NASA secret videos. The undeniable proof!

By nightwing:-

Reality tends not to be well recieved in this area, so do not be too surprised. The reason I am posting was to encourage you a bit.
You made a truly great statement that deserves repeating.

"On the other hand IF someone has Real evidence of Ufo's or Aliens , then all the dunking in the world means nothing " == Briggs

I could not have said that better. Kudos. And this one I really enjoyed.

forgive my flippancy....'Real evidence of UFOs', did you say? lolololol!!!! You wouldnt even admit it even if it is under your nose or stare at it for years. I had heard the blind leading the blind, but a debunker encouraging another sure do takes the cake.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Lol@Brigs

Go on and ridicule me to cover up for your own ignorance. This had always been the modus operandi of debunkers who are only as excellent in the ridicule as their ignorance denial.

The NASA video discussion is bigger than both of us, as i had said before, even if you persist with your inflated ego that you are big...of what, no doubt those who read your posts, even with the editions you have craftily made, will know.

BUT nothing can change what happened in the video, nor the wild claims you made. Of what science you studied, no one knows except that it must be a form of 'magic' stone kind, making yourself no better than a fraudster which you thank goodness for.

I had asked you politely twice to back your statements on your first post and yet, you have chosed to side step the issue instead of providing your data, but to make crude comments about me despite your claim of comming here for a discussion.

Throughout the exchange, you had not provided an iota of evidence to back your claims. Readers here will indeed know and see for themselves what transpired here, for they are not as stupid as you presume them to be.

All good things must come to an end. Have fun in your denial, debunker. It's your right to remain stupid. May you change your ways to seek for truth instead of comming out with nonsense to debunk others again

By Briggs:-posted on 11-2-2006 at 04:51 PM Post Number: 1986283

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I watched the Vids on that web site and most of the ones on earth are interesting , But Some are just too Blurry/fuzzy or out of Focus to mean anything. But there are a few that are interesting.

As for the Nasa Vids , well most if not all of them dont show much of anything at all .... Ive been to the Nasa web site and watched the Vids there and i didnt see any panning out or artificial Snow .

As for the way objects move in space , is not mystery .
if you dont have gravity or at best weak gravity , you can pretty much move any way you want . Or in this case , it wouldnt take much too Move a Object -- example gravity on the moon is 1/3 of earth , a man weighing 150
pounds can lift something like 1 or 2 tons ? ... not too mention that on some planets in space , you can literally jump several miles or lift
weights that you could never do on earth .

So considering that the space around Earth is litteraly polluted with thousands of pieces of Space junk , its not hard to imagine that some of it will get filmed on accident at one time or another .

most of the stuff on the space vids could be anything from ice/space junk/space dust / micro meteors or other things .. and all of these things can easily be moved in any direction at any time by natural means

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Seekeroftruth I did not ridicule you , atleast not untill you blantly attacked me.
I even apologised for offending you.... what more can i do ?.

I stated that i thought we wer having a discussion / debate , but i guess for some reason you wer offended .

I Am not a Debunker -- I simply gave alternative ideas on the subject so people would Think instead of blindly jumping to Conclusions about something that cant be proven to be anything more than an anomaly.

I admitted several times the Vids are interesting , But i wont say that aliens are involved , because from what i see on the vids ,they just dont prove that .

And please continue to Quote me , everything I have stated can easily be Read in a book Or Looked up on the Internet.

And as per your character - Your too Lazy to look up the Info for yourself and actually Learn something .

Its a shame you spend so much time reading about what you think are UFO's instead of trying to learn what they really Could be .
And no im not saying there not Ufo's but there are alternatives to little
green men .. As i said before it could be anything ? .

And yet through out this time of exchanging post , you havent given proof
of Ufo's as you see it .

I think its Odd , I try to get people to open there Minds to the Possiabilties and You Ask them to blindly Jump to conclusions.

So if you want to be a lemming , by all means plz be one .

You ask me for proof , I say pick up any 7th grade science book or look it up on the net .

I Ask you for proof , you show me a bunch a Fuzzy / blurry / grainy Vids and pictures that could have been put together by some drunk crack addict
living in mommies basement .

All I saw was a bunch of white dots going everywhere. (and Why was the image quality so poor?)

While I believe in "Ufo's". I tend to associate That the "Simplest answer is usually the correct Answer."

