Israel Bombs Syria

Its kicked off then, this is big, Arrafat will prolly go aswell
I wonder if this has anything to do with Russia puffin its chest out? this is gonna be intresting...

news.bbc.co.uk...

Hey yeah I just read that # right now as well, I was like "whoa wtf!" Israel was also talking about Iran too. Some very crazy # going on now, and I'm interested in seeing what will happen next.

Has anyone even bothered to read on why this attack in Syria occurred?
"Israel strikes at Palestinian training camp on Syrian soil"
Link:
www.haaretz.com...

Excerpt:
"Israeli warplanes attacked a training camp used by
a number of anti-Israeli and Islamic militant
groups on the Syria-Lebanon border on Sunday, in
retaliation for a suicide bombing that killed 19
people in Israel.

A senior aide to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said that Israel could launch new attacks on Syria if Damascus continues to shelter terrorist organizations.

In a statement reporting the
raid, the Israel Defense Forces
said air forces carried out the attack "deep inside
Syrian territory."

The IDF statement said "the army has started
operating against those behind the attack,
those who support (terror) and those who use
the strategy of terror in order to harm
citizens of Israel."

Syria said on Sunday the Israeli airstrike had
targeted a civilian site near Damascus in a
"grave escalation" of tensions in the Middle
East.

In a letter to the United Nations seen by
Reuters, Foreign Minister Farouq al-Shara said
Syria was capable of deterring Israel but would
exercise restraint over the raid. He also
called for an immediate Security Council
session to discuss the Israeli action......"

(Israel said Sunday its warplanes attacked a training camp allegedly used by Islamic Jihad and Hamas, some 50 kilometers from Damascus)

"Israeli air attacks in Syria hit refugee area: expert"
Link:
www.ptd.net...


Article on yesterdays incident in Israel:
"Suicide bomber kills 19 at Israeli restaurant"
Link:
worldnetdaily.com...


As to the plans of Israel and Iran...there is a thread on this already....something to the extent that Israel is considering a pre-emptive strike to take out Iran's nuke capabilities....kind of like when they (Israel) did against Iraq many years ago.

There is also a thread on Syria working to develop and already has WMD......and its harboring and giving "safe-haven" to terrorist organizations........ITs\'s also been mentioned that Syria may also be the location of some of Saddam's WMD......

Situation went something like this:
1. Female homicide bomber kills 17 in Haifa.
2. Islamic Jihad claims credit.
3. Damascus: "Syria denies support for Islamic Jihad".
4. Islamic Jihad denies they operate training bases in Syria.
5. Israel attacks Islamic Jihad training base in Syria, seven miles from downtown Damascus.

And, as par, with the ever-occurring situation over there......Damascus will now turn to diplomatic channel in response to the raid, including a request for the UN Security Council to condemn Israel!

I recall this current US administration saying:
"" We've sent a message that is understood throughout the world: if you harbor a terrorist, if you support a terrorist, if you feed a terrorist, you're just as guilty as the terrorists..."

George W. Bush
August 26, 2003"


As for Arafat.......
"Activists form shield around Arafat as Israel warns clock is ticking"
Link:
www.ptd.net...




regards
seekerof

Hmmm......
Seems I wasn't to far off on this assessment:
"And, as par, with the ever-occurring situation over there......Damascus will now turn to diplomatic channel in response to the raid, including a request for the UN Security Council to condemn Israel!"

Found this at link:
www.haaretz.com...

Excerpt:
"13:56 Syria calls for emergency meeting of UN Security Council after Israeli planes hit training camp near Damascus"..........
16:53 Arab League representatives and secretary-general Amr Moussa to meet Sunday to discuss Israeli strike in Syria
16:28 In letter to UN, Syrian FM Farouq Shara says Damascus capable of deterring Israel, but would exercise restraint."



regards
seekerof

Nice work seekerof. Several months ago, I'm thinking June, I read several articles about an ex-Israeli intelligence officer who spoke at a security conference and pledged that Iraq's WMDs had been covertly moved to Syria and would be "found" prior to the US election. I don't have the link but I read it in several places.

