NEWS: Dick Cheney Accidentally Shoots Hunting Partner

Originally posted by Regenmacher

Forgot about him fleeing the scene.

You mean, taking his friend to the hospital?

Forgot about his failing to report it.

He doesn't need to report an injury with a firearm, if he believes no crime was committed. Only the medic who treats the wound is required to report in Texas.

Forgot about obstruction of justice.

One more time, every heard of the 5th amendment. Unless you are detained, or under arrest, you don't have to answer police questions. Right to silence and all that.

Forgot about him not submitting to a blood test.

Unless he has been arrested and/or charged, there is no reason he has to comply with any such test. Otherwise, it takes a court order. From a judge.

Forgot about him hunting illegallly.

I'm still browsing the incredibly complicated Texas hunting laws online. He may have had a valid license, but not one for quail in the specific county. I don't think it's a felony, but can't be sure yet. if a misd., it carries only a fine for first offense.

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Since were appear to be exploring ALL of the possible transgressions, I thought this amusing...

I stumbled upon the actual police report found on the Smoking Gun Website.

Here is the relevant portion of the image:



Notice Cheney's address listed on the police report?

Read this:

Pilots Complain About Cheney's Airspace

WASHINGTON Nov 29, 2005 (AP)— The Federal Aviation Administration has imposed flight restrictions over Dick Cheney's new Maryland home, angering private pilots who say they can't fly overhead even when the vice president isn't around.

Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association spokesman Chris Dancy said Tuesday the FAA only imposes restrictions at Cheney's Jackson Hole, Wyo., home when he's there. He questioned the need to have the restrictions in place at all times over a home in Maryland, which has much more air traffic.

Cheney's new home is on the Chesapeake Bay in St. Michaels, Md., about 30 miles east of Washington. The restricted airspace has a radius of one nautical mile and was established Nov. 22.

Is it a crime to misrepresent your actual place of residence to a law enforcement officer?

Would I be given that option? If I shot somebody, could I provide a law enforcement officer a post office box address, or the address of my grandmother, in place of my actual physical residence?




[edit on 13-2-2006 by loam]

You mean, taking his friend to the hospital?

That's no lawful excuse to flee and who says he went straight to the hospital inside the ambulance?

He doesn't need to report an injury with a firearm, if he believes no crime was committed. Only the medic who treats the wound is required to report in Texas.

The officers on the scene determine that, not Cheney

One more time, every heard of the 5th amendment. Unless you are detained, or under arrest, you don't have to answer police questions. Right to silence and all that.

One last time, they didn't even see him to get a report, and I said nothing of questioning. He failed to submit ID and be present. If it's legit what's old Dicky hiding from ehh? He barred the sheriff from visiting him until much later, and probably so he could sober up his drunk butt and clear his brain of pain killers for his lame foot.

CBS News White House correspondent Peter Maer reports Texas authorities are complaining that the Secret Service barred them from speaking to Cheney after the incident. Kenedy County Texas Sheriffs Lt. Juan Guzman said deputies first learned of the shooting when an ambulance was called.

Unless he has been arrested and/or charged, there is no reason he has to comply with any such test. Otherwise, it takes a court order. From a judge.

No officer was able to observe him for sobriety in the first damn place as in obstruction of justice. Failure comply to mandatory blood test will lead to arrest and Oil Slick Dick being hauled down to the hospital to give one forcebly. But since the Gestapo barred the sheriff's department from seeing Cheney, so much for justice.

Warning kids, don't try this at home since no SS is shielding you or you will most likely get 3 hots and a cot with big Leroy.



[edit on 14-2-2006 by Regenmacher]

Ok, Lets deny ignorence.

1)The Hunters were hunting in Thick Brush. Now most of the Media Thanks Brush is when your Grass is 6 Inches long.

That is not the Case. Were talking about Weeds that are over 6 feet tall. There is going To be a blind Spot.