My answer: most of what is seen Appears to be one direction objects. Or if it changes direction it usually Goes away from the Earth. Or perpendicular to the Earth. I really didn't see any Multi-directional changes. Also With the poor image quality. You can't Prove Nothing. One way or Another.

Truly this is poor quality material to prove UFO's.

Though You did prove that space is full of "Stuff".

(Now if the UFO guy would just fly up to the Camera and say "Hi". Then well, We will state it was CGI edited. Or Not?)

Also side note: How much human Fertilizer is floating in space? Perhaps the White objects are Really Turds in space? (Tether vid)

So your Both Wrong, Its a Turd. (and I need to go to bed, And deny Stupidity :duh

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
By nightwing:-

Reality tends not to be well recieved in this area, so do not be too surprised. The reason I am posting was to encourage you a bit.
You made a truly great statement that deserves repeating.

"On the other hand IF someone has Real evidence of Ufo's or Aliens , then all the dunking in the world means nothing " == Briggs

I could not have said that better. Kudos. And this one I really enjoyed.

forgive my flippancy....'Real evidence of UFOs', did you say? lolololol!!!! You wouldnt even admit it even if it is under your nose or stare at it for years. I had heard the blind leading the blind, but a debunker encouraging another sure do takes the cake.

Again you miss the whole point of what he was trying to say .
And being as you are , you put a negative twist on it .

Do yourself and everyone a favor , read some Real books , about Real Science . If reading is too much for you , then watch the Science channel for gods sake .

If all Ufo beleievers are like you , Its no wonder there are so many sceptics.

[edit on 12-2-2006 by Briggs]

I had performed the exchange to Briggs for a purpose in mind. Brigs was just an unfortunate ready victim.

The entire episode is just to show how denial happens and the subsequent backtracking one takes to cover up for himself. In the past, UFO witnesses had been ridiculed and there was nothing to help them.

But now, with technology and credible real and undeniable footages, it is no longer so easy to explain away UFOs. People are more educated now and seek several sources to firm up their minds. The tables have turned, its those in denial who are quick to jump to their conclusions.

So what are UFOs and who are UFO's occupants? There are witnesses who makes all kinds of claims. So does the scientific community. But who are we to believe?

Lets not be quick to make judgements, espacially by those who claim to have scientific leanings. The heated xchange experiment here has shown them incapable of giving a firm undisputable answer.

The truth is, the answer is still out there. All we need is patience and a desire to know the whole truth, and not quick judgement BS, otherwise we will only end up tripping over ourselves and never knowing the truth.

Brigs, there was nothing personal and i meant you no harm. I apologise for my comments, it was only a short controlled experiment to prove a point with an intention to come clean at the end of it. I apologise if this had been nothing more than a schoolyard exchange.

As for experiments of a more professional status with those who studied indepth into the UFO phenoma, one only needs to read in their research papers disputing with scientific facts against an establishment hell bent on remaining in denial.

Have a nice day.

"How is it possible that NORAD tracks all this Space debris? " == lost shaman

Phased Array Radar with a Keplerian solution. How would you determine an orbit given two points in the orbit
and the time it takes to travel between them ?


"It is because these objects maintain their trajectories, unless acted upon by outside forces." == lost shaman

You just said F = MA which is true but the terminology for an Orbit is a bit more than trajectory.

www.lns.cornell.edu...

An orbital element set sufficient for accurate short term predictions around Earth can be done with six basic
parameters.

Just for you lost shaman, you are going to love the title of this little ditty.
www.glenbrook.k12.il.us...

Thanks nightwing for pointing out that orbiting bodies follow mathematically predictable paths.

This is why it is strange to see things that are changing speed and direction for no apparent reason.

Sometimes I go in the garden late at night to have a fag and I have seen these type of shooting stars, but they travel more slow than the average shooting star.

I have even seen a group of these things travel in the same direction always keeping the same distance apart.

This is what I see from Earth, Bedfordshire, Bedford, UK.

I see this most times I go out for a fag.

Can anyone explain this then?

Sattelites in a constant orbit. They're common to see at night. The higher the orbit the later you can see them. Low orbit sattelites only show up just after sunset, the near geosynchronus sattelites can be seen later at night.

So why do these satalites glow like stars do.

They even look really really far away like stars

But you could be right

It's the sun reflecting off them. Their solar panels and parts of the body are highly reflective. That's the only reason you can see them, is because the sun reflects off them.

