Where is the Alien technology?

Guys,
We've heard about the goings - on in Area 51 and other sites where it is alleged that 'alien technologies' have been incorporated in the stealth aircraft like the F-117, B2, F-22 and so on.
I don't see any mindboggling or earth shaking technology in these aircraft which would be the case if there was any reverse engineered technology of 'alien craft' incorporated into them. Stealth tech, which these aircraft boast of, is not new and even India has got it in its next gen indegenous aircraft, set to take to the skies shortly and its new naval stealth ships.
These aircraft can't levitate (anti grav), can't disappear (visual cloaking), can't hover, can't go much over a couple of thousand miles per hour etc.
So where's this so called 'alien technology' that some say we've been experimenting with since the late forties?
So I think this whole question of experimenting with so called alien technologies is rubbish. And even if we had something like it, it has not been possible to reverse engineer or replicate these technologies.

secret moon base.

Either that, or the extensive use of silicon based electronic componets.

tech like that only comes when other countries bring it out. American Or canadian a like we are not chiness or european so having or knowing sites like this only in a different language does make sence. They probably talk about what they got and what they think we have... Its just a matter of time not every county is going to say *hey we found an alien ship we can make flying cars" "anyone wana buy one?"

If you really take a good look at our current technology, there really isn't a lot that that hasn't been with us for a very long time. All of our weaponry, with the exception of nuclear, is based on principles that were worked out in the 19th century and most everything we have today is just refinements. Aircraft have been flying around since before WWI and jet propulsion and rocket propulsion were in the works before WWII ended. Even the foundation for atomic weaponry and energy, which is just a complicated way to boil water, was defined as early as Einsteins work of 1905 or so. Speed of light weaponry is said to be around the corner, but as yet it is not in general usage. For many, the best pistol in the world is the Browning M-1911.

Frankly, we are not all that much more advanced than our great-grandfathers. Maybe that's about to change:

"Our nation is on the threshold of new energy technology that I think will startle the American people," Bush said. "We're on the edge of some amazing breakthroughs — breakthroughs all aimed at enhancing our national security and our economic security and the quality of life of the folks who live here in the United States."

news.yahoo.com

[edit on 2006/2/20 by GradyPhilpott]

Arn't resistors supposed to be derived from alien technology? I think I read that somewhere a long time ago, on how odd that we went from vaccuum tubes to BAM, little itty bitty resistors...

Originally posted by soothsayer
Arn't resistors supposed to be derived from alien technology? I think I read that somewhere a long time ago, on how odd that we went from vaccuum tubes to BAM, little itty bitty resistors...

Here are the guys who deserve the credit for the transistor.

www.bellsystemmemorial.com

Click to enlarge.

[edit on 2006/2/20 by GradyPhilpott]

Maybe planes like TR-3B and TAW-50...?? Those plane are amazing.. esp. TAW-50.. a antigravity space-fighter. IT IS A KILLER.. FIGHTER if it exist

Stealth technology was deveoloped around the time of WWII and works on quite simple principles. If anythin i would have to agree with an earlier poster about the extensive use of silicon components. Not so much the transistor like the one above with three "legs" but the ones that are created for micro-processors. The way those are created is mind bogling and hard to see how it was deveolped without any intervention from something with a higher intelligence thsn ours.

so the transitor tech was derived from space aliens?


how so ?

It wasn't, transistor tech was discovered thanks to some very intelligent and hard working humans, it has nothing to do with aliens and it's kind of offensive to those guys that worked on it to assume it was some reverse engineering of alien tech.

can i get some alien tech up in here?



give me fuel give me fire give me..... ah whatever.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Here are the guys who deserve the credit for the transistor.

This is an interesting question, and throws up a great story. Are transistors alien tech?