This strike in Syria is interestingly timed. Not only does it defer media attention from Treasongate, it inches the U.S. closer to intervention into Syria, and with some luck run into Iraq's WMDs...? Lieberman coming out against Syria, no suprise there.

kukla....good to see you again..been awhile...
Yes, I agree...especially since I posted this two nights ago:

"Kay revealed a scientist has come forward with a report of the WMD being shipped out of Iraq into Syria......Iran.....and Jordan before the war started."

Best I can say here is that sure it did!
"Therefore, any war against terrorism must target Hezbollah. We believe the administration should demand that Iran and Syria immediately cease all military, financial, and political support for Hezbollah and its operations. Should Iran and Syria refuse to comply, the administration should consider appropriate measures of retaliation against these known state sponsors of terrorism.--PNAC letter to President Bush 9/20/01
Link:
www.newamericancentury.org...

Geez, those WMD sure do move around alot, don't they? Interestingly, it coincides with where ever the PNAC thinks this nation of states should be involved next. Be assurd they (WMD) won't be found in Saudi Arabia, I mean *cough, cough*...they are an "ally."


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 5-10-2003 by Seekerof]

"Israel strikes at Palestinian training camp on Syrian soil"

and you link to haaretz nice

Hey Teflon........
This news on is multiple news sites....left wing and right wing.....you take your choice. Reminds me of history, in general, its biased. I would think your fingers work as well as mine!


regards
seekerof

At what point these WMDs were at Jordan?



Did you know that Jordan is a US ally?

Having F-16s, Cobras.. etc..

Also Jordan does operations with Israel.. including recovers Israeli drones from Syria.. (or trys to..)



The "Lost" Drone

On the early morning on one of the last days in April 2002, an UAV of unknown type ? but belonging to the Israeli Defense Force/Air Force (IDF/AF) ? crossed the Syrian border after a short flight through the Jordanian airspace. Syrian radars already tracked the aircraft for quite some time, and once it entered the Syrian airspace, the local air defense command of the Syrian Arab Republic Air Force/Air Defense Force (SyAAF/ADF) brought a decision to scramble an interceptor and destroy the intruder. Only minutes later, one MiG-23S of the SyAAF/ADF was vectored towards the UAV: the pilot used the good acceleration of his mount to close rapidly, then managed to properly acquire the target and destroy it using a single air-to-air missile while the UAV was underway near the southern Syrian city of as-Suwayda, and only some 100km north of Amman, Jordan.

Interestingly, while this was going on, the Syrian air defenses were also tracking several Royal Jordanian Air Force helicopters, which were apparently monitoring the Israeli UAV and then did some moves, which indicated that they were interested in its recovery - even from a site beyond the Syrian border! However, due to a swift deployment of one Mi-8 helicopter, the Syrian recovery team was so fast in place the Jordanians never got a chance: the destroyed Israeli UAV was captured and taken away for inspection.

It is reported, that since this loss, the IDF/AF has stopped all of its reconnaissance missions around, over, and beyond the Syrian borders, and so the years-long shadow-boxing between the Israeli Air Force and the SyAAF came to an abrupt end.

From -> www.acig.org...

seekerof,

Many distractions these days. Hope all is well..

I missed your Kay post. That would make sense, why hide all your eggs in one nest? Saudia Arabia is the LAST place the U.S. will go looking for WMDs.

The intelligence I was refering to, collaborated the hypothesis that Sadaam's fall was orchestrated with the U.S. and WMDs would be found in Syria after US intervention or pre-emption. A hypothesis I have a hard time swallowing but shouldn't be totally dismissed.

Neveretheless, the strike in Syria could be the thrid phase of PNAC's Pax Americana. And now the U.N. is calling an unofficial closed door session..

As per kukla's last post.......
"Security Council to discuss Israeli bombing of terror training camp"
Link:
www.haaretzdaily.com...

Excerpt:

"The UN Security Council has scheduled an unoffocial
closed-door meeting for Sunday evening to discuss
an Israeli airstrike earlier in the day on targets
deep inside Syria.

