Aliens: Benevolent Or Malevolent

Greetings Fellow Believers,

If aliens are visiting our planet, are they just benevolent creatures overseeing our development, or are they malevolent predators with some unknown agenda?

Consider some of the facts known of the habits UFOs: none have been adequately photographed for absolute identification and have a tendency straying into military airspace. If these creatures are benevolent, they seem to be preparing our species for some future first-contact scenario...attempting to minimize the social and religious shock that undoubtably affect us.

However, if these aliens are malevolent predators, the apparent actions of the UFOs, avoidance of absolute identification and testing military response by flying into military airspace, signifies a clear and present danger from a species that would treat Homo Sapiens no differently than cattle.

Your thoughts?

There are malevolent aliens here, and benevolent aliens here. Some of them aren't even aliens. They have been here for thousands of years, and this planet is not ours. It's home to the Terrans. This earth is really* called Terra, or Teegeack. The bad aliens are, The insectoids, the grays, the draconians *evil kind* There is a benevolent race od reptilians that reside underground. Their insignia is the dragon with 4 white wings around it, I think. The evil race lives down underground too, but away from the good kind. The evil ones are here for a cold war that will pop up around 2012 when the New World Order begins...soon. My friend says end of March this year, but I'm not entirely sure about that. The reason why there would be a cold war, is because they need our resources, water, copper, oil, and many others. Oh and blood. Which is why the grays abduct humans, and mutilate cows. Also, the best race, the kindest is in the sky right now. Watching over us, in their ship called le muria I believe. They are the Andromedians, and I think they may come down to help us later. All the information I have provided is true. I get my resources from my spirit guide, books, and...sometimes the internet. but mostly my guide. Oh and another thing...the grays can never be trusted. ever.

Greetings Fellow Believers,

I do not know about any interstellar "Cold War". I do know of the grave concern for the calendar year of 2012.

If several alien species are here--would it be possible that, though the Earth is somehow a focus of this war--that this Terran battlefield is actually a place where these aliens meet and attempt to figure some way out to avoid war?

I also do not have any knowledge of which alien species to trust

I do believe that we are not alone in this vast universe. There are just too many possibilities for "chance" not to have made life elsewhere in it. It probably is even true about Roswell. However, my personal belief is that the UFO's being seen in the sky, especially at night, are advanced, highly secretive US government prototypes. If the technology is so advanced that the stealth bomber can be revealed, what is not revealed?

Originally posted by whitelightwolf
There are malevolent aliens here, and benevolent aliens here. Some of them aren't even aliens. They have been here for thousands of years, and this planet is not ours. It's home to the Terrans. This earth is really* called Terra, or Teegeack. The bad aliens are, The insectoids, the grays, the draconians *evil kind* There is a benevolent race od reptilians that reside underground. Their insignia is the dragon with 4 white wings around it, I think. The evil race lives down underground too, but away from the good kind. The evil ones are here for a cold war that will pop up around 2012 when the New World Order begins...soon. My friend says end of March this year, but I'm not entirely sure about that. The reason why there would be a cold war, is because they need our resources, water, copper, oil, and many others. Oh and blood. Which is why the grays abduct humans, and mutilate cows. Also, the best race, the kindest is in the sky right now. Watching over us, in their ship called le muria I believe. They are the Andromedians, and I think they may come down to help us later. All the information I have provided is true. I get my resources from my spirit guide, books, and...sometimes the internet. but mostly my guide. Oh and another thing...the grays can never be trusted. ever.

Wow! That's a lot of info. Would you care to name your sources. Maybe you covered that somewhere else, but I missed it.

If there are EBE's out there, they will undoubtably run the gamut between malevolent to benevolent, some will be both, who knows maybe neither, maybe so strange that the concept of good and evil don't apply to them.

Strange and wondrous. Plain and ordinary. Whatever. The most alien critter we are ever likely to meet is us. How's that for profound?

Originally posted by Jack of Scythes
Greetings Fellow Believers,

If aliens are visiting our planet, are they just benevolent creatures overseeing our development, or are they malevolent predators with some unknown agenda?

Consider some of the facts known of the habits UFOs: none have been adequately photographed for absolute identification and have a tendency straying into military airspace. If these creatures are benevolent, they seem to be preparing our species for some future first-contact scenario...attempting to minimize the social and religious shock that undoubtably affect us.

However, if these aliens are malevolent predators, the apparent actions of the UFOs, avoidance of absolute identification and testing military response by flying into military airspace, signifies a clear and present danger from a species that would treat Homo Sapiens no differently than cattle.

Your thoughts?