[UPDATE NOTE: Even thought Scientists had suspected that we could replace outmoded Vacuum Tubes with some more advanced, low voltage technology, it was rather sudden that the Transistor was announced to have been "invented" in December of 1947 by Bell Labs, alleging a two year prior research project. The implications: Bell Labs had more capabilities in those two years, than the combined research potential of all the Countries of the World? People who never suspected the capability: Thomas Edison, Emilio Marconi, General David Sarnoff, Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Arthur W. Heath, Enrico Fermi, Louis Farraday - the greatest minds in the prior two hundred years since Ben Franklin and his kite, and not one ever even SUSPECTED that ordinary Sand could be turned into something so magical.]

[For these and other reasons, the suggestion that Bell Labs did this ALL BY ITSELF in less than two years, does not at this time seem all that believable. Recent articles produced by MOTOROLA CORPORATION to rebut this, appear, in fact, to do just the opposite: the articles PROVE no Transistors or even hint of the Transistor, existed prior to December of 1947, and describe enormous differences between research prior to September of 1947 and after June of 1948. Motorola, an AT&T remarketer, claims that they have PROOF it wasn't Aliens, yet, the PROOF has been short of reality. Could this be more of the fundamental deception to hide the Transistor's true origins: that it came to Bell Labs on board a unique space-craft that traveled through billions of miles of empty space, perhaps even violating the Theory of Relativity to travel here beyond Light Speed, from a star system like Zeta Retuli, or Cassiopeia, in order to visit Humanity in July of 1947? And what kind of a welcome did we give these Travelers, do you suppose, if so?]

[Ed update: The Transistor's Public Announcement during the Summer of 1948, was antedated by several private announcements internally at Bell Labs and to research partnerships with the National Defense Research Counsel and other organizations. These announcements took the form of a "peer inquiry" in September of 1947, which is believed to have been an effort by Bell Labs to assess if other research organizations had received "transistor" examples from the US Military and might be engaged in parallel research, and in December of 1947, when the first effort to transfer the identified operation of what may have been an Alien Transistor in verbal form to the Legal department of Bell LAbs by scientists involved in the commercialization effort. At that time, the Lawyers commenced what appeared to be a Patent Search, and a lateral search in and among a network of legal practitioners working for other research outfits, all a part of the standard operating procedure of the Bell System and its "Labs". As part of the project to bring a plausible "background" into focus, some of these preliminary announcements allegedly put false information into circulation to create a "bridge" between actual research, and the recently organized effort to "cloak" the transistor "reverse engineering" research. Could we all be looking at the Historical "fingerprints" of a project to cloak the capture of Alien Technology? ]

[Our research has recently produced one possible technical explanation for why it may be so important - the significant difference between Human discovered Diodes and the possibly Alien provided Transistors. It is inexplicable how, if they were related, and discovered by Humanity, that even after two world wars, and the advent of the Modern Era, no one ever thought to look at the results that William Shockley reported: led him to discover the Transistor - despite the fact that he was allegedly performing a text book, academic exercise in voltage measurement. Rectifier Diodes commonly in use at the time by military electronics, were 'polarized' diodes that could only conduct power in 'one direction' - or 'unidirectional' - but they were not 'semiconducting' - which means 'variable in conductivity due to the effects of some other stimulus'. They were also composed of naturally occurring, although somewhat rare-earth minerals. Transistors were derived of a special and unique formula for doping refined Silicon with trace elements of Arsenic and other 'secret' materials, which THEN yielded the unusual 'semiconducting' properties of the Transistor -- our conclusion: the two devices are very, very different and that difference - despite the fact that early researchers may have tried to reproduce Alien Technology with Germanium, Gallium and Gelenium, is still significant: the focus is really on HOW A TRANSISTOR DOES WHAT IT DOES. ]

[It is remarkable to think that someone STUMBLED ON IT ALL OF A SUDDEN, as Bell Labs seemed to want the Public to believe! Even Silicon based static rectification devices built prior to September of 1947 DIDN'T EXHIBIT A SINGLE TRANSISTOR CAPABILITY, despite being built by many companies for various power control functions. NOT A SINGLE COMPANY came up with the Transistor in over 200 Years, NOT THE ADVANCED RESEARCH GROUPS of the ARMY, NOT EVEN OUR MOST PROFESSED NATIONAL LABORATORIES AND UNIVERSITIES !! Is this a classic example of a miracle device, unimagined in Human experience, resulting from a few months research into an Alien electronic device, one just advanced enough to lead Bell scientists to such an earthshaking idea? ]

Source.