I've had deer almost run over me while walking in Brush. (The scent was carried away from Them.) And if a "deer" can't See you, I doubt a Human can either.

So the shooting was Unintentional "friendly fire" Under the Fog of Brush.

Originally posted by msnevil
Fog of Brush.

Or do you mean a Fog of Bush... I have felt that way for quite sometime now...

Does anyone know where exactly in Texas this ranch was?

Originally posted by msnevil
Ok, Lets deny ignorence.

That is not the Case. Were talking about Weeds that are over 6 feet tall. There is going To be a blind Spot.

Armstrong Ranch in Armstrong, Texas

Armstrong Ranch Map

You ever hunt near Corpus Christi? Why don't you show me this pic of this 6 foot sage brush in winter on the Armstrong game ranch where them clipped wing farm raised quail hide in?


Like this west Texas field? Look 3 quail, an orange one and two tan ones!...blast'em!

Then explain to me how he couldn't hear a 78 year old man crunching thru this monster brush and then actually breaking a cardinal hunting rule of pivoting 180, shooting out of his field of view and not identifying what he was aiming at before he pulled the trigger...thus nailing old Harry in the face while he was dressed in a bright orange cap and vest.

Maybe the explanation is ale makes quail or fog of Busch beer?

He looked like an orange 6 foot bird...I swear! *hiccup*



Yeah we can deny ignorance by denying Cheney

[edit on 14-2-2006 by Regenmacher]

I just heard that ole Dick didn't have his 7 dollar hunting license! Can anyone confirm that? Just heard it on a mourning show not a news show.

Originally posted by Regenmacher

Armstrong Ranch in Armstrong, Texas

WTF?!? YOU CAN HIDE AN ENTIRE ARMY BEHIND THAT THING......of ants.

I understand this entire story much better, thanks Regenmaker.

Originally posted by Regenmacher
Vagabond, failure of Cheney to perceive the risk could constitute criminal negligence.

I already explained this. The Texas Penal Code does not identify any such crime as criminal negligence. OTHER crimes can be committed under conditions of criminal negligence, where specified. Neither Deadly Conduct nor Assault can be committed in Criminal Negligence; only in recklessness, as I have already shown you.

If Whittington had died, they could have gotten Negligent Homicide:
www.bakers-legal-pages.com...

Sec. 19.05. CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. (a) A person commits an offense if he causes the death of an individual by criminal negligence.
~ (b) An offense under this section is a state jail felony.

By the way, your link isn't even applicable to Texas law. Do you know how I can tell? It specifies 3rd degree manslaughter, which isn't in the Texas Penal Code. Texas calls it Criminally Negligent Homicide instead and has a separate code for it.

Also the accident couldn't be adequately investigated due to Cheney fleeing the scene, obstruction of justice, failure to submit to a blood test and/or the incident not being reported in a timely manner.

Great, show me the codes. I've got class in 30 minutes and I don't have time to be your paralegal, so you find the laws that Cheney broke, then I'll look at them and tell you if you're onto anything or not. If you're wrong again I'll even break it down for you barney style as to what you missed. Just for the love of God will you stop referring to laws without even looking them up?

The only wrong here is your grasp of reality in defense of a reckless scumbag.

It's not a matter of him being a scum bag. He was elected to federal office: OF COURSE he's a scumbag. Do you think that the scumbags in office are ever going to outlaw scumbaggery? Me neither, so I guess we'll have to actually convict him of breaking a law on the books before we lynch him, just like everybody else. (Look on the bright side: it happened in Texas, so if we find out that he did commit a capital crime, we can execute him no matter how retarded some people might think he is)

I suggest you not follow the same idiocy as the VP, unless you like prison.

I already linked to similar cases in Texas on Page 2. People don't get charged for hunting accidents down there. Apparently it's a part of the sport. No word on why anybody still engages in the sport.

Dick Cheney pulled the trigger against something he imagined

That's legal in Texas per Section 6.01 of the Penal Code.