I believe I can answer that question for you by asking you a similar question: Are earthlings in your opinion benevolent or malevolent? See what I mean? Why would earth be the only place in the universe with... well.... BOTH ?


sincerely

Cade

Greetings Fellow Believers,

Knowledge of secret aircraft being developed by the general public is slowly leaked by the powers-that-be.

The only vehicle that I know of is the Aurora: a pulse-methane driven aircraft capable of attaining a LEO (Low Earth Orbit). Some blurred photos of it were taken seconds after the second plane hit the World Trade Center on 9/11.

Best guess is that this aircraft is remotely guided. The flight characteristics would make is really difficult to be flown by a human being

If aliens are truely malevolet I think that they would have tried to complete their agenda, however siunce nothing has really happened, I would say that they are probaly just curious.

I also feel that we are not alone and most likely have been visited. I would think it safe to say that their actions so far don't "seem" all that hostile. Logically, if they came from outer-space, couldn't they have just conquered us already? What would they be waiting for? And furthermore, what could we do to prevent it anyway?

Can I just add this about EBE's?

Ok I had an aweful abduction by the Greys in 1995 - It really traumatised me for a while after. Winter sun burn on half my face, angry bee sounds, dark shapes in my house at the edge of sight, the full works. The in the summer of 1996 I had another visit from an EBE race. This being was about three feet tall, huge yellow eyes shaped like saucers, blue skin ( Which was as rough as sandpaper when I grabbed hold of it) and a thin slit for the mouth but filled with thousands of needle shaped teeth.
I screamed when i grabbed it hald asleep thinking i was dreaming, but it just semi smiled at me. I felt this wave of peace wash over me, and it projected into my mind a message " If you let me remove the spike, they will not be able to come and get you because their carrier beams will not be able to reach in and pick you up". At this I fainted clean away, waking in the morning with a deep head ache, but feeling like I had a good nights sleep in the first time that year.

After this I never had another abduction happen, but I have seen multiple UFO's around my home on or near my abduction date (Oct 23rd, 3:15 am )

Never did ever see that little dude ever again, but I thank him sincerely.

Originally posted by MadGreebo
Never did ever see that little dude ever again, but I thank him sincerely.

Or her? or maybe it didn't have a sex?

Hmm.. interesting post but could you go into detail on the grey abductions? What kind of things did they do to you?

Greetings Fellow Believers,

Many of you have brought to the foreground two valid points: 1) aliens are here and they don't appear to be doing anything, though they obviously have the capacity to conquer us; 2) human beings are apparently powerless in some form of interstellar struggle with Earth at the heart of it.

I suggest to you two solutions.

First, though we seem to be unable to positively identify, without any doubt, these alien species--it is clear that their actions are covert--albiet benevolent in some cases. These interstellar visitors should be forced to the forefront by our intervention into their affairs. Regarding abductions: explore ways to prevent these aliens from influencing the human brain to prevent people being taken. Considering UFOs: identify the unknown drive the aliens employ to help us track their vessels--possibly using factors governing the drives of these UFOs against them to destroy the ships if the aliens are proven malevolent.

Taking an active role to identify these aliens would bring Humanity into whatever interstellar concerns being handled here on Earth. However, if any of you have read David Gerrold's "Chess With a Dragon"--you could well realize that it would have been better to be blind to these aliens?

Assumptions:
1. Aliens are visiting earth.
2. Aliens have a purpose in mind.

Those assumptions made, which I'm willing to dispute either, I can't envision an advanced alien species coming to earth with a "malevolant" purpose in mind. There would be no point. If they have the technology to travel and survive interstellar distances, what resources could they possibly need that they couldn't create themselves, or take from uninhabited worlds? Oil? Why would they need oil? Do they use internal combustion engines out in the universe still?

Or water. There's a LOT of water sitting out there in space. Comets, Europa... water's actually a pretty abundant resource, and rather easy to produce artificially too.

I did a whole post about a week or so ago about how if aliens were/are here on earth, their reason for being here would not be resources.

Thus, I can only think of two possibilities:

1. Trade. Two countries (or in this case, planets) - even with technological disparities - can both benefit from trade. It's at the basis of all economic thinking. There need not be a "loser" in trade. Now, what this kind of trade is, I don't know. It could even be cultural trade. You could also argue that this would be a galactic sort of "globalization".

2. Tourism. That's the only other possibility that makes sense. Aliens visit earth because it's a cool place to come to. Or perhaps its scientific tourism, like how we send out probes to Mars and so on - we just want to learn what's going on there without having to be there ourselves.


In the end, we will likely find alien civilizations to be just as malevolant and benevolant as our own. They will have their own internal problems and politics - and on occassion that may spill off into our area. But to fight for territory? It makes no sense.

