Paul McCartney died in 1966 - replaced by Billy Shepherd

So I am at an impass on direction with the eyes. It down right rediculous to even attempt to pretend, in which i was doing but screw it ..

Ringo's eye's are Blue which was going to compare with Paul/Faul

We have paul: Brown Eye's













Faul's Green:













Theres no dam need to bother anymore, its pointless ...

As for the Hazel(Whatever) turning to green conspiracy end.. It's BS. I have yet to find any images/shots of people actually showing this ever occurs.

Originally posted by kshaund
The Italian forensics was awesome - translation a little difficult but totally understandable and is the most credible "opinion" on the issue yet....

Yes, I found it interesting.

LEGAL DOCTOR: GABRIELLA CARLESI Legal doctor, is born the 7 opens them of 1958 to From Liguria Novi, in 1985 the bachelor in Medicine and Surgery near the University of the Studies of Genoa and in the 2000 she is specialized in Legal Medicine and of the Assurances near the University of the Studies of Pavia with a thesis on the identification of the victims of the disaster of traforo of the Mount the White man. From 1997 to 2004 it has carried out settoria medicolegale activity, in quality of External Specialist, for Medicine the Legal Department of the University of Pavia with detail activity of odontologica and anthropological identification. It has participated as adviser in of identification matter by means of elaboration types them of images to: Narducci case, connected to the “Monster of Florence ter”, for the Procura of Perugina (from 2002); Commission Parliamentarian of inquiry on the died causes of of Ilaria the Alps and Mirab Hrovatin (2004-2005-2006); Commission Parliamentarian of inquiry “Mitrokhin” (2005-2006); Medicolegale study, carried out in collaboration with the Prof. Pierucci University of Pavia, on the died lesions and causes of of Benito Mussolini and Claretta Petacci (2006, contribution to the television transmissions “Sphere” and “Atlantis” of the issuing “La7”).

Source (translated with babelfish).

Seems a reasonably qualified forensic scientist.

Originally posted by pmexplorer

Wow, what an over-reaction!

Not all Kiwis are staunch as rugby heads. Wasn't much of an overreaction to be honest.

Originally posted by pmexplorerI haven't insulted anyone mate. I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are. I have stated my reasons (not that I should ever need to) more than once for refuting these silly allegations.

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. Sometimes when people voice their opinions strongly they forget about courtesy. This is a shame and obfuscates what otherwise could be healthy debate, using the evidence at hand.

Originally posted by pmexplorerApart from calling this whole hoax nonsense, which it is as Sir Paul McCartney is very much alive as we all know (except Faulcon and a few others here Like yourself who are in denial)

Obviously, though, there are people who see that something could quite possibly be up and want to get to the bottom of it because it's piqued their interest.

As I've stated before, I am uncertain; but I am curious enough to want to find out if there is any weight. So far,for me,there have been some good presentations. Sure, some information appears to be pure bunk and clutching at straws (there are many stories of the methods, confusions obscures?) but other information is compelling.

Originally posted by pmexplorer''If you don't like it, don't post'' - if people like me didn't post there would be no debate, this forum would be full of people like Faulcon who blindly believe in such theories despite there being little or no evidence
to support said claim unless you count unreliable edited photographs and dodgy youtube videos collated by other ''PiD'' 'experts' trying to make a name for themselves on the internet and sucker in the gullible of this world.

Yes, o.k. that was a bit much, but think about the timbre of your posts and I'll try to think about mine as well. Then we can discuss the evidence, not each others' mental capablities.

There has been more evidence presented than just that, such as the forensic work undertaken by the Italian Doctors. That, for a start appears promising

Originally posted by pmexplorer
So it's okay for Faulcon and co. to completely ignore my posts in which I have posted information which refutes her and others Sir Paul conspiracy beliefs yet when I take her to task and debunk the nonsense she continually posts (repetitively I might add,)you have a problem with that?

I would like to think that all questions were answered. They're not though, are they?

Originally posted by pmexplorerAnyone with a bit of cop on like myself or Wally Hope who also saw through this poorly contructed theory is immediately branded the enemy and diregarded as being delusional or lacking in in intelligence for not having the sense to believe that Illuminati etc are responsible for the whole lot.

Personally I don't know enough about the Illuminati to have much opinion on that. I just look at what I perceive to be clues.