Don't forget you're also seeing the sun reflecting off of things that are hundreds and even thousands of miles above you. And most of them aren't that big to begin with, so they're GONNA look far away like stars do.

[edit on 2/12/2006 by Zaphod58]

To all of you who may think that you have solved the mystery of the NASA and Russian space videos of UFOs. I say this, while one can not conclude that ALL of the objects that appear in the videos are actually ET UFO. One must NOT assume that ALL of the objects in the video are NOT. Yes, it may seem like some people have good points when trying to debunk the videos, and may bring in some pretty interesting counter info which could explain some of the space activity. But then we have to think to our selves, what would make an astronout so excited and impressed that he would actually have to conclude that he has witnessed an ET vehicle.

These are well educated men, people who can't afford to be coind as flakes, nuts, or UFO people. These guys are claming to see things that defy explanation. In some cases present videos and photos, to enlighten the ones who have no clue what earth looks like from hundreds of miles out in the earths atmosphere.

These people see things that are so impressive that they think that they must share with us and yet, we with a few internet pics and shady math equations totally shoot, and discredit, something so impressive that it would actually make a man of this stature go public and risk his carreer over it.

I say this, who do you think you should believe, an impressive storry with video evidence from an astronaut. Or believe it from some internet junkie who uses a USERNAME to conceal his true identity. Who do you think has more at risk?

And you guys may think that these videos are "Space Junk" or "turds" try and tell that to an astronout that has seen these with his own two eyes. Try and convince the men who have actually busted their a$$ in engeneering or aeronautical scinece. The guys who are out there in space, and witnessing these events with their own eyes. Most of the explaining beeing done here is probably from kids who have not yet even obtained a high school diploma.





[edit on 12-2-2006 by Cabanman]

I know there is other life form out there

I just dont have the power to prove it.

Think about how many stars there is in space, all like our suns.

It only takes another planet to be the same distance apart from the sun like earth then you have life.

We can not say we are the only ones

Originally posted by Cabanman
To all of you who may think that you have solved the mystery of the NASA and Russian space videos of UFOs. I say this, while one can not conclude that ALL of the objects that appear in the videos are actually ET UFO. One must NOT assume that ALL of the objects in the video are NOT. Yes, it may seem like some people have good points when trying to debunk the videos, and may bring in some pretty interesting counter info which could explain some of the space activity. But then we have to think to our selves, what would make an astronout so excited and impressed that he would actually have to conclude that he has witnessed an ET vehicle.

These are well educated men, people who can't afford to be coind as flakes, nuts, or UFO people. These guys are claming to see things that defy explanation. In some cases present videos and photos, to enlighten the ones who have no clue what earth looks like from hundreds of miles out in the earths atmosphere.

These people see things that are so impressive that they think that they must share with us and yet, we with a few internet pics and shady math equations totally shoot, and discredit, something so impressive that it would actually make a man of this stature go public and risk his carreer over it.

I say this, who do you think you should believe, an impressive storry with video evidence from an astronaut. Or believe it from some internet junkie who uses a USERNAME to conceal his true identity. Who do you think has more at risk?

And you guys may think that these videos are "Space Junk" or "turds" try and tell that to an astronout that has seen these with his own two eyes. Try and convince the men who have actually busted their a$$ in engeneering or aeronautical scinece. The guys who are out there in space, and witnessing these events with their own eyes. Most of the explaining beeing done here is probably from kids who have not yet even obtained a high school diploma.

[edit on 12-2-2006 by Cabanman]

Im going to Use your Statement Cabanman , But this is for Everyone here .

First And Foremost - No one here has tried to Debunk any Vids or Pics , no more than you and others have tried to proclaim how real they are .

Giving a Alternative hypothesis to a Anomaly IS NOT a way of trying to Debunk the anomaly ........ IT is a way of trying to understand the
anomaly and exactly what it could be , wich will hopefully lead to the truth.

Apparently You and the others Have not READ carefully and Fully my statements and the statements of others on this Topic , NOT once has myself or Anyone else tried to DEBUNK the vids.

The Fact that you and the others So additmitly proclaim the Vids to be real
Shows how Closed minded you are . Wich is Oxymoronic considering you say you beleive in UFO's.

Your open minded enough to say they are real , but not open minded enough to actually use your mind and Consider other possiabilities.

Im not Sure what you mean By SHADY math ???. Math is either True or False . there are no shades of grey (no pun intended).