I mean, once again, they could terraform lifeless planets to get the same results. And why wage war with so much space out there? As for "ideological" wars - we can see that this kind of warfare has evolved into Terrorism. That's the new way of waging wars... not on battlefields, where you know who your enemy is... but at our backdoors, on our footsteps, within arms reach - enemies who you don't know exist. And that's on both sides. I think that warfare will continue to evolve into something more and more personalized, more and more controlling the populations rather than controlling the territory they live in.

Sure, we would like to think that aliens are similar to ourselves. We prefer to imagine them as peaceful galactic coinhabitants that share our interests and desires for peaceful coexistence. It makes a lot of sense. In highly ordered societies, structure ensures survival of the species.

But, what does evolution here on Earth teach us about the various strategies for success? What about ant colonies, bee hives, locust swarms, and other "less structured" societies? What if alien societies resemble these models more than they resemble "us"? What if they don't consider their actions "malevolent", but take a more survival-of-the-species approach to galactic colonization?

The Universe doesn't take sides -- in fact, it doesn't even care who wins. We (including the aliens) are all simple pawns in the grandest of all games. It's up to us to decide how badly (or if) we truly want to win the game, and at what lengths. If humans cease to exist in a million years, who will be around to care. Certainly not the aliens -- much less the Universe.

Originally posted by Yarium
2. Tourism. That's the only other possibility that makes sense. Aliens visit earth because it's a cool place to come to.

This is the best theory I've heard to date! Even with all the crap going on, there are certainly lots of interesting things to do and see here. Perhaps even the problems on Earth that trouble us so much are "quaint" by interstellar standards. Maybe our world crises are like entertainment to them, kind of like going to the theatre or a good Broadway show!

Maybe we should be charging admission

You know, that's a good point. I was taking the assumption that ordered society and culture is most beneficial for species survival - and that under THOSE base interactions, an alien species would not look to take over, but to trade. Even more base to economic theories is that people are rational and respond to incentives...

Perhaps aliens are not.

However, that seriously brings into question how the aliens got here. You NEED some form of societal interactions in order to develop the standard technology base of interstellar travel. Now, there's also biological means, but that would be for the "bug" concept (a species that sends spores to other planets... a interstellar parasite race essentially... and likely non-intelligent).

However, I could see the arguement of a "hive-mind" or "unification" type species whose main method of survival is to be massively xenophobic. Their homeworld would likely be deadly beyond belief to spawn such a species and culture. They would then seek to destroy other species as a form of ensuring their own survival.

However, I would also point out that we have not yet met that race then, since we have not yet been exterminated. If they were so worried - it would not be an infiltration effort to kill us... it would likely be some mass form of bio-bombardment. Alien super-viruses and pathogens that they themselves are likely immune to. Then they waltz in, kill whoever's left, and start a new "hive" with the purpose of finding more species to exterminate.

Malevolent is my vote...unfortunately...

1. Long history of sightings over military installations.
2. Numerous abduction accounts.
3. Evading pursuing aircraft.
4. Maintained secrecy over half a century or longer...
5. Reported actions during abductions.
6. Lack of open dialogue with humans.

The evidence seems strongly in favor of us NOT liking whatever they're up to....

Logically, if they came from outer-space, couldn't they have just conquered us already? What would they be waiting for? And furthermore, what could we do to prevent it anyway?

Don't underestimate us.
Likely, our detonation of a nuke sent a wake-up call to the Universe, that we'd come of age, of a sorts. We have the ability to blow up the planet....hardly a fact one could ignore out of hand. Also, who knows what we've developed. HELs (high energy lasers) have been publicly discussed for a while, so we've probably got something ten times better by now. Maybe there's flight windows, or other logistics, that would prevent conquering. Plus, conquest isn't the only malevolent act...who knows what agendas an alien mindset would have. Perhaps one of the reasons we don't have a flap like the 40's is because we've secretly gotten better at policing our skies? Maybe Corso is right after all, and we're currently at a stalemate, where neither side is ready to commit to war...just guarded looks at each other.

[edit on 23-2-2006 by Gazrok]

Sorry, but I can't help but underestimate humankind. Just take a good hard look around in your local "Mega-Mart".
However, your post did make me think differently about the subject. How about this instead: Maybe we are overestimating them? As some have suggested, they may be technologically superior but perhaps deficient in their colonial savvy. That is to say, maybe they are incapable of producing a Colombus or Cortez or de Leon type of conquistador that can figure out what to do with us and our planet?

aliens wouldn't be working out of malice, though they could be intentionally harming us for their own benefit. malice is unprovoked and has no benefits. aliens are either researching us, evaluating the resources we have left, or earth is a rest stop for aliens.