More about Bell Labs and alien tech:

RUMOR and CONVENTIONAL FOLK LORE have claimed that a UFO crash landed in
Roswell, New Mexico, in September, 1947 near a Nuclear Research Center
maintained by the US Air Force at its airbase in Roswell. Supposedly,
authentic reports of the crash were suddenly covered up by the Air Force --
because the information unwisely released by base PR personnel, might
constitute a threat to national security. Anecdotal reports have since
claimed that Aliens, killed in the wreck, or afterward, were subsequently
autopsied by the Surgeon General's office, and that the Surgeon General
insisted that the autopsy be filmed. Supposedly: their bodies are now being
stored by the US Army.

Much more recently, stories have begun surfacing about what the Army or Air
Force supposedly did with the downed Alien Spacecraft in September and
October of 1947. Nuclear Powered Engines and Advanced Communications and
Computing devices, all of which were a hundred years beyond post-World War II
technology, were taken from the Alien wreck and purportedly made their way to
The Bell System's "Bell Laboratories", then located in Murray Hill, New
Jersey -- it has been alleged. There, they were studied, dissected,
microanalyzed and pieces tested. One piece was supposedly found to have
unique potential, an Alien switching device composed of Silicon and Arsenic,
arranged in a microscopic array much more complicated than even now have been
assembled by Humankind, hundreds of years ahead. It became the priority focus
object of Bell Labs' and The US Department of Defense's analysis and
scientific research.

It was discovered by the researchers, that the unusual electronic
Alien device could act as both a high speed electronic switch and as an
Amplifier. They decided to call it the "Transfer Resistor", because it could
be made to resist or accept power flow at much higher or lower currents than
were applied to it, depending upon unique application of electron flows.
Rumors have been flying in UFO-logy circles that, in 1948 and 1949,
realizing that Aliens might not take lightly to this research, fearing attack
not from the Soviet Union -- but from Aliens of unknown origin -- the U.S.
Government hurriedly erected anti-missile batteries in the surrounding
Watchung Mountains of New Jersey... near Bell Lab's Murray Hills facility, to
protect it from space invasion!! It is not known if this is any indication
that the Department of Defense accidentally shot down the space craft and
feared a reprisal. The alleged Space Defense Anti-missile Batteries, along
the Lookout Mountain Ridge north of Bell Labs, is now abandoned and partly
overbuilt by a regional high school. On the "Lookout Mountain Nike Base"
there were, supposedly, frequent "alien anti-invasion" readiness exercises
and drills throughout the 50's, 60's and the early 70's, notably: their
frequency reportedly increased any time UFO sightings were reported to the US
Air Force -- particularly in the New Jersey flight corridors, or so it has
been alleged !

According to one account: the Alien Silicon "amplifier / switch", evaluated
in October and November of 1947, was discovered to have enormous
implications. The Alien device was allegedly a hundred years beyond the then
simple "junction diodes" commonly in use at the time by military electronics.
Yet it was reportedly determined at the time that simplified versions of the
Alien devices could be manufactured by the effecting of several upgrades to
existing technology. Then President Harry S. Truman ordered the devices
"cloned" and a cover story manufactured. He was supposedly quoted as saying:
"We can't keep so earthshaking a technological advance out of the hands of
mankind. It just isn't right !" -- with classic Harry S. Truman sobriety.

