iran war with us wouldnt last very long

Ok first post everyone. War with iran wouldnt last very long in my opionion, at most a month at the shortest 2 weeks. I would like to hear everyones opionions on this becuase from reading the post's from you guys everyone seems smart, save a few, theres always a couple in the bunch. The military now gets off on how short wars are with countrys. The united states is ending every war sooner and sooner, im not including post war. I also have a lot of friends in the military and i think i know a lot about histroy and military.

First reason why the usa will pawn every country that it gets in a conflict with, im primarily talking about middle east.
1.we have been developing secret weapons for years for the very reason of testing them out in a major conflict.
2. The usa has spies everywhere, the pentagon papers showed a fraction of this.
3.we have the best military the world has ever seen.
4.usa misinformation on capabilitys of us military showing that we have over extended our forces, doing this to provoke middle eastern thinking that they can take us in a fight. in reality they would get there asses handed to them in a few short weeks. the reason for this is so we can start a war, i dont know the full reasoning behind this.
5. i am convinced that the us has spy satelites capable of launching missiles and lasers.

Ok the usa has mastered laser technology and wants to test it out, i dont have any sites linking you to this information but google it and you'll get a # load. You really think that you have seen all th usa military weapons and capabilities? You really think we spend hundreds of billions of dollars on everyday weapons. The chinese hacked into a usa military website and stole a copy of a ballistic missile with multiple warheads that could hit mulitple targets, how can you possilby think we dont have more # like that. I think some of you forget that the usa is number one in greed, conspiracys and above all power.

Thinking that America can be threatened in anyway is rediculous, the goverment has come up with a plan to deal with any problem anytime anywhere. In my opionion the japanese are building there military becuase of the usa, there going to become our partners in crime i guarentee you.

I would like to hear everyones response on my post and thoughts on our usa's millitary power and opionions on winning wars. Im not thinking im right on anything they are just my opionions.

Yeah thats what they said about Iraq.

im not talking about post war.

Would depend on the mission. If it was to take out the nuclear plants, we'd be in and out in hours. If it was to occupy, we'd never succeed. We'd be stuck there for years, just like Iraq only with more angry people trying to kill our troops. The initial invasion would be over in a matter of weeks, or maybe a couple months, but the occupation would drag on and we'd get bogged down.

Originally posted by nightscape
First reason why the usa will pawn every country that it gets in a conflict with, im primarily talking about middle east.
1.we have been developing secret weapons for years for the very reason of testing them out in a major conflict.
2. The usa has spies everywhere, the pentagon papers showed a fraction of this.
3.we have the best military the world has ever seen.
4.usa misinformation on capabilitys of us military showing that we have over extended our forces, doing this to provoke middle eastern thinking that they can take us in a fight. in reality they would get there asses handed to them in a few short weeks. the reason for this is so we can start a war, i dont know the full reasoning behind this.
5. i am convinced that the us has spy satelites capable of launching missiles and lasers.

point 3 ????

The best military weapons ?

One of the biggest deceptions in the world is the missconception that Russia is no longer the force it once was.
Contrary to what people think Russia has a far superior nucler machine now than the US or anyone.

The newly modified Topol-M missile can travel up to 6000 miles at 1200 mph under radar...........and Russia has been very generous enough to let some of its neigbours have it too !!!

No matter how much is the might of the US military what chance of stopping one of the reputed armed and ready sleeping terrorists inside the US awaiting his call ?

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[edit on 8-2-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

It would be a lot harder to win the war in Iran then it was in Iraq.

For one the Iran forces are a lot better and more well equipped the Iraq's forces was.

Secondly, the terrain they will be fighting in would be a lot harder for the Americans to fight in as there is a major mountain area.

Lastly, the people there do not want to be liberated, they are not in the same position as Iraq. They will take it as a invasion and act accordingly, you will not be fighting the Army you will be fighting the whole country.

Oh and also, remember that you will be fighting a war on three fronts(Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan). Ask yourself can even America cope with that? Personally myself i don't think they could.

The war in Iraq has NOT been won...........its still ongoing.
The war on Afghanistan is the same.



Iran will be a completely different matter as you say.
Whether further 9/11 style attacks will happen in the US BEFORE or after any conflict with Iran is not really clear.

Its looking at the moment like cat and mouse.

interesting theory about the japanese.

war with iran is not that unlikely. maybe usa is just waiting for iran to provoke them. but one thing im certain, isreal is going to be involved in the war one way or another. maybe they are going to go in war with iran even without usa backing them up.