Originally posted by Wally Hope
I'm wondering why the mods haven't close this spam laden thread.

Probably because it's quite interesting and the majority of the spam is from people trying to discount this theory?

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob
Significant scene from AHDN:

Hmmm...something about the manipulation of the masses using products as "commodoties of cool", engaging in the society of the spectacle to use the mob mentality as an agent of social change (and distraction) for the use and abuse of the 'overlords' ?



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Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob
Significant scene from AHDN:

Hmmm...something about the manipulation of the masses using products as "commodoties of cool", engaging in the society of the spectacle to use the mob mentality as an agent of social change (and distraction) for the use and abuse of the 'overlords' ?

Yep. Plus, the celebrities are completely dehumanized & disposable.

Hey,

Thought i'd jump in here. Couldn't read through all of this post. it's huge!

My comment is this.

I was a MaCartney fan when all of this first came down. the Beatles were immense.

From a songwriters perspective.

How did the man go from

"Breathe it in. Breath it out. Take a sad song and make it better. Don't carry the world upon your shoulders. Something about a fool makes the world a little colder." --Hey Jude

to

"Bip Bop Bip Bop Bam. Take me hair and curlers. Treat me like a man. treat me like a good boy. treat me like a man." off of first wings album

oh well, guess that's one of those silly love songs Lennon didn't appreciate.

BAH! Me either

When the Beatles were the Beatles, McCartney was my favorite. without question it's Lennon now.

What a shift change. All ya need is love to "Live and Let Die"?

It's like McCarntney went from Supercool to a dribbling Wimp.

Sorry, to those of you that like the silly love songs, but even the earlier Beatles love songs were cool.

To clarify - I have never posted on any Paul is Dead or Paul is alive website (in response to the comment about all us other posters 'must be' this)

I personally find this thread refreshing compared to all the other conspiracies out there - I've researched them for over 40 years - for me it's a break from the 'really' bad stuff

Re Illuminati - Unless one is willing to accept the possibility that there is an Illuminati and they have a global agenda of which The Beatles were part of compliments of the Tavistock Institute, then there is no discussion around this issue, since it would be "because" of the Illuminati's plan that it mattered if he'd gotten himself killed or otherwise disabled prematurely - if they needed "The Beatles" as a foursome to finish "their" program for indoctrinating us with the music then they do what they need to do as they've had the technology for well over half a century, probably even longer than that.

What about his family going along with it? Well, ultimately we're all supposing they actually grew up the way and with whom they said they did.... Uh oh, another aspect coming in.... could their family history also be lies? Well if they're families, friends, etc. not part of the lie, they're part of the cover up - one way or another they get you if you're wanted... they always do.

I have never seriously considered the rumor true because Paul's always been here - now that I've stopped by this thread and I'm forty years along, I can see it from a different perspective. Replaced? Could be - especially with the forensics provided by the Italian scientists - whose opinions do matter greatly as that's their job - and to simply dismiss this as rubbish speaks volumes for how closed/brainwashed people can be.

On another note - today I happened to run into an acquaintance who has done his own Illuminati/NWO/Monsanto/H1N1/bloodlines, etc. research as I have (though we just met last year) so we can start a conversation from the top and get right to the core of the subject - we stopped for tea together and after updating each other on things like the Corporation of Canada and the Corporation of the United States (everyone knows they're a corporation and not a government, right???? - that we have an oligarchy and not a democracy, right????

So I said to this friend, "On a lighter conspiracy, do you remember the Paul is dead rumors? He says, Yes, 1966, he was replaced. What about it? I blinked and said, so you believe it happened? Oh yeah! And, he says, recently a friends 11 year old daughter was yakking to him about the Beatles and he went through the years with her being very careful to not say a word about the Paul is dead stuff - and when he showed her pictures post 1966 she said ' That's not Paul McCartney! '

This totally reminded me of a post way back that said children seem to be able to pick this up immediately -

I still have a lot of trouble seeing the physical differences other than eye color, nose and height, but so does a kazillion other people... and just cuz I can't see it doesn't make it 'untrue'.

Stranger things truly have happened... and are happening if people would look beyond their noses.

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I was/am a huge Beatles fan - and I honestly haven't liked any of Wings songs... I never paid much attention to why, just didn't take to them and was kind of amazed they were so popular.

