Good News For Rapists & Criminals: British Government Bans Knives

I'd like to see an end to the knife culture flourishing on Britains streets too. I'd also llike to see all those thugs and lowlifes that use them put up against a wall and shot. Is this still too Euro lefty.

[edit on 10-2-2006 by ubermunche]

The weapon is not the rifle, knife or sword...but the human mind.

Tell me, once they ban these does this leave you "defenceless" ?
Does not owning the latest hecklor and koch high velocity, super accurate and super reliable and expensive gun mean I am a coward who doesnt deserve freedoms?

US Gun Homicide Death Rates 3 - 8 times greater than Canada

www.cbc.ca...

Anyway - I don't want this to morph into a debate on the constitutional right of Americans to blow each other away!

I just don't see how anyone can regard arresting neds for carrying knives as anything other than eminently reasonable. What are they using them for? Woodwork?

TD

Originally posted by ElTiante
Thank God I don't
CANADA'S GUN REGISTRATION FAILURE: VIOLENT CRIME RATE DOUBLE THAT OF U.S.


Americans see less crime than Britons, Canadians


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Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz

Now I feel a great deal safer. The criminal who is prepared to break in your home and rip you to shreds in cold blood

Yeah, how often does that happen? I think you're paranoid.

Anyway I've got a hundred things in my house I could hurt you with pretty badly, and not one of them even resembles a knife. So I wouldn't start feeling too safe yet

Anyway how could they ban ALL knives? What would you cut up your mad cow steak with? Re-read your article carefuly

[edit on 10/2/2006 by ANOK]

Originally posted by ubermunche
I'd like to see an end to the knife culture flourishing on Britains streets too. I'd also llike to see all those thugs and lowlifes that use them put up against a wall and shot. Is this still too Euro lefty.

[edit on 10-2-2006 by ubermunche]

You want to shoot them? Ooook who is the thug here?

All people need for violence is an excuse, thugs have theirs and obviously you have yours

Violence breeds violence....

[edit on 10/2/2006 by ANOK]

Originally posted by devilwasp
The weapon is not the rifle, knife or sword...but the human mind.

Tell me, once they ban these does this leave you "defenceless" ?
Does not owning the latest hecklor and koch high velocity, super accurate and super reliable and expensive gun mean I am a coward who doesnt deserve freedoms?

The Human mind can't kill without the rifle, knife or sword. (pls not a literal statement)

So what's your answer? Ban the Human mind? Teach ppl not to kill?
You see that happening any time soon?

Your statement is just an excuse to arm yourself against your paranoia and fear. Relax you have nothing to worry about, I'll do a drive by stabbing at your house

Violence breeds violence.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I'm very sorry to hear that. Freedom in the UK just took one giant leap backward and over something so stupid as knives. I used to take pocket knife to school. Now, you'd be strung up from the school flagpole. This should be a lesson to all Americans. Keep an eye on Australia and the UK to see just what we have to lose.

Oh, and join the National Rifle Association. Protect your freedoms while they still exist.

washingtontimes.com

[edit on 2006/2/10 by GradyPhilpott]

Ozzies and Poms........would you like your country awash with weapons. Wouldn't you feel SO much safer. Is there no introspection anymore. Is it not totally apparent that there are FAR fewer violent deaths in countries with strict gun and weapons control.

American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

Anyone who supports weapons freedom is just plain stupid. That does not mean solving the problem in the US is simple. On the contrary, The country is swamped with easily accessible weapons. Should other countries follow suit? ROFL. Why would any intelligently run country want to find themselves in the same situation.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by ubermunche
I'd like to see an end to the knife culture flourishing on Britains streets too. I'd also llike to see all those thugs and lowlifes that use them put up against a wall and shot. Is this still too Euro lefty.

[edit on 10-2-2006 by ubermunche]

You want to shoot them? Ooook who is the thug here?

Depends on your definition of thug obviously but it just goes to prove that few of us are either total bleeding heart liberals or roaring reactionary bigots in our outlooks but range across a broad spectrum.

All people need for violence is an excuse, thugs have theirs and obviously you have yours

Right again and my excuse is seeing nasty little sociopaths commiting murder or the ruination of other's lives and suffering minimal consequences for it..if any. Justified maybe not but perfectly understandable.

Violence breeds violence....

So do over liberal responses to violent crime. But don't worry I doubt my little prejudice will ever be indulged, still a sentence that actually reflected the seriousness of the crime would be a start.

Originally posted by ubermunche

Right again and my excuse is seeing nasty little sociopaths commiting murder or the ruination of other's lives and suffering minimal consequences for it..if any. Justified maybe not but perfectly understandable.

