MSNBC Kills 'beer or two' Line In Cheney Shooting Article

The article was there, then it was not, then it came back changed.

Google archived a snip of it:

Cheney's hunting host lobbied White House
MSNBC - 2 hours ago
... incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said, "but remember not everyone in the party was shooting.". Armstrong ...

Google News Search

Have a look at the article now:

Cheney's hunting host lobbied White House

Not a beer to be found anywhere.

Who has the power to stomp this out?

Oops, wrong thread.

[edit on 14-2-2006 by intrepid]

I love the internet. It's information run riot...it's knowledge-chaos...it's down-right power of the pixel, isn't it?

lol

When I tell the wife "A Beer or two" is usualy 2-3 times that. That being said, this is a great find.

Other then outright censorship, perhaps they could not confirm what she said?

FredT and I are kicking around a possible ATSNN article on this. Here's where we're at so far

headline

Rich Man's Method of Drying Out

Opening paragraph...

When the rest of us working blokes realize we need to dry out a bit we check ourselves into the local detox center and wait the DTs out. But apparently the rich and famous just call MSNBC and request their liquor be removed. Just think of it as a type of editorial soberization process.

LOL!

[edit on 2-14-2006 by Valhall]

Originally posted by Valhall

When the rest of us working blokes realize we need to dry out a bit we check ourselves into the local detox center and wait the DTs out. But apparently the rich and famous just call MSNBC and request their liquor be removed. Just think of it as a type of editorial soberization process.

LOL!

Now that is funny.

If the average joe had an accident like this you can bet the headlines would be screaming, "DRUNK MAN SHOOTS LAWYER!!!!"

I was wondering if alcohol was involved, especially since no law enforcement were allowed to talk to Cheny until the next morning. First thing that popped in my mind when hearing that on the news was he had to sleep it off.

Dollars to donuts he was all kinds of liquored up

Wupy

Dozens of Google searches later I have come up with nothing other than a little more of the clip archived at Google News.

Google News

... Armstrong also told NBC News that she does not believe alcohol was involved ... "There may be a beer or two in there," she said, "but remember not everyone in ...

A slip of the tongue that may have sounded innocent, but was quickly squelched when implications were considered.

Do TPTB have censors sitting ready to stamp out any thought leaks?

Well, honestly, who's going to know the difference? Just a handful of witnesses, that probably aren't going to say a damned thing, and even if they do, who are they going to call? Major media? Exactly, lol.

They probably pull stuff like this all the time, and we can't even tell the difference.

Originally posted by bsbray11
Well, honestly, who's going to know the difference? Just a handful of witnesses, that probably aren't going to say a damned thing, and even if they do, who are they going to call? Major media? Exactly, lol.

They probably pull stuff like this all the time, and we can't even tell the difference.

When the only evidence is what Armstrong "told NBC News" in an archived fragment of a non-existant news article what can anyone do?

Maybe in an offhanded way she was trying to bring up doubt.

I'm sure by now her handlers have advised against any more talk of drinking and shooting.....

[edit on 14-2-2006 by ArchAngel]

Nice catch, Archangel
Where I live, hunting and drinking and hunting accidents usually go hand in hand.
At my house, we discussed the drinking angle and a local radio station had similar questions.

Come on, you hunt birds, they fly UP.
Either Cheney tripped or drinking was innvolved.

This idea has been circulating around here as well.....

And then his PR guys were going on and on about what a gooood, experienced hunter he is......don't they know that causes even more suspicion?? Makes one think, "yeah, when he's not 'likkered up'!"!

( At least she didn't mention the party girls! LOL! )
Sorry, but I just couldn't resist!!

Good find!

I'm also concerned that it may have been late and perhaps dark.

From your link:

Armstrong said the shooting accident happened toward the end of the hunt on Saturday, when it was still sunny but as darkness was encroaching and they were preparing to go inside.

Now, was it sunny or was darkness encroaching? And why even say anything about sun or dark? "toward the end of the hunt on Saturday" would suffice nicely.

Some reports say 5:30, some say 6:30.

This thing stinks to high heaven, to me! Peeeee-Yew!

Come on, you hunt birds, they fly UP.

Today I talked about the incident with someone who has hunted for many years.

Most birds do fly up, but not pheasant like the quail they were hunting.

They fly only when frightened in bursts mixed with running, and only as high as they need to get over objects.

They are not capable of sustained flight.

Great care is required when hunting Pheasant because your line of fire is head level.