So, according to the story leaked by a reliable source to UFO-logy circles:
in mid-December of 1947, to effect a plausible cover story, the DOD and Bell
Labs purportedly manufactured a series of Press Releases, to whit: that after
a "2 Year Long Extensive Research Effort" --discovery of the Transistor had
"at last" been accomplished, supposedly by clever Bell Labs researchers (Drs.
Shockley, Bardeen and Brattain, at Bell Lab's Electronic Circuits Research
Center, under the aegis of maverick Bell Labs Vice President John "Jack"
Morton). Since that time, The Bell System, and Bell Labs, in the hands of
successor company AT&T and its partly owned subsidiary, Lucent Technologies,
have continued to maintain the "Transistor Story" for all of posterity, while
quietly covering up the real tracks that led the Alien devices to Bell Labs.
UFO-logy sources say, however, that the device in the famous
"transfer resistor test rig" at Bell Labs was, in fact, an
actual piece of the original Alien integrated circuit array of
transistor-like circuit pieces -- found in one of the Alien communication
devices at the Crash Site in Roswell, N.M. It has allegedly been reported
that it took a year or more for Bell Labs to then figure out how to
commercially produce the miracle devices. Reportedly, subsequent technology
obtained over the course of the next 10 years by Bell Labs, from the pieces
of , included the Laser, enhanced solid state circuit components, large
scale switching control systems and high definition imaging devices...

Source.

And a little more:

Reverse-Engineering Roswell UFO Technology

[edit on 3/1/07 by Implosion]

The transister was not just stumbled upon. It was developed just like most other groundbreaking technology. Discoveries followed by a step by step process of development through logical expermentation is how transistors were developed. They were not just stumbled upon all at once.

Here is a link describing advancement in the uses of silicone and the reason bell lab continued research in this area.

www.pbs.org...

Here is a link describeing the development of the transistor.

www.pbs.org...

The integrated circuit was the next logical step in the chain. The first IC was not very impressive by todays standard!! It was 7/16" wide and containing two transistors , modern IC's have over 230 million.


www.pbs.org...

Integrated circuits advanced very fast due to military , space program and public market competition creating the constant desire/will and funding to develope better ones. If you just look at the modern version yes it looks amazingly advanced compared to the old vacuum tube electronics. However when you study the progression over time you can see how it evolved into what it is now.

"What we didn't realize then was that the integrated circuit would reduce the cost of electronic functions by a factor of a million to one, nothing had ever done that for anything before" - Jack Kilby "

in 1961, scientists predicted that no transistor on a chip could ever be smaller than 10 millionths of a meter -- and on a modern Intel Pentium chip they are 100 times smaller than that

www.pbs.org...

The next logical step was the microprocessor.
inventors.about.com...

After that was the amazing yet often overlooked advancements in software and device miniaturization and affordablity. These things have created a whole new age of communication and information/data transfer.



[edit on 4-1-2007 by Heckman]

Keep in mind that the most advanced technology that could have been derived from alien technology is NOT going to be something we see on the news or anything. For military purposes they will an have gone to extreme actions to protect technology and surpress leaks/whistleblowers. Truly if we were given a 1 day tour of the 10 most highly advanced weapons on earth........we'd all probably sh*t our pants. Only my thoughts.

Well Mike if you believe Bob Lazar, he says he worked on the sport model ufo at S4 that was supposedly back engineered.

Ungh. The Transistor is certainly not alien tech... it's actually very basic when you look into how it works.

He originally posted that "resistors" were derrived from alien tech... resistors are nothing but resisting electron movement by restricting movement through not-so-conductive materials.

What we have in computing certainly didnt come from another race. It's all us.

Which means, if we did decipher an alien races technology, we haven't seen a single thing come from it.

I'm in robotics engineering. These technologies you speak of are VERY basic. It's the way you use them in relation to each other that makes them usefull... and considering I do that on a day to day basis, I'm certain that some highly advanced race would look at what we've done and laugh at how simplistic it is.

No, we haven't used alien tech in anything we currently use.

Considering how eager the human race is to out-do itself, I'd be willing to bet we haven't found any alien tech at all... otherwise, someone would have used it to their advantage.

Because I have posted what I believe is an interesting theory, it does not necessarily follow that I believe it to be true. However, as the theory quoted above explicitly contradicts the accepted version of events, I fail to see how simply posting the official version of events again proves anything.

Originally posted by johnsky
Ungh. The Transistor is certainly not alien tech... it's actually very basic when you look into how it works.

Of course it is now. The same way that any 10yo can tell you that the earth is spherical. In early Classical Antiquity, the Earth was generally believed to be flat. 60 years ago, this basic component was completely revolutionary.