The fact that russia even released that information makes it obsolete as an effective military weapon, as in not a threat. giant countrys dont put there best hand on the table for everyone to see. best weapons are the ones nobody know about. besides it doesnt matter how fast it flyes when we have laser in satelites and 7/47's. 1600 mps is nothing compared to a laser, our laser system technologies are the only ones of the kind in th world and the first of there kind to ever be implemented as a weapon, the sole purpose of these lasers is to stop nukes and anything with a rocket engine. so it pawns nukes like nothing, the good ol usa has already tested the 7/47 aircraft lasers also and they work god damn well. As i said before, the best weapons are the ones no one knows about, the usa's being the global satalite laser system.

Uhh I saw the same program on the discovery channel about the 7/47 thingy they never said anything about it being tested using the 7/47. I think they had a problem with fitting it in the 7/47. The U.S. is also not the only country with laser weapons.

Originally posted by nightscape
War with iran wouldnt last very long in my opionion, at most a month at the shortest 2 weeks. I would like to hear everyones opionions on this becuase from reading the post's from you guys everyone seems smart, save a few, theres always a couple in the bunch. The military now gets off on how short wars are with countrys. The united states is ending every war sooner and sooner, im not including post war. I also have a lot of friends in the military and i think i know a lot about histroy and military.

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your country has never faced this wide varity of terrain in a single country in the last 30 years infact eveyr country you have been too is pretty much mono terrain with very little varity either cold/forest/city,jungle(vietnam),sand/hot/mountain(afghanistan),sand(iraq).

iran has all and every single attribute of all these countries in its own country. to control a country you have to control its terrain with manpower which is backed by tanks,choppers and air power if you look at iran some places are so densely covered with trees that no matter how much air power you have you wont do much just like in vietnam where aeriel bombardments of certain specif areas was difficult and didnt achive its objective.

a ground war with iran will be suicide for any one involved. to control iraq it took troops from USA,England,japan,norway etc..... it took troops form alot of different countries and iraq is pretty much just a flat piece of land covered in sand. iran is almost 3 times larger and the terrain is more complex and is significantly varied where youre country doesnt actaully have enough specialists in that field to actaully be able to control the zone. like the junalised/woodland/mountain region is almost 2/3rds of the size of iraq this are is covered in mountains/snow/forest and hot jungle(depending on how deep you go) if your troops+allies cant control iraq whith tanks,artillery,airpower how are they ever going to be able to control this area with minimal to no air support you would need specialists in mountain/jungle warefare for this region i dont think america has 300,000+ mountain jungle warfare specialists which you guys dont have. and this is the exact same problem russia has been having with cechnya becuase these terrains are so similar you can hide in these regions and ambush from these regions the chechnyans have used the terrain to there advantage and surely iran which is better armed is even better at this.

it will be suicide to go into a ground war with iran. also lets not forget if you ariel bombard iran they can easily spill over there forces into afghanistan and iraq and attack americans stationed there. and there shoulder launched sams and wire guided anti-tank missiles will reak havoc on american millitry hardware.

sorry about the spelling mistakes. im in a hurry to write this becuase i have to go and do something.

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[edit on 8-2-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

#1 I agree a conflict with Iran wouldn’t last that long

#2 There would be no occupation plans for Iran. Defeating a nation and occupying a nation are two entirely different things.

#3 Any attack on Iran WOULD NOT include many boots on the ground so terrain is irrelevant. Some special forces operations and that’s it.

#4 Iran’s military offensive capability would be the target, and air strikes are more than adequate to deal with it.

Originally posted by iqonx

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your country has never faced this wide varity of terrain in a single country in the last 30 years infact eveyr country you have been too is pretty much mono terrain with very little varity either cold/forest/city,jungle(vietnam),sand/hot/mountain(afghanistan),sand(iraq).

iran has all and every single attribute of all these countries in its own country. to control a country you have to control its terrain with manpower which is backed by tanks,choppers and air power if you look at iran some places are so densely covered with trees that no matter how much air power you have you wont do much just like in vietnam where aeriel bombardments of certain specif areas was difficult and didnt achive its objective.

