Paul McCartney died in 1966 - replaced by Billy Shepherd

Originally posted by poet1b

I know The Kinks.

Would you be able to ask any of them what they make of this story?

I'm guessing they might be in a better position to give an opinion than most.

reply to post by berenike


No, just typing the words and remembered the song. I meant, I know that song is by The Kinks, not the Beatles.

A side note though, considering how many drugs all the rock stars were doing in those days, it would have made pulling off the ruse a great deal easier.

I do think getting the rock stars all hooked on drugs, and promoting the whole party till you puke ideology was done on purpose to squash the youth movement at the time.

[edit on 1-6-2009 by poet1b]

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Bxgger - I was hoping for a fresh angle

I think the substance abuse could explain a lot of things. Helping to pull off the ruse as you suggest, or it could be the reason behind some of the erratic behaviour, changes in musical style, hairiness and fashion sense.

Lets hope this thread continues, it's an interesting exchange of ideas and information.

Photographs capture unique identifying features & are used to identify people, that is why they are on passports & other ID. Paul McCartney's face is not the same post 1966. It is simply not the same person. It is merely a lookalike being represented as the real deal.

Maybe if people can see that Paul was replaced, they will start to understand one more tactic that the Illuminati uses against us. They count on the masses not being very observant & thinking it "couldn't be possible." Well, it is obviously possible... We've been played.

Paul 1966 v. Faul 1967



Paul 1964 v. Faul ~ 1983



Paul 1964 v. Faul in 1970's



BTW, substance abuse could be used to explain un-Paul-like behavior - as a cover. I know people have even tried to use it to explain the physical changes. I'm not really sure how substance abuse could make someone's nose grow longer or change the color of their eyes...


[edit on 1-6-2009 by faulconandsnowjob]

I had an idea for an experiment, but I don't know if you'd have the resources to do it.

I was thinking about the way we all might have been 'conditioned' to see Faul as Paul and our own 'laziness' when looking at familiar things. After all, if you saw a picture of all 4 Beatles and had no reason to suspect one of them was a double you'd just take it that everything was ok. With so many photos of them around you'd expect them to look a little different in each one.

So what you'd need are people who have never heard of or seen the Beatles, I'd suggest small children.

Get some pictures of Paul, Faul and a few other random celebrities, say between 6 and 12 of each person and mix them up. Then invite the kids to put the pictures into piles, one for each celebrity.

It would be interesting to see how many unbiased people put Paul and Faul into the same (or separate) pile.

Not conclusive proof, of course - just interesting.




[edit on 1-6-2009 by berenike]

That's a good point about asking kids who are unbiased & haven't been conditioned to see them as the same. Several people have asked kids or people who aren't very familiar w/ the Beatles, such as foreigners, and those people are quick to spot the difference. Here are a couple of examples:

From sonikdave at www.davidicke.com...:

I have shown my wife faul/paul pictures and she knows nothing about mccartney didn't even recognize him in the pictures, but I asked if it was the same guy with about 5 photos and each time she could distinctively pick out which one was faul and which was paul.

From hugolast at www.davidicke.com...:

I asked my girlfriends 12 year old sister if they were the same man and she just laughed and went "no you stupid idiot" and carried on playing with her ipod like i was the fool for saying they were the same - the exact opposite of how we are told things are.....unbiased mind you see....

Going back to voice analysis, sunsoflight posted this at www.davidicke.com...:

[T]he voice technology is present though not to the general public. United Airlines Flight 93 was an example of this with the cell phone call from Mark Brigham to his mother which is not normally the way one speaks to a parent or any close relative for that matter. Here is the transcript of the infamous call.

Caller: "Mom? This is Mark Brigham."
Caller: "I want you to know that I love you. I'm on a flight from Newark to San Francisco and there are three guys who have taken over the plane and they say they have a bomb."
Alice: "Who are these guys?
Caller: (after a pause) "You believe me, don't you?
Caller: "Yes, Mark. I believe you. But who are these guys?

Take into consideration how far advanced the U.S. military is compared to the mainstream technology of today, estimated 20-40 years as a good reasonable guess. With advanced algorithmic voice recognition and today's powerful computers, it is just a matter of programming detailed nuances of a voice using synthesis to allow a person to say anything and have it coming out so well not even your mother could tell it is not your voice over the telephone. The only key would be to have enough recordings of the individual to complete the voice profile.

That might throw a wrench in the works as far as voice analysis goes...





[edit on 2-6-2009 by faulconandsnowjob]

Originally posted by cindymars
This is my favorite and most humorous of all conspiracies.
First time I read it I could not stop laughing. But hey, I am not saying it is not possible.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by cindymars]

How is it funny? There is more evidence for this than pretty much 90% of other conspiracies.......It's easy to laugh when you never take the time to look through all the evidence and clues.....


