China harvest which obtains in the South China Sea P-3 crash event

1) Knows completely the EP-3 signalling frequency. Completely clarified the receiver operation wave band. Moreover, exposes the secret which USA uses corresponds the frequency.


2) Tuner will be able to track the frequency-hopping radio frequency the change to the technical analysis which tuner will carry on exposes them " the instantaneous band width ", namely tuner will be able to track a series of frequencies. China grasped these data, center the side engineer designed the frequency surmounted these tuner handling ability radioly.


3) Clarified the antenna group and new style radio. Some new style communications systems enable EP-3 to turn on the tactic data network which the fighter aircraft uses, for instance Link-16, for instance tactic reconnaissance information exchange system


4) Basically cleared off the newest antijamming ultra-high frequency communications system, ARC-187 substitutes is considered obsolete ARC-156. USA and the ally carries on the correspondence will be grasped by China


5) Basically knew the EP-3 similar newest launch source region scope and the power size, different distance of target intercepted of different physics characteristic


6) Discovers United States military airplane may activate mobilephone which even has been shouted down. Therefore military ordered that officer who enter meeting must shout down his mobilephone, or take out its battery


By the way ,the pilot who were died in that accident by China govenment state are still alive in a secret place and otain 10 million curency by govenment.

Do you have a link or something for the pilot thing?

Bastard Chinese Goverment....


It makes me mad when I see just how much the Chinese have really screwed the world in the last 50 years... Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Borneo, Tibet, and the list goes on.... I just feel sorry for the poor airmen that got snatched illeagaly by the Chinese... Glad they made it out though . America should boycott China along with the rest of the world. Let them have an economic meltdown whn we all refuse to buy their crappy made in china goods... Sorry rant over! lol, just makes me mad...

Originally posted by FredT
Do you have a link or something for the pilot thing?

the pilot called 王海 (Wanghai) who are still alive in China was said of some fans in china we all believe but this comment has showed in CHINA BBS long time ago I have seen.
Do you think the govenment are so stupid that will allowed photos of living Wanghai was promulgated in public?
By logical, if you have seen mig-29 crached in airshow and two pilots all live, even at such low altitude, the J-8II never explode at once, why the pilot haven't lived? The J-8II just fly by P-3 slowly and slowly that speed is far slow than fighter crached in airshow, which rate of pilot alive will be more high?
someone whose relationship work for military factory said that many technology kj-2000 used are benefied to that accident.
To be seriously I have no more details about that, but I believe some posts said in China military discussion board by logical analysis myself.

There may have been a lot that was gained by that piracy, but there's a lot that was lost because the crew destroyed it, and a lot that is easily changed. Frequency hopping can be changed with a five minute upgrade that changes how often it changes, or what frequencies it uses. Many of the things that were gained have already been changed.

The pilot didn't die?

Do you hvae the link where you got this information from ? I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what some of your points are.

PS. You can be sure that the US would have expected a situation like this to happen - so most of the sensitive inforamtion and equipment would have been destroyed fairly quickly, such as the use of burn bags.

Originally posted by emile

Originally posted by FredT
Do you have a link or something for the pilot thing?

the pilot called 王海 (Wanghai) who are still alive in China was said of some fans in china we all believe but this comment has showed in CHINA BBS long time ago I have seen.
Do you think the govenment are so stupid that will allowed photos of living Wanghai was promulgated in public?
By logical, if you have seen mig-29 crached in airshow and two pilots all live, even at such low altitude, the J-8II never explode at once, why the pilot haven't lived? The J-8II just fly by P-3 slowly and slowly that speed is far slow than fighter crached in airshow, which rate of pilot alive will be more high?

someone whose relationship work for military factory said that many technology kj-2000 used are benefied to that accident.

To be seriously I have no more details about that, but I believe some posts said in China military discussion board by logical analysis myself.

Well.. right off the top, ejecting over open sea immediately reduces reduces the survivability of the ejected pilot.
Secondly, maybe he didn't eject at all..
Maybe he ejected and the parachute didnt open..
maybe he couldn't get clear of the parachute on splashdown and unfortuanately it pulled him down/prevented him from resurfacing.
Maybe his ejection wasn't "clean" (topgun 'goose') and he suffered fatal injuries on ejection..
Maybe he was unconscious on splashdown..
You can't compare this ejection with any one that you've seen on TV..