Israel has requested that any meeting on the matter be
postponed until after the Yom Kippur holiday, which began at sundown Sunday and ends Monday
evening.

Israeli warplanes attacked a training camp used by a number of anti-Israeli and Islamic

militant groups on the Syria-Lebanon border on
Sunday, in retaliation for a suicide bombing
that killed 19 people in Israel."


regards
seekerof

Syria's UN ambassador is speaking right now to the UN (on CNN no less), and I have to agree with most of his points.

"Flagrant act of aggression". "Violation of international law". "Continuation of Israel's violations of multiple UN Resolutions".

I have yet to see one person provide any proof that this was a terrorist camp (all the linked articles so far have featured info from "Israeli military sources", Raanan Gissin, adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and other Israeli "sources").

You'd figure Israel would be SURE, and have irrefutable proof if they were going to launch a missile attack onto the sovereign land of one of their neighbors, who frankly doesn't like them too much. But nope. They didn't even give Washington a heads-up.

Nice friends to have. Especially with tens of thousands of US troops on the ground in Iraq, exposed.

This is a clearly a provocation.

And while they're at it, they threaten Iran. Oi.


jakomo



[Edited on 5-10-2003 by Jakomo]

Originally posted by Jakomo
I have yet to see one person provide any proof that this was a terrorist camp (all the linked articles so far have featured info from "Israeli military sources", Raanan Gissin, adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and other Israeli "sources").

You're the first person who suggested it wasn't. Do you care to explain your reasoning?

does that mean they cannot lie about their actions...
did not the 12 sons of israel lie about joseph being in a pit...
in the end the father ultimately wins...
that does not excuse the death of millions of individuals...
yet, supposedly israel knows best...
what happened to your soul, would you not question weather or not innocents wee injured in such an attack...

and the iraqi war is no better on the side of collateral damage done to its inhabitants...

Seekerof, why should the 'war on terror' only target Islamic extremists, do you hate only Islamic extremists?

You guys get so carried away with the crappy media coverage that you seem to be forgetting that the world is filled with terrorist groups. Al-Qaeda are strong in Africa and the far east, so why do you want to concentrate on the countries you accuse of harbouring terrorists in the middle east, I understand these countries are of concern to Israel. It seems Israel always gets what she wants.

Israel couldn't give a toss about international law 'they will have to live with our decisions'.

The problem here is the old age one of hypocrisy, one rule for me and another for you.

Have yoiu Americans ever heard of Pakistan, well if there was a real war against terrorism, Pakistan would be the place to start. I know several people from Pakistan and it is clear that the militants there are untouchable, while also a threat to regional stability.

And what of Saudi Arabia, oh, I almost forget Saudi Arabia are America's allies. As are Pakistan in fact.

And Syria, well the amount of military equipment sold to Syria by Britain makes the Syrian situation clear.

War On Terror = A complete joke to make money and let Israel do what the fvck they want without international condemnation.

Originally posted by Jakomo
Syria's UN ambassador is speaking right now to the UN (on CNN no less), and I have to agree with most of his points.

"Flagrant act of aggression". "Violation of international law". "Continuation of Israel's violations of multiple UN Resolutions".

I have yet to see one person provide any proof that this was a terrorist camp (all the linked articles so far have featured info from "Israeli military sources", Raanan Gissin, adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and other Israeli "sources").

You'd figure Israel would be SURE, and have irrefutable proof if they were going to launch a missile attack onto the sovereign land of one of their neighbors, who frankly doesn't like them too much. But nope. They didn't even give Washington a heads-up.

Nice friends to have. Especially with tens of thousands of US troops on the ground in Iraq, exposed.

This is a clearly a provocation.

And while they're at it, they threaten Iran. Oi.


jakomo



[Edited on 5-10-2003 by Jakomo]

What, do you turn on the TV set when it is convenient to blame the Israelis? That was provocation? What do you call it when Syria continuously supports, finances and trains terrorists that kill women and children?

