The muslim riots and other acts of violence: why are they happening?

I'm starting this thread to know the answer, I don't have them all. And neither does anyone else, but together perhaps we can arrive at a rational, logical conclusion that, and I must stress this, that are not driven purely by emotions. Lets limit emotions as little as possible here, be a bit Vulcan if you may.

My question is, why do the people that are rioting and/or calling out death threats and/or willing to commit suicide bombings or condone it who profess to be a muslim commiting these violent acts?

Because you don't see it everywhere. You see it in quite a number muslim-majority countries, but not the half of them, not the majority, but just here and there. Granted even so their numbers are still pretty huge, but the world is large, plenty of people -- 6-point-something billion last I checked, of around which a billion or so are said to be muslims.

Right now from what I know, only Aghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan and Libya are rioting or having violent demonstrations. I may have missed out some, not intentionally but because I was not aware of it or it didn't come to me.

There are others places where there are protests, but let them be, it's their right to freedom of speech, no?

As for terrorists, they come from plenty of places, it seems, but there are certainly regions which seem to generate more of them.

And death threats? You get it from all sorts of people, religious or not, so let's leave that out, unless they follow up on it and actually do it.

So what's wrong with these regions/countries? Why do people who are living there and/or grew up there and/or got educated there acting this way? Why do people who come from this or that said region professing to be muslims doing this?

Tell me this. Because I only know the story of one country aside from my own. I'd like to know what any of you think about the others, about those other regions.

My guess, there are a number of factors at work, a big part of how such religious extremism has taken root is because of socio economic factors. Impoverished, poorly educated populations are especially vulnerable to radical ideas that promise something greater than the bleak existence they endure, add disposession or oppressive regimes to the mix and you have a population rife for explotation by those with their own power base to recruit for. Foreing policy and western interference has done a lot to foster the sense of grievience that many Islamic countries feel too. This is not to make apologies for the Islamofascist mindset and it's followers but it gives an insight into how these radical ideals can be fostered. Of course just like you have your typical US redneck or British BNP thug who's belief is his way is the only way and all must bow before it, no doubt muslims have their equivilent, chuck in an equal dash of racism, bigotry and religious mania from both sides and leave it all to bubble nicely and viola.

Here it is in a nutshell. Those who whine about the religious right in America, which means fundamentalist Christians, haven't yet come to terms with what a pain in the behind Islam can be, but I think the reality is going to hit home soon. It seems pretty obvious to me. I don't know why it's so hard for others.

“Defending the prophet should continue worldwide,” Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, told the crowd. “Let (U.S. Secretary of State) Condoleezza Rice, (President) Bush and all the tyrants shut up: We are a nation that can’t forgive, be silent or ease up when they insult our prophet and our sacred values.”

“Today, we are defending the dignity of our prophet with a word, a demonstration but let George Bush and the arrogant world know that if we have to ... we will defend our prophet with our blood, not our voices,” Nasrallah added.

www.msnbc.msn.com

Christianity is a religion founded on the spirtual cleansing power of forgiveness. Islam is a religion that knows only retribution and subservient virgins.


[edit on 2006/2/9 by GradyPhilpott]

This whole mess is designed to pit Europe against the Middle east as a whole. Bushy and Blair need a few freightened countries to join the effort of going into Iran that well inevitably happen. Remember nothing politically happens by mistake or by chance. These cartoons and Denmarks involvement was all preplanned.





www.rense.com...

Originally posted by YIAWETA
Bushy and Blair need a few freightened [sic] countries to join the effort of going into Iran that well inevitably happen.

www.rense.com...

Your going to need something a little more substantive than rense.com to back up such lunacy on this site. If Bush and Blair have this much power over Islam, why not just have them all commit mass suicide.

[edit on 2006/2/9 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by YIAWETA
This whole mess is designed to pit Europe against the Middle east as a whole. Bushy and Blair need a few freightened countries to join the effort of going into Iran that well inevitably happen. Remember nothing politically happens by mistake or by chance. These cartoons and Denmarks involvement was all preplanned.

I donno what you have been smoking but I would like some of that

What I do know that some of the muslim clerics traveled from Europe to the Middle East to instigate the reaction there. Are you saying the radical Muslim clerics were acting on orders from Washington?

Get a grip.

Buy Danish!

I don't know from which side it's being instigated, but it's more than just the cartoons. Someone is doing something to provoke them into doing this. Because as another thread just pointed out, these cartoons were run in an Egyptian newspaper in October and nothing happened.

GradyPhilpott,

I thank you for your response, but I must point out:

That is the opinion of one region's muslim leader, in Palestine. Hardly representitive of the whole. Instead of painting one whole large demographic section of humanity (muslims) with one broad stroke, we should break it down to regions, because it's not happening everywhere, that's for certain. A lot of places but not the whole Muslim Nation, if there is such a thing. So you can't say "Islam is a religion that knows only retribution and subservient virgins" because it's not every muslim from every muslim majority region who acts like that or believes that.

And by the way, let's not talk about the "virgins in paradise" because that apparantly is a misinterpretation/mistranslation if I'm not mistaken. Wasn't it actually grapes or raisins or something?

Ok, so that's one person, or one region - Palestine. Why is he/they so angry, why do they take to violence?

