signal airplanes in Gulf Breeze for hours, whilst "Bubba" was in the opposite direction.) It never ceases to amaze me how large the fanbase has become.

Not the first time the word "cultist" has cropped up in people's opinions.

Cultist or not, Greer is probably doing the right thing. I am pretty sure that he will succeed in his mission for disclosure. He is a fighter! His views on UFOs might be a little extreeme, but UFOs themselves are an extreeme topic.

Go GREER

[edit on 24-2-2006 by Cabanman]

Here, if you guys want to see if the General is the real deal. Take a look at his credentials. They are posted in Greers site.

See Lovkin's Credentials

I have, and Randle is correct. (as is Springer)

He is a general in the State Guard, and this is different from being a ranking general in recognized Armed Forces.

Greer would be far better off playing up the prominent attourney angle, than the general bit.

Such rants are why Greer, despite his best efforts, will never be taken seriously....

Originally posted by Gazrok
Such rants are why Greer, despite his best efforts, will never be taken seriously....

And thats why he's more of a liability then an asset any admittance.

greer didnt bitch and moan to much,
lovekin is still credible and im sure that 100% proof will come out behind his backgroud of service which should be on the disclosure website to end the confusion

Originally posted by veespec
greer didnt bitch and moan to much,
lovekin is still credible and im sure that 100% proof will come out behind his backgroud of service which should be on the disclosure website to end the confusion

Lovekin's story or report, that he was shown Roswell debris by
a high ranking military guy and told that the UFO matter was
slipping out of Eisenhower's control, may indeed be the truth.
I haven't dismissed that as possibly being so and Randle doesn't
appear to have done so either. The point is (as made by Randle)
is whether it is USEFUL. It is not corroborated, so how can Congress
and the press be truely affected (or impressed) by his solitary testimony
about this particular episode reported by Lovekin? I worked with
someone whose father was a janitor at Wright Patterson and his
father told the kids he had heard about alien bodies there from other
personneel. Such hearsay stuff is not useful, imo. As Jason and
Grant from GhostHunters always say, "it's just a story until a thorough
investigation can confirm it". In Lovekin's story, it's likely that military
official is dead. (Lovekin was a teenager working as a army specialist
at the White House when allegedly told the story.)

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said he's developed a "cultic mindset". Sadly, there seems to be a lot of that going around.

I have followed The Disclosure project on and off for a while, and it appears to me that Dr. Greer is concentrating more on quantity than quality. He has quite a line up, with many diamonds in the rough, but by adding less credible witnesses, IMHO, he has jeopardized the project.

I suspect that if he gets into a debate with Randle, he is not going to come out looking too good. Randle is one of the good guys and an excellent researcher, and to call him a “hobbyist” is insulting.

I sometimes wonder what would be accomplished, if these circles of researchers could get along and work together.

Hello

See the message from Michael Salla about the situation : groups.yahoo.com...

Personally, i fully support Steven Greer and Michael Salla. Kevin Randle is totally wrong there.

Hi!
IMHO I'm glad we have both Dr. Greer and capt. Randle (reserves), with their digging for info we get the juice!!
as for "the Guard"a really good book to read is, "THEY ARE SOLDIERS", by Harold Coyle.

The Guard-"they are civilians,they are soldiers".

www.virtuallystrange.net...

The above link provides further comments by Kevin Randle concerning
his investigation into Lovekin's background.

Reposted from groups.yahoo.com...

Why the contact movement should support Dr. Steven
Greer and the Disclosure Project Witnesses.

The current debate concerning Disclosure Project
witnesses compels me share my perspective. It is my
assessment that this controversy reveals the low level
of political and moral development of the subculture
known as “ufology” Its relative backwardness and lack
of consciousness is preventing the emergence of a
vibrant broad based contact movement with the “Et
visitors”. It is my hope that the following narrative
and analysis will move the discussion to a higher
level by providing information from one who once was a
“CSETI insider.” I have not spoken to Dr. Greer in 8
years, nevertheless I still consider myself one who
passionately believes that the presence of the
“Visitors” can help our civilization evolve in a
positive direction.