I thought you said we were hunting Peasants!

the Kenedy County Sheriff's Office this afternoon issued a press release noting that an "investigation reveals that there was no alcohol, or misconduct involved in the incident." It added that Whittington "collaborated Vice President Cheney's statement," and concluded, "This was no more than a hunting accident."

Continued....

They can't have conflicting stories out there now can they?

What strikes me is how quickly it was covered.

Maybe it would not be wise to put it up on the news page....

Originally posted by Valhall
I love the internet. It's information run riot...it's knowledge-chaos...it's down-right power of the pixel, isn't it?

That is a beautiful quote!

I'm engraving it on something to display on my mantel..

This story gets stranger by the hour.

[edit on 14-2-2006 by loam]

That stuff goes on all the time. As an example I offer an original CNN story titled "New Haitian prime minister chosen: U.S. Marines to start helping police disarm rebels" which began as follows:

"Port-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (CNN) - Gerard Latortue, a former United Nations official and international business consultant, was selected Haiti's new prime minister Tuesday.

"Anne-Marie Issa, a member of the Council of Sages, the seven-member U.S.-backed commission that selected Latortue, made the announcement in a radio interview.

"Latortue will replace Yvon Neptune, who led the government under Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who resigned the presidency February 29 and fled o the Central African Republic. Aristide has since alleged he was kidnapped and forced to leave the country."


Now compare that to the edited version with the title "New Haiti PM 'not picked by U.S.': U.S. Marines to help police disarm population" and with the following opening paragraphs:

"PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (CNN) -- Haiti's new prime minister, Gerard Latortue, says he was not picked by the United States to run the embattled nation.

" 'The United States did not pick me, I did not have any conversation with any official of the U.S. government before being selected,' Latortue told CNN on Wednesday.

"Latortue will replace Yvon Neptune, who led the government under Jean-Bertrand Aristide."

www.underreported.com...

The second version isn't untrue, as there was no need for any US official to have a direct conversation with Latortue before being selected, since it was done indirectly by "the Council of Sages, the seven-member U.S.-backed commission that selected Latortue."

Thomas Jefferson:

"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."




[edit on 14-2-2006 by Paul of Nisbis]

Originally posted by mrwupy

I was wondering if alcohol was involved, especially since no law enforcement were allowed to talk to Cheny until the next morning. First thing that popped in my mind when hearing that on the news was he had to sleep it off.

Me too. The second thing was that, by delaying the story, they managed to skip the Sunday morning new shows. I'm sure we'll all have "moved along" by this Sunday.

I don't get it.
I merely assumed there was a dwinkie-winkie or two (as already stated, that is code for a whole bunch-o-beers).
Where's the big ado about this? What; do they think it might tarnish an image or something?

The way it went down doesn't even leave a shadow of a doubt of what happened... even a skeptical and republican jury would say DICKIE BOY got drunk and shot his buddy on accident and convict him if he was a normal guy. He should thank god he's a VP right now.

Well, good catch Archangel, first off.

It doesn't take much power to tweak something like that. Editors are the gate keepers, and they have a great deal of control not just in regards to what stories get told, but how they get told, and what context their told in.

This seems like an editorial decision at the behest of the administration, or at least in their service in some capacity. If alcohol was involved, that's a factor in determining criminal negligence. Add in the fact that Cheney was hunting illegally, and that's the sort of case a prosecutor would ordinarily pursue, I would think. Drunk poachers aren't exactly in line with the principles of civilized society.

Of course this case won't probably won't amount to anything, because of the identity of the shooter, but we'll see. Basically, I gotta echo the sentiments of the other posters on this thread who have lamented, if Cheney was an ordinary guy he'd be in jail right now, and looking at doing some time. You can't get drunk, go hunting without a permit, shoot your friend in the face, and then expect everything to be cool - it's reckless and dangerous behavior that our society deems criminal. He would be prosecuted, most likely, if he was not the Vice President.

I think this coverup warrants ATSNN coverage, so if you don't want to write it up for fear of reupurcussions, I'd be happy to.

I only know one hunter who doesn't drink. But nobody I know ever shot anyone accidentally or on purpose in that state, so obviously they were sufficiently in control of themselves.

I think behavior involving drugs is acceptable only to the extent its done responsibly. If folks can handle their liquor, then by all means, rock on and have fun. But if you do something stupid like wrap your car around a crossing guard or plug your friend while out hunting, well, there are consequences for acting recklessly.

[edit on 15-2-2006 by WyrdeOne]