Originally posted by MadGreebo
Bastard Chinese Goverment....

... Maybe you should check who has done the most damage?..

We bring you peace... Then take your money

If the pilot story is true, then I hope Spec Ops takes care of it.

On another note, the information gained from the pirated P-3 is not significant. Most vital data was destroyed before it even hit the water.

The U.S. plans for these type of scenarios... No need to worry.

The pilot didn't die? You have no proof, no evidence, NOTHING to even show remotely this statement has any truth behind it at all? How the hell can you even say something like that without at all even showing any shred of evidence. I can just as easily say President Bush lied to Congress to invade Iraq. Oops... Bad example... Well, I can just as easily say some bs like Hitler is still alive and mind-controlling the president... It is trully unbelievable that some ppl here actually take this BS as fact without any evidence whatsover... Unbelievable. Is the hatred here against China so deep?

Originally posted by MadGreebo
It makes me mad when I see just how much the Chinese have really screwed the world in the last 50 years...

Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Borneo, Tibet, and the list goes on....

HAH, you've got to be kiddin me right? Vietnam? Did you know that it was internationally agreed that after two years, the North and Suth Vietnam would stage a vote for the Vietnamese ppl to choose their own government and reunite, but the U.S. repeatedly blocked this when the time arrived? Did you know the "Tonkin Incident" (which led Congress to suppot the war against Vietnam) was falsified and that the Sec. of Defense at that time lied to the American public to invade Vietnam?

You've got to be joking... let's see how much the United States screwed up the world in the last 50 years...

Now THAT makes me mad Madgreebo...

[edit on 21-2-2006 by k4rupt]

Originally posted by omega1
If the pilot story is true, then I hope Spec Ops takes care of it.

What do you mean?. assasinate him

On another note, the information gained from the pirated P-3 is not significant.

Why would that information be useful to china anyway. America was spying on china. And it was not the information that would be useful but the capabilities of the plane

What purpose would assasinating that pilot serve anyways??
Infact if he were alive then exposing that very fact would be more beneficial to the US..

Was that directed at me?.

Originally posted by chinawhite
Why would that information be useful to china anyway. America was spying on china.

Kind of obvious isn't it It's useful because the Chinese would hvae no idea what the plane was snooping on. With a few fragments of information they could at least find a tiny piece of the puzzle.

And it was not the information that would be useful but the capabilities of the plane

Many of those capabilities would have been destroyed, before the plane landed. There are procedures in place to limit any utility a foreign country coulf get from a US spy plane.
Many of the capabilites would have been from the computers and software being used, which of course weould have been destroyed.

Originally posted by chinawhite
Was that directed at me?.

No.. at the guy who wanted spec ops to dod the 'needful'

I expect a commie copy of the P3 to be available for export to middle eastern countries any day now.

Originally posted by rogue1
Kind of obvious isn't it

It's useful because the Chinese would hvae no idea what the plane was snooping on.

And it is quite obvious what they were spying on in 2001. With the new buzz about chinas carrier killers. No brainer there when you send your destroyer south the americans followed.

In 2000 america was told by russia about the capabilities of the Sovremenny Class being low and having weak air defence and anti-ship versions and having nothing more speical then the ones in russian servie. eg. new radars and anti-ship missiles.

THe americans being americans wanted to know what was the capability of the missiles and the chinese not wanting them to know put heavy guard to stop them from getting near it like and finding out things like radio frequency or radar frequency in case of the a war in the taiwan strait after 1996 after the taiwan strait crisis

Many of those capabilities would have been destroyed, before the plane landed. There are procedures in place to limit any utility a foreign country coulf get from a US spy plane.

With what. A explosion?

Im sure theres many plans, But when you were on a "routine" "information" "gathering" "mission" and you hit a chinese aircraft and then need to land on their airstrip panick jumps in.

One example is Gary powers. One considers their life. like a heavyly damage probaly veering side to side then put in "prepared" scenarios or emergency plans

Originally posted by chinawhite
And it is quite obvious what they were spying on in 2001. With the new buzz about chinas carrier killers. No brainer there when you send your destroyer south the americans followed.

In 2000 america was told by russia about the capabilities of the Sovremenny Class being low and having weak air defence and anti-ship versions and having nothing more speical then the ones in russian servie. eg. new radars and anti-ship missiles.