a ground war with iran will be suicide for any one involved. to control iraq it took troops from USA,England,japan,norway etc..... it took troops form alot of different countries and iraq is pretty much just a flat piece of land covered in sand. iran is almost 3 times larger and the terrain is more complex and is significantly varied where youre country doesnt actaully have enough specialists in that field to actaully be able to control the zone. like the junalised/woodland/mountain region is almost 2/3rds of the size of iraq this are is covered in mountains/snow/forest and hot jungle(depending on how deep you go) if your troops+allies cant control iraq whith tanks,artillery,airpower how are they ever going to be able to control this area with minimal to no air support you would need specialists in mountain/jungle warefare for this region i dont think america has 300,000+ mountain jungle warfare specialists which you guys dont have. and this is the exact same problem russia has been having with cechnya becuase these terrains are so similar you can hide in these regions and ambush from these regions the chechnyans have used the terrain to there advantage and surely iran which is better armed is even better at this.

it will be suicide to go into a ground war with iran. also lets not forget if you ariel bombard iran they can easily spill over there forces into afghanistan and iraq and attack americans stationed there. and there shoulder launched sams and wire guided anti-tank missiles will reak havoc on american millitry hardware.

sorry about the spelling mistakes. im in a hurry to write this becuase i have to go and do something.

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[edit on 8-2-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

all of the terrain you just desribed we have in america, and us fighting on the ground with iran would not be suicide, i dont know where you get the idea that it would be suicide. The forest your talking about can be easily cleared with a couple hundred 600lb bombs, im not saying the whole forest but a big enough chunk to make unable to hide very well. Also unless there in caves we can detect there heat with our infrared, then we would shoot 8 million dollar missiles down there throats, oh if there is any survivors after that the marines would mop them up easily.

I think you got your information wrong, the countrys that came with us to iraq didnt do jack #, it was more of a publicity stunt to the world saying look we brought friends we arent doing this alone. believe me the good ol usa of a could take on the whole middle east by themselves, and i gurantee you they have a contingency plan just for that, oh i almost forgot we have troups in south korea training all day in the jungles, my friend just left there and is now in iraq. tells me he hates iraq, says hes been there 2 weeks got shot at almost everyday, seen 3 roadside bombs go off and killed his first man.

the iran forces are sitting ducks, the infrared would own them, we can see just about anything with our satelites. i highly doubt that the iran is better trained then our military forces, you arent even facting in navy seals or rangers, there trained for all of these things and we arent going to occupy iran, that would just be stupid.

Originally posted by nightscape
then we would shoot 8 million dollar missiles down there throats, oh if there is any survivors after that the marines would mop them up easily.

and a great job they are doing in Iraq and afganistan
what is it now over 1000 american killed

Iran on the other hand isnt a third world country like iraq which even the poorest nation could easily bombard and take out

Iran have the missiles to retaliate in force and so forth
which Iraq didnt have the luxuary of

Irananians arent arabs which means they wont run for the hills when a fight comes.

Irans remaining forces aka under gorund resistance after being occupied would be better armed with SAM's and other explosives and so forth to kill 10-30times more then what the Iraq's could

Just a point or two to add to this discussion.

Population:

Iraq: 26,501,647
Iran: 68,471,420

Philosophy:

According to sources, the Iraqi's wanted to be liberated.
Iranians, not likely.

Military:

Iraq: None
Iran: Well, they're not a super power but they aren't unarmed.

This leads me to believe that if you think it would be easy to take Iran, think again.

Perhaps some of us forgot shock and awe.

media.putfile.com...

Thats not even 1 percent of what the USAF and Navy can deliver.

The only thing holding them back from destroying Iran in under a week is civilian casualties.

Also, you may want to check what Iran is equipped with, not much better than Iraq.

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[edit on 8-2-2006 by arkansasmedic]

While the hope is a war with Iran won't happen I believe that it will. I also have confidence in our military, they are determined and more then capable of achieving the goals. The point was made that there is a big difference between war and occupation that is very true. We can win a war with Iran but I don't believe it would be over in a matter of weeks. I don't believe that the United States has any desire to go to war against Iran but if provoked we will and we will win, don't think terrain will stop us our forces train extensively on every type.

Originally posted by arkansasmedic
Thats not even 1 percent of what the USAF and Navy can deliver.

The only thing holding them back from destroying Iran in under a week is civilian casualties.

Hmm, kinda sounds like a little Conflict that ended about 30 years ago, doesn't it.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by arkansasmedic
Thats not even 1 percent of what the USAF and Navy can deliver.

The only thing holding them back from destroying Iran in under a week is civilian casualties.

Hmm, kinda sounds like a little Conflict that ended about 30 years ago, doesn't it.

Difference between now and then is now the bombs will hit their targets everytime. Not to mention the huge technological gap between the US and iran.