The simple minded easy way out is to just laugh it off so you don't have to deal with it.

I'm not saying I know for a fact they are 2 different people but you come across as very arrogant.......if not ignorant....


At least post the reasons this made you laugh or some counter evidence..........

Your post was useless.

Originally posted by Wally Hope
reply to post by faulconandsnowjob

 

This is just getting sillier. Eye color can look different under different light, and especially in photographs taken years apart. Eye color changes with age also usually from dark to light.

My eye color goes from green to grey to blue depending on the light and my mood.

I suggest you take a different person and do the same research and I think you'll find, according to your logic, everyone has died and been replaced.

Give it up man you have no argument here, Paul is the same Paul, and no I'm not a fan so don't go there.

Certain emotions can change both the pupil size and the iris color. That's why some people say their eyes change colors when they're angry or loving.

Eye color also can change with age. This happens in 10 to 15 percent of the Caucasian population (people who generally have lighter eye colors). For instance, my once very brown eyes are now hazel, a combination of brown and green. However, some hazel eyes actually get darker with age.

www.allaboutvision.com...

Thats because you have hazel eyes....Mine do the same.....Mainly they are green....some days they are more blue and some days they are more grey..........


The evidence the above poster posted is pretty good......Can you prove eye color changes with age, because everyone I know has the same color eyes they always have....

I know hair color can change but i'm not sure ab out eye.

Originally posted by Wally Hope
reply to post by faulconandsnowjob

 

Again you are clutching at straws.

The angle a photo is taken can easily make people look taller or shorter.

You need to study other people to have a better idea of how small minute differences you are pointing out can be possible.

If it wasn't Paul it would be obvious.

But I guess you don't care as you are ignoring my posts you want to believe it's not Paul for some reason.

Can you prove that if it wasn't paul, it would be obvious ??????

That is just your opinion that you are pushing as fact.........

You too are clutching at straws...

I think the one with the two different pictures of Paul holding the bass really makes it look like two different men. Clearly the bass is much bigger in proportion to the size of the individual in one picture, verses the other, even though the length of the bass shows that they should look the same size.

This explains why the Beatles never again played live on a stage where comparisons could easily be made. Had the band again played on a conventional stage, with Paul and John standing near each othera difference in height would be too obvious. I watched the footage from the roof top concert, which mainly shows the angle from Paul's side. I didn't see one shot from the front where a height comparison would be easy to make. Paul has an extensive of a beard as a man could possibly grow, that is pitch black. Paul looks taller than John by a few inches, even on the few shots that are taken from John's side.

Paul seems to be excited to be playing, and trying to enjoy himself but the rest of the band seems to have this melancholy look, and John rarely looks at Paul. There is a look by John that seems to suggest that he wants to be enjoying himself, but he can't.

www.veoh.com...

Paul's eyes were brown up until mid 1966. Then they changed to green in 1967 (clear to see in SFF video). If it's supposed to be age-related, bear in mind Paul would have been 25. Anyway, I've heard other people make that argument that eye color somehow changes w/ age. I don't buy it. I think it has more to do w/ Faul wearing brown contracts sometimes & sometimes not. When he doesn't, you can see that his eyes were green. And yes, I know that color contacts 1st came on the market in the early 1980's. However, I know that this sort of thing will be available to other people long before it's available to the avg consumer.

Just a good replica...



Since some people seem to be having trouble believing that such a ruse could take place, I'd like to give some examples of other doubles, such as Saddam Hussein & Kim Jong Il.

This is from my own research, so I apologize that all the references aren't provided. However, it should be easy enough to find & verify by doing an internet search.

Saddam Hussein

..Intelligence officials long suspected that Hussein used doubles -- an idea reinforced when a forensic pathologist examined hundreds of archived photographs and video stills. Dr. Dieter Buhmann of Homberg University in Saarland determined that there were at least three Saddam Hussein lookalikes in rotation, making public appearances, firing rifles, smoking cigars, waving and strutting. (The doubles rarely speak, because Hussein has an inimitable lisp.)

Iraqi dissidents have told stories of impostor Husseins in the past -- of recruitment schemes and plastic surgery, of training in mannerisms, strides and tics. The differences can seem remarkably subtle. In some instances, Dr. Buhmann suggested, the face of the doppelgänger was just a hair too wide. In others, the area under the mouth was just a bit too small and too low...

JOHN PERKINS: ... And in Iraq we tried to implement the same policy that was so successful in Saudi Arabia, but Saddam Hussein didn’t buy. When the economic hit men fail in this scenario, the next step is what we call the jackals. Jackals are C.I.A.-sanctioned people that come in and try to foment a coup or revolution. If that doesn’t work, they perform assassinations. or try to. In the case of Iraq, they weren’t able to get through to Saddam Hussein b/c he had doubles. They couldn’t get through to him. ..." (Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions)

Saddam's Wife (of 25 years), angrily said the Prisoner was NOT Saddam, but one of his doubles

Sajida Heiralla Tuffah:
"Sajida arrived from Syria with her official escort ..., and then entered the prison, emerging only moments later pink with rage and shouting, "This is not my husband but his double. Where is my husband? Take me to my husband."