But do you really think killing these "nasty little sociopaths" actualy solves anything? Why are kids becomming "nasty little sociopaths"?
Instead of reacting with violence maybe we should look for the root of the problem and fix that? There is a root to every problem.

So do over liberal responses to violent crime. But don't worry I doubt my little prejudice will ever be indulged, still a sentence that actually reflected the seriousness of the crime would be a start.

What is an 'over liberal' responce to crime? Are you assuming I'm a liberal?
Why is everything either a liberal or conservative responce? Sry but I base my views on neither, just common sence.

You will never solve a problem by just punishing the end result. Again violence breeds violence. A society hell bent on shaping everybody to it's idea of how the world should be, is gonna create extremes in the oposite direction. It's natural for Humans to rebel against authority.
We live in a world where violence is accepted as the norm and only way to solve our problems, a la Iraq or any of the present 'wars', or violent punishment of criminals, or cops shooting pppl for no reason.
Do you not expect a violent youth to be born out of that? Who is really to blame the "nasty little sociopaths" or the society that breeds them?

I'm not saying crime should go unpunished, just that we need to look for the whys, not just punish without knowing why or what we're really punishing. Fix society and our own behaviour and then maybe we will stop breeding "nasty little sociopaths".

"Beg the question, bend the truth, bail out the basement while there's holes in the roof" Jeremy Ratter

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[edit on 10/2/2006 by ANOK]

My opinion Anok, while I agree with what you say to an extent is that upbringing, social conditions etc are not nearly so relevent to the current situation as the simple fact that punishments for criminal acts are failing miserably to reflect the seriousness of the crime. No doubt some offenders come from impoverished, abusive backgrounds but I suspect many don't, in fact there seems to be an equal case for cosseting and indulgence producing individuals with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement without any balancing sense of responsibility. Even if the latter is true the idea that society in general should take a share of the guilt and exercise understanding and tolerence of such acts has produced enough human debris from this social experiment to give it the lie. Granted many damaged people could have their life turned around by intervention at an early age but when schools, social services and the police are hostages to the misguided PC policies current at this time there's very little they can do. I'm all for rehabilitation and second chances when they're deserved but what seems to have been forgoten in the past few decades is the idea that retribution for crimes committed should also serve the purpose of sending a message to both the community and the criminal that the welfare and safety of these communities are paramount, not incidental to the perps welfare.

Maybe my earlier comments are harsh and reactionary but that's through years of watching decent people and communities being ruined by morally redundant people, or silly spiteful little kids empowered to the point of lunacy. You get fatigued trying to be understanding about it. As I said earlier that's my excuse and I'll reiterate a little common sense application of justice would go a great ways to alleviating that feeling.

By the way I'm liberal myself by inclination but I make no claims to know your political leanings, if that's how I came across forgive me.

Originally posted by ubermunche
My opinion Anok, while I agree with what you say to an extent is that upbringing....

I hear what your saying mate, don't take anything I say too personaly.
You didn't offend me at all, I just have a blunt way of putting things sometimes. Sometimes it prods people to think in a different way than they might be used to. Sometimes it just pisses people off.
I just don't play the political label thing. That's why my name is ANOK
There are other options, just need to be open to them.

Anyway, I didn't mention impoverished or abused kids. You don't have to be abused for the state to teach kids that violence is good.
Society in general is doing that to ALL the kids, look at the TV, I'm sure you do.
Our society was built on violence and profits from violence, is it no wonder our kids are violent?
People think it doesn't effect kids, but everything we learn in our younger years effects the way we act as adults.

I'm not talking about rehabilitating the "criminals", that's just another band aid. We need to stop teaching kids that violence is good. We need to change societies reliance on violence to change things, and it's glamourisation of it.
We need to change the system that is the root of the problem. Stop teaching kids to be overly competitive, stop teaching kids to be violent, and stop the molding of society into ignorant, un-questioning, non-creative, aggressive, consumer drones.

We have let the "profit makers" dictate how our lives are run. They have manipulated society to the point of turning everyone into consumer addicts, void of any real self awareness, caring for nothing but working their assess off to pay for things they don't need.

It's not the kids fault, it's the teachers, politicians, parents who are too lazy and wrapped up in their own lives to give a damn.

Oh! Johnnies being bad? Don't fret, give him ritalin, and go back to your shopping.

Hey miss your 5 your old kid is watching violence on TV....Oh well, keeps him out of my way!

Johhnie is now 18. Johnnie is now a "little sociopath".