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob

I'd be happy to do a hermeneutical interpretive analysis of that scene from AHDN, but Wally is going to have to ask nicely. Say pretty please lol

Can I ask nicely? Would be very interesting - What I got from that short clip was the makers telling the makees what they will be wearing (ugly shirts) and when it will happen (like checking his calendar to see if they're too early for something?)

I don't get too wrapped up in dialogue, but whoever wrote that scene (been decades since I saw the film), was very tongue in cheek about it all - and gave the impression "it's" (Illuminati agenda) is bigger than it's parts (musicians) every time.

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An uncanny number of rock music superstars will emerge from Laurel Canyon beginning in the mid-1960s and carrying through the decade of the 1970s. The first to drop an album will be The Byrds, whose biggest star will prove to be David Crosby. The band’s debut effort, “Mr. Tambourine Man,” will be released on the Summer Solstice of 1965. It will quickly be followed by releases from the John Phillips-led Mamas and the Papas (“If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears,” January 1966), Love with Arthur Lee (“Love,” May 1966), Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention (“Freak Out,” June 1966), Buffalo Springfield, featuring Stephen Stills and Neil Young (“Buffalo Springfield,” October 1966), and The Doors (“The Doors,” January 1967).

One of the earliest on the Laurel Canyon/Sunset Strip scene is Jim Morrison, the enigmatic lead singer of The Doors. Jim will quickly become one of the most iconic, controversial, critically acclaimed, and influential figures to take up residence in Laurel Canyon. Curiously enough though, the self-proclaimed “Lizard King” has another claim to fame as well, albeit one that none of his numerous chroniclers will feel is of much relevance to his career and possible untimely death: he is the son, as it turns out, of the aforementioned Admiral George Stephen Morrison.

And so it is that, even while the father is actively conspiring to fabricate an incident that will be used to massively accelerate an illegal war, the son is positioning himself to become an icon of the ‘hippie’/anti-war crowd. Nothing unusual about that, I suppose. It is, you know, a small world and all that. And it is not as if Jim Morrison’s story is in any way unique.

Source Illuminatti News

Maybe a little off of the McCartney subject at hand, but there is some evidence here that the military industrial complex and the rock music explosion are intertwined.

Don't know if anyones posted this yet, but how in the world did all of this come together from people who nearly all were related somehow to the military industrial complex?

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Exactly! There's a LOT more stuff on the rock and roll "agenda", the beats used, the decibels used, the subliminal brainwashing that's worked so well while we tap our toes to songs we never really know the lyrics too or what the lyric really means. I've heard it referred to as witch language - it all works to keep us busy outside our selves, lured into the rock and roll lifestyle (been there and done that more times than I can remember) - music affects our entire system and we have no idea what's been happening to our 'systems' over decades except we see rises in many new diseases, especially neurological ones. Families falling apart from drugs and alcoholism - add some battering in there and we have an average family nowadays - everyone has skeletons it seems (alcoholic, pedophile, drug user, beater in their immediate past or family) - because we're innately bad? No, I believe we're innately a blank slate and programmed from birth into whatever culture we're in. The results are before your eyes and ears.

The Story of TWO Paul (Janus)McCartneys

Janus is the Roman god known as the custodian of the universe. He is the god of beginnings and the guardian of gates and doors. He is lord over the first hour of every day, the first day of the month and January, the first month of the year. Two heads back to back represent Janus, each looking in opposite directions. His double-faced head appears on many Roman coins. Originally, one face was bearded and one was not, most likely representing the sun and the moon. In his right hand he holds a key. He was worshipped at the beginning of planting time, harvest, marriages, births and other important beginnings in a person’s life.

McCartneys Twin Freaks album cover in links below; or, click on source for the whole article. Lots of interesting stuff at stargods.org and the "occult" Beatles. Other places on the site tie in the Beatles with Manson, Sharon Tate, Roman Polanski, Aliester Crowley and Kenneth Anger.





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Originally posted by ogbert
From a songwriters perspective.

How did the man go from

Thanks, Ogbert. That's a very valid point. I'm not a musician, but I know what I like. I love Paul's songs, & not Faul's.

Originally posted by ogbert
McCartneys Twin Freaks album cover in links below; or, click on source for the

Oh for goodness sake.
Try reading through the thread, that's been discussed and debunked
already.