Now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

Well what about hunting without a license?

Also why in hell are we arguing about this piece of "news"? Nothing else happening today or something?

[edit on 14-2-2006 by sardion2000]

Well now we know were the WMD are...Dick cheny

Originally posted by sardion2000
Also why in hell are we arguing about this piece of "news"? Nothing else happening today or something?

"And in other news, President Bush ate corn yesterday!"

Agreed... this might as well be a special report on Entertainment Tonight about some idiot getting caught with a hooker. Who cares?!

Sure, he may be a total douche. But no crime was committed. There is no direct evidence of a conspiracy of any kind. All we have here are people grasping at anything to try and cast negative light whenever possible. In this case however, the man makes for a damn good mirror.

I bet Dickard was telling the guy to "Suck it up!" and "Oh for cryin' out loud it doesn't hurt that bad.............stop your whining!".

Way to go Dickard!!!

Peace

Looks like Dick Cheney fails his hunter safety course.

When I took my course, it was the SHOOTER who was responsible for identifying his target. Sounds like the gov is instituting damage control by trying to blame the VICTIM for not calling out as he approached the group. They must hunt a little differently in Texas than they do in the United States.

Harry Whittington has experienced an atrial fibrillation [minor heart attack] as a result of birdshot that is either lodged in/near the heart, or at least in close proximity causing an inflammatory reaction.

More coming at the moment from CNN Live.

[edit: to add]

There is a bb[birdshot] which is lodged either in the area of or in the heart muscle itself.

Interview concluded @ 1:35 p.m. EST

[edit on 2/14/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

So Dick may come up on involuntary manslaughter charges yet.

So that's what the coverup was about.

hosted.ap.org...

Associated Press says an asymptomatic heart attack, probably no big deal, although it is significant in that if Whittington were to die as a result, the criminal negligence thing comes into play and negligent homicide is a possible charge. Don't get your hopes up right now though; as far as the law is concerned, this is an innocent little mistake as it currently stands.

The story also points out that Dick Cheney was NOT hunting without a license. He was hunting with a license that lacked a stamp allowing him to take upland birds, which has only been required recently. He didn't pay a nothing little tax. It's like catching more fish than you're allowed. Yes, he still should have had it, but this has a bearing on some of the claims that are being made about his violation. Even if there is law or precedent out there whereby unlicensed hunting is considered evidence of recklessness, there would have to be an interpretation of the law in regards to the stamp, because he technically IS licensed.

Finally as for whether or not this is news: it's not important news, but of course it's news. Public life brings a certain amount of attention. Cheney has a hunting accident, Chelsea Clinton gets a ticket for bike riding with no helmet, President Ford can't walk and chew gum at the same time without falling down, whatever- it's going to be noticed, and it is going to interest people because it tells us something about our elected leaders.

It's a scandal, it's not a big deal, it should be off of the news by the end of today and off of the comedy shows by next week, but that doesn't mean it wasn't news. Open the paper and look at some of the mundane nonsense that is considered news. If it happened, and people, however ridiculously, wish to gain knowledge about it, then it's news.

If the man dies.... it will be much BIGGER news...that's for sure...

(Of course, I hope that doesn't happen.)

Does anyone know if the VP can be civilly sued for this circumstance?

BTW, look at this portion of the article by Vagabond:

White House physicians who attended to Whittington at the scene after Cheney accidentally shot him were involved in the treatment, the officials said.

Which makes it sound like those physicians are there now.... but look at this article:

Cheney hunting victim suffers minor heart attack


A spokesman for the Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial in Corpus Christi, Texas, said the hospital was in contact with White House doctors.

If the physicians are NOT there, why are they in "contact" with White House doctors???

Well the White House doctors may have been there at the time of the incident because Dick needs constant medical attention(here's a paranoid man, Won't even let plane fly over residence when he's not there).

The minute Cheney left he took his premium doctors with him.