Kids are sent to school way too young. Just young enough though to allow all that indoctrination to sink in, but way too young to have developed their desire to learn.

No wonder they rebel.

It's normal under un-natural sercumstances for an animal to lash out at everything and anything in their way.
We are baseicaly animals, only confused as to our place on the Earth.

Get rid of state run indoctrination centers.
Allow kids find their own path to learning and creativity.
But that wouldn't work in a consumer society, would it?

[edit on 11/2/2006 by ANOK]

Oh yes....americans are the crazy ones for having guns let me ask you something, all you people who think guns are the root of evil.....do you know that regimes such as Adolf Hitler's stood in power because of strict gun control laws?

What will you do when the tank rolls down your street?....throw rocks at it?! and dont be naive enough to think.....'well this britain! nothing like that can happen here' yes it can, and leaving the average citizen unarmed, you may have reduced some 'gun related deaths' but you may have sold your soul to the next dictator as well.

Why do you think americans are so adament about Second Amendment rights? hell, why do you think it was #2 on the list after free speech?!!

There was a reason for it I assure you.....

Im not saying dont run your country the way you want.....just dont put yourself completely at it's mercy either......Government serves people, not the other way around.

Well you know, things can be changed without guns or violence.

Go read about Gandhi....

Sry but the tanks can't shoot you if you're not there to be shot
Power is only powerful if you except it. Refuse to except, and the power ceases to be.

Originally posted by ANOK
The Human mind can't kill without the rifle, knife or sword. (pls not a literal statement)

Oh cant they?
Take it judo and karate are just get fit schemes then.

So what's your answer? Ban the Human mind? Teach ppl not to kill?
You see that happening any time soon?

Your statement is just an excuse to arm yourself against your paranoia and fear. Relax you have nothing to worry about, I'll do a drive by stabbing at your house

What? You think my statement was FOR arming ourselves?
Anok I was posting AGAINST it, you dont need a knife to kill or maim somone, helll the human mind is the most dangerous weapon on the planet and the will to survive is the strongest know to man!

Violence breeds violence.

????Wtf was the pointn in that statement?

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Oh yes....americans are the crazy ones for having guns

let me ask you something, all you people who think guns are the root of evil.....do you know that regimes such as Adolf Hitler's stood in power because of strict gun control laws?

UH what?
Mr Hitler stayed in power because he had a slight advantage of having tanks, aeroplanes, warships and a large army.
Civilians dont own anti tank missiles!

What will you do when the tank rolls down your street?....throw rocks at it?! and dont be naive enough to think.....'well this britain! nothing like that can happen here' yes it can, and leaving the average citizen unarmed, you may have reduced some 'gun related deaths' but you may have sold your soul to the next dictator as well.

Next dictator?
With the current system there is no chance of that since we have 2 layers of security against it.

Why do you think americans are so adament about Second Amendment rights? hell, why do you think it was #2 on the list after free speech?!!

Because there paraniod?

There was a reason for it I assure you.....

Im not saying dont run your country the way you want.....just dont put yourself completely at it's mercy either......Government serves people, not the other way around.

The government serves the queen, the queen serves the people.
Troops dont serve the government, they serve the queen.

Britain has a great problem with knives. I have seen a documentary where people (somewhere in South London) carried choppers when they got out due to fear of their lives. Public ads about not currying knives have been in London for over 10 years.

Originally posted by masterp
Britain has a great problem with knives. I have seen a documentary where people (somewhere in South London) carried choppers when they got out due to fear of their lives. Public ads about not currying knives have been in London for over 10 years.

So london is now britain? Guess nothing exists past the M1 then..

i feel england is bending over and taking it, if any senator in the us proposed a bill on banning knives everyone would think hes crazy, i dont know if its just the people dont care or they have been told what to do for so long that there like zombie followers now. ive grown up my entire life with guns, my dad gave me a 22 caliber rifle when i was 8, showed me how to use it, handle it and be safe with it, tuaght me how violance doesnt breed good men and how to be a good man. why dont the parents in other countries teach there children this, especially america where i was born and raised and live. seems to many kids with no respect for anything get a hold of them and do stupid things becuase they were never told to stop doing stupid things or to respect anything.

Look we brits will do what we brits think is right, dont like it, dont visit.

I assume they aren't banning ALL knives. Or else how would you cook, etc? So are knives no longer going to be sold in grocery stores? Ridiculous if you ask me. Next it will be illegal to hold a stick, because you can use it as a weapon.

I HOPE what they mean is they are only banning certain types of knives that are only used for fighting, ie butterfly knives, which are already illegal here anyway.