I see the last few pages have seen the thread move off topic and focus
on trying to keep the non-believers like myself in their place as much as actually bothering to try and answer the questions posed OR
to debate the links which I and the likes of Wally have posted which refute
the likes of Faulcon's 'evidence'.

It is getting more and more ridiculous in here.

Someone posting about Pauls music with Wings and so forth as if that were some kind of clue or indication of anything. God almighty the mentality is truly frightening.
Another above sharing how a child said that's not 'Paul McCartney' after seeing a picture or something.
Next we'll have a medium on here telling us he/she has spoken to Paul
beyond the grave and how everything about this theory is for real!

And as for this Italian report, well if it's so bona fide and stands up to
scrutiny, why isn't it being reported elsewhere or taken anyways seriously

Why haven't other, more reputable media sources started asking questions?
I mean there was a concerted push for 9/11 truth, so surely people wouldn't be afraid of asking whether or not they were lied to about one of their musical heroes right??

Let me answer my own question,....because as Penn & Teller might say
it's complete and utter Bull***t!


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Originally posted by kshaund
Re Illuminati - Unless one is willing to accept the possibility that there is an Illuminati and they have a global agenda of which The Beatles were part of compliments of the Tavistock Institute...

True. Unless you have this piece of the puzzle, it's hard to see how PID fits into it all. And why it matters. Yes, this is about "just a rockstar," but it has much broader implications.

What about his family going along with it? Well, ultimately we're all supposing they actually grew up the way and with whom they said they did....

Yeah, I've wondered about that, too. George Harrison once said 98% of what was written about the the Beatles wasn't true. Well, that doesn't leave a whole lot left over. What CAN you believe?

Could be - especially with the forensics provided by the Italian scientists - whose opinions do matter greatly as that's their job - and to simply dismiss this as rubbish speaks volumes for how closed/brainwashed people can be.

Especially considering that they actually set out to debunk PID.

everyone knows they're a corporation and not a government, right???? - that we have an oligarchy and not a democracy, right????

Yes.

So I said to this friend, "On a lighter conspiracy, do you remember the Paul is dead rumors? He says, Yes, 1966, he was replaced. What about it? I blinked and said, so you believe it happened? Oh yeah! And, he says, recently a friends 11 year old daughter was yakking to him about the Beatles and he went through the years with her being very careful to not say a word about the Paul is dead stuff - and when he showed her pictures post 1966 she said ' That's not Paul McCartney! '

Unbiased minds can see it. So can girls, btw, simply b/c Faul did not have "it," but anyway. That is so cool that your friend knew.

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I would appreciate it if you would again restate your question(s) that you say have been ignored and/or unanswered. I thought they were answered (not being sarcastic here)?

We've never mentioned mediums - I only recited a recent opinion of an eleven year old girl.

Also, I would be interested in hearing why the Italian forensic scientists report has no credibility? (Which to me supercedes opinions from all sides).

Originally posted by ogbert

An uncanny number of rock music superstars will emerge from Laurel Canyon beginning in the mid-1960s and carrying through the decade of the 1970s...

Maybe a little off of the McCartney subject at hand, but there is some evidence here that the military industrial complex and the rock music explosion are intertwined...

This is not off-topic at all & very relevant, actually. I've posted the link to
Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation by Dave McGowan
davesweb.cnchost.com...

He sheds a lot of light on how infiltrated w/ Illuminati, military & spooks the entertainment industry was & is. A lot of those "stars" seem to have been manufactured. Some had talent, definitely, but they seem to have been placed in their "rockstar" positions. Jim Morrison is an excellent example.

This is kind of interesting:

...The potential TV series was entitled J.O.N.A.S., an acronym which stood for "Junior Operatives Networking As Spies". In the show, the band played concerts as a cover while working as government secret agents to save the world. At the same time, they tried to hide their double lives from their mother and Frankie.[10] ... She described the concept as, "like The Monkees and a little of bit of Mr. & Mrs. Smith. There's going to be fun action sequences and still be a sitcom."[12]...

en.wikipedia.org...(TV_series)

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Originally posted by kshaund

Exactly! There's a LOT more stuff on the rock and roll "agenda", the beats used, the decibels used, the subliminal brainwashing that's worked so well while we tap our toes to songs we never really know the lyrics too or what the lyric really means.

That is so true.