I have Yet to see anyone Go Public and have there Carreer ruined by going public .. Considering all of the UFO shows that have been on over the yrs with some of Worlds leading Scientist giving there Views on the Subject.

Again , I dont know of 1 Astronaut that has been ruined in any way by going Public . Considering these same Astronauts are routinely on various
Ufo / Space shows telling there story . Not to mention on radio shows like
Coast to Coast Am .
But again you and your breathen have a flair for the Dramatics.

And to add to that - No one here has said anything about Astronauts in the way of debunking them .

Im not sure what a High school or College Diploma have to do with anything .. So i'll leave it at that .



[edit on 12-2-2006 by Briggs]

Note how I said not all of the objects where ET UFOs. And yes for one of these astronauts to say such about UFOs most likely will jeperdise their carreer. This is why they do so after they have fineshed their carreers.

Your just pissed-off becasue you are taking a beating by the other guys. Don't go my way with your bull$hit cause it ain't going to work. If you believe that ALL of these objects are floating "turds" or 'ice particles" that is your problem not mine. Yes, I have an open mind and no I am not going to take your word on the subjet over the word of the professionals who where actually there.

Education eliminates ignorance, don't you know that?

See ya'





[edit on 12-2-2006 by Cabanman]

Originally posted by Cabanman
Note how I said not all of the objects where ET UFOs. And yes for a one of these astronauts to say such about UFOs most likely will jeperdise their carrer. this is why they do so after they have fineshed their carrers.

Your just pissed-off becasue you are taking a beating by the other guys. Don't go my way with your bull$hit cause it ain't going to work. If you believe that ALL of these objects are floating "turds" or 'ice particles" that is your problem not mine. Yes, I have an open mind and no I am not going to take your word on the subjet over the word of the professionals who where actually there.


See ya'

Ok cabanman , take a deep breath .
apparently your easily upset by the discussion .

As for me being pissed off ?? . lol . not at all . why would i be ?.

And I did not say - take my word for anything . I never said i spoke the Gospel .... I only give alternatives to Discuss / debate in a polite and kindly manner in order to figure out the truth .

Something you and your friends do not want to do for some reason.

I never said believe what im saying . I only offered a different opion and a different way at looking the Vids .... It was still up to the reader to decide what they beleive ..... You act as though im holding a gun to your head ?.

Apparently your lack of reading and comprehension of the English language
has left you dazed and confused in some way .

If your so open Minded ? then why do you become so hostile when
someone else offers there Opion ?.

As for taking a beating ?? im not sure how you come to that conclusion .

Unless you totally lack reading and comprehension skills ?. You should go back to page 1 and re-read everything .

Again in my last post before this - I clearly stated -
I am not Debunking anything , only giving a alternative opion.

And for some reason , that makes you Upset.

did you miss your mourning meds or something ?.

O.k. well everything is being talked about except NASA videos.

The obvious explanation is "Space Junk"!

These Videos are being presented precisely because the objects seen in the videos don't act like ordinary "Space Junk".

i dont know if its space junk or not , that was just a alt-opion.

is there anyway to download the Vids and check them out ?.
a few of the vids could easily be zoomed in and maybe get a better pic of what it is .

Originally posted by Briggs

Ok cabanman , take a deep breath .
apparently your easily upset by the discussion .

As for me being pissed off ?? . lol . not at all . why would i be ?.



Apparently your lack of reading and comprehension of the English language
has left you dazed and confused in some way .

If your so open Minded ? then why do you become so hostile when
someone else offers there Opion ?.

As for taking a beating ?? im not sure how you come to that conclusion .

Unless you totally lack reading and comprehension skills ?. You should go back to page 1 and re-read everything .

Again in my last post before this - I clearly stated -
I am not Debunking anything , only giving a alternative opion.

And for some reason , that makes you Upset.

did you miss your mourning meds or something ?.

Upset? I sould have to believe your thinking to be upset. since I don't believe yor thoughts, and frankly don't care about them either, this means that I can't be upset.

It's just funny how you go off on people for stating their opinions. You dirrected your anger at me cause I wrote my thoughts on debunkers. I did not mention you, But yet you call me crazy or that I have no reading skills.
Like I said before, don't bring it on me, cause I don't care! You are the upset one who wants to get your point across. don't turn your dissapointment on me.


See ya'

if it all was really debris, then why did they take so long to confirm it