THe americans being americans wanted to know what was the capability of the missiles and the chinese not wanting them to know put heavy guard to stop them from getting near it like and finding out things like radio frequency or radar frequency in case of the a war in the taiwan strait after 1996 after the taiwan strait crisis.

Completely wrong The EP-3 flight was one of 200 conducted that year off the Chinese coast, it had nothing to do with you Sovremenny destroyer. It was an ELINT mission monitoring electronic emissions from the Chinese mainland
Just look at the flightpath of the EP-3 it was travelling along the coast for hundreds of miles, it wasn't tracking a destroyer, lol.

With what. A explosion?

Duh, didgital discs would be wiped then physically destroyed, computers could be destroyed usng thermite. There are scores of ways, very simple mided of you thinking that an explosive is the only way

Im sure theres many plans, But when you were on a "routine" "information" "gathering" "mission" and you hit a chinese aircraft and then need to land on their airstrip panick jumps in.

LMAO, it's widely known Wang Wei was responsible for hitting the American plane, they have footage from previous mission of him flying dangerously close, one in which he was showing an EP-3 crew a piece of paper with his email, lol. He was in a fighter plane, which in case you didn't know is far more amneuverable than a lumbering EP-3. He was either a cowboy or an incredibly bad pilot, ehich one is it

One example is Gary powers. One considers their life. like a heavyly damage probaly veering side to side then put in "prepared" scenarios or emergency plans

Care to rephrase that into an understandable sentence ?

[edit on 22-2-2006 by rogue1]

Originally posted by rogue1
Completely wrong

The EP-3 flight was one of 200 conducted that year off the Chinese coast, it had nothing to do with you Sovremenny destroyer. It was an ELINT mission monitoring electronic emissions from the Chinese mainland

200 flights?. Where did you pull this out of

Maybe a quick search on google you should be able to find what ELINT aircraft do. And somehow the flights where conducted during the first visit of the Sovremenny to the south where its radar and Anti-aircraft abilites can be acessed.

And please show me the flight path of the EP-3. Because it is widely known why the EP-3 was in the region or was it for the local scenery. And in 2001 it was a little outpost. Now after that event it has now become the main chinese communication and sateillite base. What other reason could they have of putting their new EP-3E in the region.

It was within 140km of chinas border


THat is well with-in chinas border. This was a illegal action. Anything like that in the cold war and you could have seen more than just 2 fighters. How much time were the russians sent back away from american carriers. Why can america do this and get away with it

Duh, didgital discs would be wiped then physically destroyed, computers could be destroyed usng thermite.

And do you realise how much computers how much dightal disk on a EP-3?. You think you can destroy them or even try to when your aircraft is damaged. You think you can mange that or would you be strapped in hoping you'll see you family again.

Its so easy for you to say what you think they can do but in practice its much different. You couldn't prepare for your pilot from crashing into a chinese fighter. Have you seen the interior and how the computers are organized and positioned. No way you could take it apart and get the senitive information with screwdrivers and burn or whatever you wanted to do with it.

As far as we know the EP-3 didn't land with any damaged equipment and that was one of the reasons why america wanted the fighters back so much

LMAO, it's widely known Wang Wei was responsible for hitting the American plane, they have footage from previous mission of him flying dangerously close, one in which he was showing an EP-3 crew a piece of paper with his email.

According to who?. Would it make sense for the chinese pilot which has full vision and risk his life just raming his plane into the EP-3 propellors or the american pilot which couldn't see where the fighter was and just turned to get a better view?. Logic tells me that the american was at fault

And please tell me why a fighter which is a lot smaller would intentionally ram into a much much larger aircraft. And being flown by a pilot which was known for his quick manuvers. According to some US reports the EP-3 was banking towards the J-8 when it happened. That explains the out of the blue veering

The only footage they have is the one where he crashed. thats the one where he flashed his e-mail

You can download it here

You can see yourself how close he was and was about 1~3 meters from the propellors. ANY turn from the EP-3 out of the blue could have knocked it out which it did. It was under the wing.

Heres a pictures of the propellor


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Looks like they smashed it into something. ANd no way it could have been caused by a landing because if it touched the ground it would have stopped in on direction. Im thinking it must have cliped his cockpit or his tail then stalled and broke