The repeating sound pattern induces the hypnotic state of mind that is similar to day dreaming, thus clearing the mind of all thought so that the message can be implanted in the unconscious without resistance. " It is important to note that the lyrics of many rock songs are not clearly distinguishable consciously. When you do not hear the message clearly, you cannot make the conscious choice to accept or reject it. When you cannot make that choice or when that choice is taken away from you, the message is programmed directly to the subconscious, thus circumventing analysis and choice in accepting the content of the message.

Sixties rock superstar Jimi Hendrix said: ‘You can hypnotize people with music, and when you get them at their weakest point, you can preach into their subconscious whatever you want to say.’

The Illuminati Formula: Chapter 8 The Science of Body Manipulation and Programming

www.whale.to...

I've heard it referred to as witch language - it all works to keep us busy outside our selves, lured into the rock and roll lifestyle (been there and done that more times than I can remember) - music affects our entire system and we have no idea what's been happening to our 'systems' over decades except we see rises in many new diseases, especially neurological ones...

Music will definitely have an effect on the body. Have you seen Dr. Emoto's work w/ water crystals & music? www.life-enthusiast.com...

Originally posted by ogbert
... Manson, Sharon Tate, Roman Polanski, Aliester Crowley and Kenneth Anger.

Crowley was British intell, supposedly.

Secret Agent 666 - Aleister Crowley, British Intelligence And The Occult
www.rense.com...

Some have also linked Manson to intell. Polanski is a little sketchy, too. Not sure about Anger...

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well, i did mention that i just jumped in above. i did search google though with the keywords site:abovetopsecret.com stargods.org mccartney and no hits. my bad.

This thread repeats itself too often and has become a quagmire. How to you debunk an assumption? We know it's an assumption about the Janus thing and then the bearded Paul in RAM. There is some duplicity, which can not always be explained by left brain thinking.

Symbology means different things to different people. Some people see a soup can as a beautiful piece of art. I see a soup can. It's a nice soup can, but show me an untrained artist with some soul that shines through--now that's art to me.

McCartney after Beatles just does not connect with me. I saw him on the "Paul is Live" tour. Barely, anyone would get out of their seats. Same year the Stones couldn't keep anyone seated.

Originally posted by kshaund

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob

I'd be happy to do a hermeneutical interpretive analysis of that scene from AHDN, but Wally is going to have to ask nicely. Say pretty please lol

Can I ask nicely?

Yes. For you, my pleasure :-) I have to give AorAki a shout out for a v good reading of it (see post above).



"Simon, will this do?" - they look him over like he's a prize calf, not a person.
George is dehumanized. He's not a "he," He's an object - a thing.

They tell him to "come off it" - assuming he's putting on a show for them. They realize he's not, & are surprised he's a "natural."
Blonde says she told them not to send "Real ones." The man says, "the phonies are much easier to handle."
This is a continuation of the dehumanization & fakeness of celebrities. They don't want real people w/ real thoughts or opinions. They want plastic puppets they can control.

Then they want George to give "his" opinion on clothes, which means the opinion they give him. They tell him he will "really like them." He expresses his own opinion about them (they're dead grotty). The man threatens him saying that he will be nothing unless he wears those shirts - he has to look to consumer goods for his identity & self-worth. Interesting that he says the shirts were designed to be ugly - but people will want them, anyway, b/c they'll be convinced they need them to fit in. It seems like some kind of mind games they're playing w/ people, getting them to want ugly things. lol

When George rebels against this manipulation & deceit, they threaten him w/ replacement. Celebrities/spokespeople are disposable - just objects to be exploited. When George says he doesn't care if he's replaced, they tell him the "new thing" is to care passionately & be right-winged. These ideologies seem to be rather plastic & flexible. People's ideologies depend on what is "in" or the "new thing" - no doubt influenced by these slick commodity pushers.

Then at the end, Susan is shown to be just as disposable as the other commodities. She will not have her contract renewed - even though everything she says, presumably, has been what they told her to say.

This scene really makes me think of Bill Hicks on marketing:





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Thank you - there was a lot of 'little' lines in that clip quickly - but yeah, anything needed to keep the plan on schedule according to.....?

But I seem to recall that movie is a classic for teaching film making and often studied in film courses/schools. If you're more familiar with the movie (as I don't recall it much at all) - is the entire movie filled with nuances about control? Is very clever writing. Are there scenes from that movie that clearly show Paul's height?