American officials rushed forward to shield Mrs Saddam from perplexed Russian observers, trying to insist that Saddam had changed a lot while in custody and she probably didn't recognise him. This was certainly not the best way to handle the Iraqi President's wife. "You think I do not know my husband?" Sajida shouted furiously, "I was married to the man for more than twenty-five years!" Then she stormed off, never to return."

Saddam's Mistress said the Prisoner was NOT Saddam, but one of his doubles

Parisoula Lampsos, who says she was Saddam's mistress over a period of nearly 30 years, told U.S. officials and ABCNEWS that the man who appeared on TV was not Saddam. She said the real Saddam has an unusual tattoo: two dots on his left hand that he received in prison years ago. But his eyes are the real giveaway, she said.

Saddam had even, pristine teeth, the Saddam double's teeth were uneven and ragged

Here's a thread w/ photos & cites:
doppels.proboards.com...


[edit on 2-6-2009 by faulconandsnowjob]

Kim Jong-il

Waseda University (Tokyo) professor, Toshimitsu Shigemura, writes in book entitled “The True Character of Kim Jong Il,” that Kim Jong Il died in the fall of 2003 and was replaced by a lookalike.

Shigemura’s sources say that Kim’s diabetes took a turn for the worse early in 2000. From then until his supposed death in 2003 he was confined to a wheelchair. A series of stand-ins have since taken his place at official state events.

The second Kim-Koizumi (Japanese Prime Minister) summit, in 2004, lasted all of 90 minutes. Scheduled meetings with other foreign dignitaries were abruptly canceled. Kim’s retreat from the public eye was almost total. State television in October 2003 showed him touring a collective farm, but mention of the date of the visit was conspicuously absent.

Kim’s family, meanwhile, was in a state of upheaval. His wife died—of breast cancer, said official reports; assassinated, according to persistent rumors. His favorite sister, a high-ranking Communist Party official, suddenly moved to Paris. Her husband lost his post.

In the spring of 2006, says Shigemura, American spy satellites succeeded in photographing Kim. An analysis of the photographs led to an astonishing conclusion: Kim had grown 2.5 cm!

“Recently,” Shigemura proceeds, “someone who was in contact with a Kim family member told me he heard the family member say, ‘There’s been a promise not to decide on Kim’s successor so long as the current shogun is alive.’” “‘Shogun’ was Kim’s nickname,” Shigemura explains “If Kim were alive, the family member would simply have said, ‘the shogun’—not ‘the current shogun.’ The stress on ‘current’ seems to suggest that the person in question is someone other than Kim Jong Il.”

Shukan Gendai asks a government official who helped plan Koizumi’s Pyongyang visits what he thinks of all this. His reply: “Rumors of a dummy Kim began circulating after the summit. Some of us said we should have Kim’s voice prints analyzed. But if we did that and proved the prime minister had been conferring with a double, it could have destroyed the Koizumi administration. So we didn’t proceed.”

A North Korean agent told Shigemura in 1995 that he had met one of Kim's doubles - there have been as many as four - and that he used them to stand in at outside ceremonies because he was fearful of a coup. After Kim's death, a group of four very senior officials in the regime decided to protect their own positions by making the stand-in more permanent.

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob
Here is a comparison of Paul on the 1966 "Butcher album" & Faul in the 1970's.

His eyebrows are different and so is his chin and nostrils.....

Good find..

Originally posted by chissler
So did Paul or Billy have the talent?

This really is hands down the most ridiculous conspiracy theory that exists. The notion that planes didn't actually hit the towers on 9/11 is more feasible than this.

People grow, they change. They lose weight, they gain weight. Millions of variables that are introduced in our day to day life can account for physical change. I've listened to almost every single Beatles song at least a hundred times a piece, if not more. And the voice singing "Love Me Do" or "Twist & Shout" in the early 60's is the same voice that was singing "Hey Jude" in the 70's and the same voice that tours today.

If this conspiracy is true, I just paid to go see Billy Shepherd in concert on July 11th. And that doesn't excite me nearly as much as the thought of seeing Paul McCartney.

But a possible reason Billy was chosen was that he sounded similar to paul enough where he could tweak his voice a bit and sing like him...

He would also have to have been a very talented musician too.....The others learned a lot from paul and then taught some of that to Billy.....