I was closely involved with CSETI from 1992 to 1998.
Most of my work involved organizing CSETI research
activities known as the CE-5 Initiative. Although this
project was never successful in achieving its ultimate
goal of facilitating “landings of Et spacecraft and
boardings of CSETI researchers” we had remarkable
limited success. On repeated occasions I witnessed the
vectoring in of UFOs by CSETI teams using Dr. Greer’s
contact protocols. Please see my web site where only a
very small part of CSETI’s investigations are
described www.contactunderground.com

The precursor to the Disclosure Project was known as
“Starlight” and like the CE-5 Initiative that effort
demanded tremendous personal and professional
sacrifice from Dr. Greer. While working as an ER
physician and helping his wife raise 4 children, he
tirelessly traveled all over the Western World
promoting human initiated and human empowered “Close
Encounters” with the “Visitors.” Project Starlight was
equally ambitious and required countless confidential
meetings between Greer and prominent military,
political and intelligence officials who were
assisting him in breaking the veil of secrecy
surrounding this subject. I learned this from
attending repeated meetings with Dr. Greer where he
informed CSETI investigators concerning these
developments. On several occasions I stayed with
Steven and his wife Emily at their home in Asheville.
There I witnesses those two brave souls stand up to
constant adversity placed in their path. As a former
political activist and fellow ER physician, I know
that the nightmare of Emergency Room is good
preparation for being a political operator in both
Washington DC and the UFO ghetto. A difficult but
necessary task that my colleague Dr. Greer had
volunteered to do.

I attended the 1997 “ behind closed-door briefing”
held in Washington that was organized by Dr. Greer and
his closest supporters. I participated in a limited
way but observed the enormous complexity of witness
selection process and the need to provide a respectful
and supportive venue for them to give their important
testimony. That Dr. Greer could hold success a diverse
coalition together, on a shoestring budget, with
crackpot debunkers hounding him at every step, was
close to a miracle. Yes the late Philip Klass even
tried to and disrupt that “by invitations only
meeting. A six-foot tall, retired Navy Intelligence
officer who also happened to be Dr. Greer’s military
advisor, kept that old but nevertheless determined
debunker from barging in on our meeting. The
definitive history of CSETI of course will be left to
Steven Greer. I consider it a previlege to have
witnessed only a small part of it.

There was some vigorous discussion among Dr. Greer’s
team at that meeting. I spoke up because I found one
or two witnesses to be highly questionable. Harsh
words were exchanged but I still voiced my concerns
and one pilot who was exposed as a con-man in UFO
press was dropped at the last minute. This only
occurred after Steven confronted him about the
allegations in a last minute phone conversation before
the witness departed for Washington.

For those critics of CSETI and the Disclosure Project
I urge you to consider the difficult balancing act
that confronted Dr. Greer. Remember the witnesses were
(and still are) susceptible to considerable
intimidation. On one hand in order to attract the
maximum number of witnesses, (this was especially
important during the early stages of DP) a very
supportive atmosphere had to be created in order for
them to have the courage to come forward at all. On
the other hand this broad invitation ran the risk that
some of the witnessed might be problematic like the
one described above.

Dr. Greer invested considerable time and energy in
assessing their testimony, nevertheless he was running
a non-governmental organization that had almost no
money. He and his family not only sacrificed hundreds
of thousands of dollars of un-earned income as the
result of his UFO work, but on top of that he was
pouring thousands of dollars of money that he earned
as a physician into the cause of ending the truth
embargo.

How can we compare this level of dedication and
sacrifice to some of CSETI’s critics who make a humble
livelihood selling books and videos about UFOs and
require a steady diet of new” discoveries” and
“exposes” to increase their notoriety and support
their income.

I spent some time with Stephen Lovekin at the 1997
meeting. As an ER physician you learn a lot about
people. Body language, the way people behave can tell
you a lot. Sure it may not be as good as a $40,000
government security investigation, nevertheless when
investigating witnesses’ claims these subtle clues can
be revealing. Lovekin impressed me as genuine. Unlike
so many hucksters we find in this strange field, he
had a quiet modesty that told me he was telling the
truth as he knew it. There was something else I
recall. There was a touch of fear or perhaps a better
term would be uncertainty about him. It seemed like he
was struggling with the wisdom of his decision to
testify, but along side that reservation I sensed a
determination to come forward no matter what the
consequences. I believe then as I do now that Stephen
Lovekin is the real McCoy.