What about Syria or Lebanon? Why did they react so strongly?

Originally posted by Beachcoma
Instead of painting one whole large demographic section of humanity (muslims) with one broad stroke, we should break it down to regions, because it's not happening everywhere, that's for certain.

While you're playing map games, islam is preparing for global domination. The time to act is now. Islam knows no tolerance. Live free or die.

Here's a good link on the history of the image of Mohammed through the years...
users.evtek.fi...

Why are they rioting now?
Beats me...
Nothing better to do?

Deny, disparage and diffuse. You guys are either NWO pavers or just freakin stupid. Which is it?

Originally posted by YIAWETA
Deny, disparage and diffuse. You guys are either NWO pavers or just freakin stupid. Which is it?

Of whom do you speak?

Originally posted by YIAWETA
Deny, disparage and diffuse. You guys are either NWO pavers or just freakin stupid. Which is it?

You go, girl. Opposite to what you are saying, it seems like it's not Europe who wants to pit itself against the Muslim world, but quite the opposite. Did the Danes torch any of the Middle Easterrn Embassies?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

While you're playing map games, islam is preparing for global domination. The time to act is now. Islam knows no tolerance. Live free or die.

If you seriously think the common muslim is part of a grand scheme to take-over the world you are really responding to this thread emotionaly, and that is the emotion called fear. We muslims may worship the same God but I'd hardly say we're united.

As far as I know, my country, a muslim-majority country doesn't have any plans for world-domination. Our military is so inadequate it is estimated a quarter of our land can be taken over by an invasion from tiny Singapore within hour if they so choose to. And we're not big on military purchases either.

And what about other muslim countries? Where are the mass armies trying to take over the world?

Please give me something other than repeating the mantra "Islam knows no tolerance." It's as bad as "Death to the Infidels" in the problematic nations I've said. Remember, less emotional, more analytical. Both those mantra's are what I'd consider emotional.

This site and it's posters are a strange lot. One asks a questions, I supply them an answer and my answer is then challenged by people who seemingly can't present anything plausable on their own yet feel free to tear my response down.

Wake up. There are forces at work , who decided this past year that the political climate in Europe needed changing. The US and Britain in conjuction with NATO and the EU need more support for a colilision to go into Iran. The US military is stretched to the brink now. The American public will be more receptive to an effort involving other countries. The cartoons are for starters. They really just confuse most people. There will be something that occurs to royally piss you off and then you'll be like most Americans in a post 9/11 world who just wanted revenge at any cost. Irrational thought then takes over and fear permeates your existence. At that point in time you are emotionally moldable. You'll then allow civil liberties to be stripped from you for security reasons. I wish to God I was wrong and pray to God I am.
I tend to get a little rude sometimes , so I apologize for being snippy.

Originally posted by Beachcoma
We muslims may worship the same God but I'd hardly say we're united.

LOL! Since you are a Muslim, you should have a better idea of why this is going on then say a Christian or a Jew. Afterall, it's your religion, your "family of faith" that's causing the uproar. You as a Muslim, should know these answers better than anybody. Unless, you're completely clueless about your faith. Too funny!

Originally posted by YIAWETAWake up. There are forces at work , who decided this past year that the political climate in Europe needed changing. The US and Britain in conjuction with NATO and the EU need more support for a colilision to go into Iran. The US military is stretched to the brink now. The American public will be more receptive to an effort involving other countries. The cartoons are for starters. They really just confuse most people. There will be something that occurs to royally piss you off and then you'll be like most Americans in a post 9/11 world who just wanted revenge at any cost. Irrational thought then takes over and fear permeates your existence. At that point in time you are emotionally moldable. You'll then allow civil liberties to be stripped from you for security reasons. I wish to God I was wrong and pray to God I am.

I'll buy that! Sounds completely plausible to me.
That was my first thought when this whole cartoon business started going down.
It's a good thing....cause the USA needs more allies.

YIAWETA,

While I appreciate your participation in this thread, I must point out that you have to supply a more solid fact of hypothesis than that link you provided. It asserts that Denmark is involved.

I myself don't believe that Denmark would willingly subject itself, it's interests and it's citizens to the kind of reaction we are now witnessing. I am sure the Danish government are smarter than that.

I mean look at Denmark. What a highly developed country. Look at the economic stats. Amazing!

I don't know about the other two though, the governments of the US and the UK.. I have some suspicions that certain factions within might be involved, but I have no proof to back it up. So I'll just wait and see what happens.

Beachcoma,
Denmark [the goverment] is only involved from the standpoint of being a part of the coilision that is in Iraq now. The Danish people have nothing to do with this. This involves people in high places who pocket ridiculous sums of $$$$$$$$ and gold to take the fall and print cartoons which have already appeared in papers with no repercussions. There will be war in Iran before the summer. Germany seems to me to be the most likely target for a train bombing or something mood altering. France has had their Muslim 'problem' a few months back. Germany's participation in an Iranian invasion almost assures French , Belgiun and Dutch participation.

Unlike their relative the common garden slug, the CIA & Mossad leave virtually no slimy tracks.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Christianity is a religion founded on the spirtual cleansing power of forgiveness.

Yes it is.
The population of Jerusalem felt that on their own skin in the first Crusades.