Also......What happened to Billy shephard then????? Are there any pics of him before all this and what happened to his existance after all this occured.......Did they have to fake Billy's death too or he just " move away"


It's funny how he was Billy Pepper.....Then this incident happened and then they release Sgt. Peppers lonely Hearts club band.....


Billy is now Sgt.Pepper and the John, George and Ringo are the lonely hearts because they lost their friend....


Does this make sense to anyone else?

Originally posted by Wally Hope

Originally posted by Fuggle
I think the most damning evidence, the one that really sheds the light on it is that the Real Paul played a Hofner bass. Faul used (and uses) a Rickenbacker.

OK that was a joke my bad, but I'll leave the rest of this cause I think it's funny...

I suppose John and George must have been replaced also because they also started using different guitars after they stopped touring, including Gibsons, Gretch, Fenders, Epiphones (before Gibson owned them).

Ringo got a new drum kit with an extra tom tom also, the old Ringo only need one.

So I guess we must have Tom, Faul, Beorge, and Bingo, the fabless four eh?

[edit on 30-5-2009 by Wally Hope]

That's the best you could come up with???? Some people actually take this thread seriously.

[edit on 2-6-2009 by LucidDreamer85]

Originally posted by chissler

Originally posted by SednaSon
Many of the pics are from August 1966 compared to December of 1966 where the differences of aging cannot show up that quickly. And it can't be weight gain or weight loss because his body looks generally the same in terms of leanness. There are too many differences in the bone structure of the face to discount. Why not take an open mind on this?

Oh I have an open-mind. And I'm not new to this theory. I just don't believe it. If someone can present something beyond what's been said here or previously uncovered, I'm fully prepared to reconsider my position and argue for a refund on my ticket. But as it stands, with what's been presented thus far, I've come to the conclusion that the theory is baseless.

Originally posted by SednaSon
Btw, John sang on "Twist and Shout" not Paul.

Indeed, but Paul's voice was still in the song. Well, it's overshadowed by the screams of teenage girls.. but if you listen close enough you can hear it.

 

 

Of those who believe this theory to be valid, do you believe that John and the rest of the Beatles were informed? If so, why would they perpetuate the lie and shame their dear friend in such a way of showing no respect to his passing. And if not, are we to actually believe that these people who spent every waking moment with him did not notice a difference?

It's not believable that every note, every chord, every move, every inside joke, etc. would have been a seamless transition.

It is more believable that the guys knew than didn't know. But I don't see any way that those guys, John especially, would have allowed Paul to pass on and have an impostor carry on in his place.

John was too damn stubborn to buy into something like that. And if he did, in a drunken stupor that he found himself in on a daily basis, it would have slipped to somebody.

Thoughts?

Your assuming an awful lot about John Lennon ... Did you know him personally to know he would do or say these things???

You seem like you know him or something... hmmm

The Illuminati really count on people thinking this sort of thing wouldn't be possible. To get past that mental block, a couple more examples.

Howard Hughes

Aristotle Onassis infiltrated his own men into Hugh’s organization. In 1955, Hughes had obtained two doubles, one named L. Wayne Rector and the other Brooks Randie. In March, 1957 Onassis’ men at the Beverly Hills Hotel captured Howard Hughs using Hughs’ own disloyal men. Hughs was seriously hurt in the kidnapping. He may have been taken to Emerald Isle Hotel in the Bahamas. For a month, the captive Hughs was shot full of heroin, and then secretly transported to a cell on Onassis’ private island of Skorpios. Hughs’ two doubles stayed on under the pay of Onassis. One became Hughs, and the other became Hughs’ double. Computer programs which can duplicate signatures were used to provide Hugh’s signature. The computer and its program used for duplicating Hughs’ signature even became public knowledge when the Los Angeles Times had an article on 1/28/71 about a computer which had been programmed to write the signature of Hughes.....The date given for the actual Howard Hugh’s death, who had been kept prisoner under horrendous conditions by Onassis, was Apr. 18, 1971. In the previous year 1970, Hugh’s purported autobiography had come out written by Clifford Irving. Clifford Irving’s wife took the publisher’s check made out to Howard Hugh’s to one of Onassis’s Swiss banks, and was paid [Springmeier/Wheeler]

I also think the use of doubles is strongly implicated in the case of Lee Harvey Oswald. I posted earlier about the use of patsies. LHO even said he was one. Mysteriously, he was carrying an ID that said "Alex Hiddell" on it, which he did not have an explanation for. More information & pics at:
doppels.proboards.com...

Are there any pics of him before all this and what happened to his existance after all this occured

Yes. There are some pics of Bill (or whatever his name is) on a trip to Kenya w/ Mal Evans in mid-November 1966.




These images are from footage recovered from Mal Evans' private collection after his death in 1976. The song, "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill" from the White Album (1968,) may have been about this trip.


[edit on 2-6-2009 by faulconandsnowjob]