The real tragedy here is that the repeated attempts at
debunking the Disclosure Project witnesses are coming
from within the UFO community itself. Rather than
assisting Dr. Greer and the Disclosure Project, they
waste their time serving as disruptors of a very
important effort. Such destructive activities will
discourage other witnesses from coming forward. The
UFO community, rather than being seen by the larger
public as united, will show its worse sides, as a
bizarre subculture where egoism and envy are important
motivators rather than honesty, modesty and
dedication. Potential donations from wealthy
contributors will surely not be encouraged by these
antics.

I know how careful Dr. Geer was in protecting his
sources in the early days of Starlight and the
Disclosure Project. He did most of the interviewing
work himself, not only to protect them from negative
aspects of ufology, but also because he knew of the
potential risks to those like himself who were talking
to individuals who were capable of explosive
revelations. I personally had been involved in many
physical confrontations with the authorities during my
days as a student activist in the anti-war and civil
rights movements of the 1960s and 1970s. We worried in
those days about being kicked out of school, of being
arrested, or being sent to Vietnam, Back in 1997
listening to the revelations of some of the witnesses
Dr. Greer was attempting to bring forward, I was more
scared than I had ever been during my youth. I still
count myself proud of being a dues paying member of
CSETI. I wish I could have done more during these last
nine years to support the Disclosure Project and the
other visionary campaigns of Dr. Greer’s organization

Ufology has the potential of being transformed from a
marginalized sub-culture into something much broader
and far more meaningful. The vision behind CSETI
projects like the CE-5 Initiative, the Disclosure
Project and SEAS can serve to guide us in building a
social movement that can overcome UFO secrecy,
establish a dialogue with the “Visitors” and possibly
even help to integrate advanced propulsion systems
into our planet’s technological culture. For many such
a choice is out of the question. They would rather
promote their individual importance by tearing down
the good work of others rather than uniting with the
most progressive, energetic and thoughtful elements in
our community. I urge truth seekers to support the
vital work of Dr. Steven Greer and the Disclosure
Project Witnesses.

Sincerely
Joseph Burkes MD
This letter can be reproduced in its entirety for
distribution to the public

Being curious about Greer's public appearances (upcoming), I found
this at www.disclosureproject.org...

May 12-14, 2006 - Montreal, Quebec - Dr. Steven Greer will speak at the International Institute for Integral Studies conference entitled " Global Encounters and Transformations in Spirit, Space and Time". His talk will be on “Hidden Truth — Forbidden Knowledge: It’s Time for You to Know” — An exciting update on The Disclosure Project". The conference web site is: www.iiihs.org...

July 7-9, 2006 - Mt. Shasta, California - Dr. Steven Greer will speak at the "In the Heart of the Awakened" Conference produced by Shalomar Productions. He will be there on the 8th and 9th. Conference web site: www.shalomarproductions.com...

From www.disclosureproject.org...

We must not enable those who would enable secrecy. It is time that we hold such behavior accountable and defend the honor, reputation and testimony of such fine and heroic witnesses as Brig. General Stephen Lovekin.

HEAR HEAR! Go Dr Greer! He is not ranting. This is the voice of reason. Belittiling or questioning the integrity of witnesses is a shameful act by someone in the UFO field, where each and every person deserves a fair hearing, where every experience is valid and everyone deserves the right to disclose what they know, irrespective of where they come from.

I'm with Cabanman; I hope Dr Greer ultimately succeeds in his mission to blow this wide open. Detractors are running scared, detractors are treating him like a joke, detractors are part of the problem and not willing to work for solutions. They are scared of the real truth. Avoiding the truth-bearers won't sweep the carpet clean. Something will give one day. I believe this will come when antigravity devices developed by SEASpower are revealed to the world. One day, the world will know. GBW's State of the Union speech alluded to alternative energy solutions, developments will move on this front in coming years and Dr Greer will hopefully be at the forefront of blowing this wide open. And all those who think he's a joke or an embarrasment to the UFO community will be eating their words when he was right all along.

[edit on 28-2-2006 by RiotComing]