Even thought Scientists had suspected that we could replace outmoded Vacuum Tubes with some more advanced, low voltage technology, it was rather sudden that the Transistor was announced to have been "invented" in December of 1947 by Bell Labs, alleging a two year prior research project. The implications: Bell Labs had more capabilities in those two years, than the combined research potential of all the Countries of the World? People who never suspected the capability: Thomas Edison, Emilio Marconi, General David Sarnoff, Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Arthur W. Heath, Enrico Fermi, Louis Farraday

Even Silicon based static rectification devices built prior to September of 1947 DIDN'T EXHIBIT A SINGLE TRANSISTOR CAPABILITY, despite being built by many companies for various power control functions. NOT A SINGLE COMPANY came up with the Transistor in over 200 Years, NOT THE ADVANCED RESEARCH GROUPS of the ARMY, NOT EVEN OUR MOST PROFESSED NATIONAL LABORATORIES AND UNIVERSITIES !! Is this a classic example of a miracle device, unimagined in Human experience

These, IMO, are interesting points.

The Bell System, and Bell Labs, in the hands of
successor company AT&T and its partly owned subsidiary, Lucent Technologies,
have continued to maintain the "Transistor Story" for all of posterity, while
quietly covering up the real tracks that led the Alien devices to Bell Labs.

This, IMO, is not beyond the realms of possibility either. They were completely different times, the means of communication that today we take for granted would look to someone from that time like magic. This is a mere ten years after Orson Welles showed us the power of the media by sending large chunks of the population into conniption fits with his The War of the Worlds broadcast. He showed the powers that be how easy people could be manipulated through simple radio programming. What could they do, with dominion over all the media outlets?

Originally posted by johnsky
Ungh. The Transistor is certainly not alien tech... it's actually very basic when you look into how it works.

He originally posted that "resistors" were derrived from alien tech... resistors are nothing but resisting electron movement by restricting movement through not-so-conductive materials.

What we have in computing certainly didnt come from another race. It's all us.

Which means, if we did decipher an alien races technology, we haven't seen a single thing come from it.

I'm in robotics engineering. These technologies you speak of are VERY basic. It's the way you use them in relation to each other that makes them usefull... and considering I do that on a day to day basis, I'm certain that some highly advanced race would look at what we've done and laugh at how simplistic it is.

No, we haven't used alien tech in anything we currently use.

Considering how eager the human race is to out-do itself, I'd be willing to bet we haven't found any alien tech at all... otherwise, someone would have used it to their advantage.

I tend to believe we had some help. We have made more advances in the past 50 years than all of human history combined.

Even thought Scientists had suspected that we could replace outmoded Vacuum Tubes with some more advanced, low voltage technology, it was rather sudden that the Transistor was announced to have been "invented" in December of 1947 by Bell Labs, alleging a two year prior research project.

Well I disagree. Most scientist of the time stated that the future was in useing the new vacuum tube technology. As I posted earlier , this website www.pbs.org... explains why bell labs in 1939 started along the path to develop technology useing silicone to replace vacuum tubes. If you will notice Russel Ohl's discovery was presented to Walter Brattain the builder of the first transistor. Walter Brattain first used silicone in trying to develop a transistor then decided to try germanium which led to a process of successes and errors useing various materials until a working transistor was created in 1947.

www.pbs.org...

The implications: Bell Labs had more capabilities in those two years, than the combined research potential of all the Countries of the World?

NOT A SINGLE COMPANY came up with the Transistor in over 200 Years, NOT THE ADVANCED RESEARCH GROUPS of the ARMY, NOT EVEN OUR MOST PROFESSED NATIONAL LABORATORIES AND UNIVERSITIES !! Is this a classic example of a miracle device, unimagined in Human experience

Thats what often happends when new discoveries are made by very talented and hard working scientist that are willing to think outside the box!! The same can be said for the Wright Brother's invention of the aeroplane or Nicola Tesla's invention of the AC motor. Both of which were "miracle devices" and doesnt mean that it was possible only because of alien technology.