Israel doesn't try and sell the world on a damned thing as the world is against her, and always has been. If their intelligence says its a training camp, you may bet the farm that it is a training camp.

Gee, I never hear any tears hitting the floor when Israeli families are blown up while eating out, or when gunmen enter a Jewish household and mow down innocent children, but let Israel target their enemy's military and terrorist targets, cover your ears, the screams are defeaning!

Hypocrits.

Well if Syria does have WMD then I guess peace will be here soon, because if they don't blow up Israel then Israel will probably get some WMD (as if they don't have them already) and use them.

Thus killing off everybody in the Middle East.
The only problem then will be, who will the USA and UK sell all their weapons to?

Downing street has called the Israeli raid in Syria 'unacceptable'.

news.bbc.co.uk...

"Syria and Israel are long-standing enemies, still technically at war over Israel's occupation and illegal annexation of the Golan Heights.

Israel said the target of the air raid was the Ein Saheb training camp, 22 kilometres (14 miles) outside Damascus, which it said was used by several militant Palestinian groups, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Syrian media have described Ein Saheb as a Palestinian refugee camp."

[Edited on 5-10-2003 by Jakomo]

What, do you turn on the TV set when it is convenient to blame the Israelis? That was provocation? What do you call it when Syria continuously supports, finances and trains terrorists that kill women and children?

Israel doesn't try and sell the world on a damned thing as the world is against her, and always has been. If their intelligence says its a training camp, you may bet the farm that it is a training camp.

Gee, I never hear any tears hitting the floor when Israeli families are blown up while eating out, or when gunmen enter a Jewish household and mow down innocent children, but let Israel target their enemy's military and terrorist targets, cover your ears, the screams are defeaning!

Hypocrits.

Thats the same idea that everyone I know thinks of. I don't know how people can sit there and go "the PLO isn't a terrorist organization" If you kill innocent people to cause fear (Terror) in the heart of civies....then dammit, you are a terrorist. Why the hell do we get the right wing bleeding heart liberals who claim it is not the Israelis land and we should give it back to the Palastiniens. If the Israelis bought it from the Arabs, then they can live there. Do some research...you will see that the Israelis bought that land and they deserve to be left alone. And the land that they took after their little war...they won that because they were the attacked!

That Syria or any other country supports terrorism?.
That Saddam was a terrorist,had chemical weapons etc.?
That war in Iraq was necessary?.
That anything here in this world is right or wrong?.
That would be the media and the government!,you get your information directly from the liars in charge.
I see this whole thing somewhat differently,some would say my ideas of reality are "twisted",since they go against what most people believe to be the truth.
I see a country with a powerful military force and weapons attacking a,what exactly is it they're attacking?,I know those they attack are basically unarmed in comparison to Israel though.......
I see a country that uses the media to gain support for what they do by trying to get to people on an emotional level by reporting all of the dead babies and children which are caught in the carnage.
This is all the classic politically motivated maneuvering,just like 9/11,all the unfortunate victims......Rage,intellectual bypass by striking key emotional responses.
It's a bunch of horse#,the palestinians are no more guilty than the jews,the jews have an unfair advantage militarily.
There will be a response by the Syrians or palestinians,you know that,it will be in a few days or weeks,these attacks are not the same as the rich Israelis because these peoples are dirt poor,there will be a delay and it will be looked at as an attack that was unwarranted,when it was in return for something that the Israelis did.
I wonder how the Israelis would react if the palestinians actually could effectively defend themselves?,you think the story would be somewhat different?,say maybe the palestinians had some aircraft like the Israeli's do,compatrable in effectiveness,you think they would be so quick to murder then?if the enemy would fight back and cause massive damage,you think the Israeli's would stop bulldozing houses and shooting kids?.
Both factions are way out of line.
And I hear it coming around the bend,"Anti-semite!",that is the response to ANYONE who may disagree with how the jews do business anywhwere,it completely hazes over the issue,everyone sez,remember the holocaust,fine!,I remember it!,it's long past,stop harping on it already and stop acting like the ones responsible for it.
Israel needs a "regime change",by fighting they prove that they have lost their faith in God.