A master plan for absolute control over humanity...

I've read much literature, and several posts, declaring that 'the corporations' have the power. They are the ones controlling the media, the politicians, the government... basically everything. I am wondering... is it such a crazy idea that maybe 2000 years ago, some very powerful people got together and mapped out plans for 'their side' to maintain control of the masses. I'm not sure who these people would have been, or even when they would have chartered such a 'master plan'. I'm simply putting forth that whatever is going on now, whoever has the 'absolute power' are simply following the plans of powerful individuals who existed long ago... If anyone has any knowledge or speculation of who these people/organizations etc. could have been, feel free to post...

you would be looking for the illuminati

www.illuminati-news.com...

Thanks for the post. The link leads to a very informative, and extensive, wealth of information regarding the Illuminati. After searching it, however, I am unable to find any information regarding the founding of the Illuminati, the 'original elite', if you will. Can anyone help me find such information?

here's one that should have what you are looking for...

www.the7thfire.com...

Originally posted by Unananimity41
I've read much literature, and several posts, declaring that 'the corporations' have the power. They are the ones controlling the media, the politicians, the government... basically everything.

I find it interesting that, "the number of the Beast is the number of a MAN", and that Corporations have the legal idenity of a "person" with extra 'rights', yet less responsabilities.

It astounds me that folk still promote the privatisation (Corportisation) of Government roles, like finance, health, education etc. when all it does is limit or deny these services to those who can't add to the profits of these private industries while making it all but impossible to change or fix problems, due to their "ownership" of these services we all need.

No there is no NWO to worry about, just a New World Mega Corp.

Corporations have the legal idenity of a "person" with extra 'rights', yet less responsabilities.

exellently stated.
In Australia this is become a major problem. It is the cause of our health crisis. I went to have x rays on my arm yesterday. i waited 4 hrs to see a doctor. and then all she could tell me is she doesn't know what she is looking at.
"there too many bones in hand and wrist to tell whether is broken or no" is how she said it.

This problem is skyrocketing in all corporations in Aus. Finance companies banks, insurance agencies and even Centrelink.
If Australia is the promise land they aren't promising much, but to make our lives harder and harder.

I'd say that it doesn't make sense to say that a group existed 2,000 years ago, and made elaborate byzantine plans to end up with corporations that are influential today. That they silently sat there for all those centuries, having the whole plan before them, doing little more than, say, encouraging some european states to loan out money on interest, develop laws that protect economic agreements, etc etc, just doesn't make sense. If they wanted to do it, they'd've done it after the fall of the empire in the west, or hell, they would've prevented the empire from falling. They wouldn't be able to survive the barbaric and insane centuries that followed after wards. Just look at the history and you can see that there was no organizing principle or body.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
and that Corporations have the legal idenity of a "person" with extra 'rights', yet less responsabilities.

Rather the reverse is true, and indeed the entire idea behind a corporation is to form a body that allows individuals to take on more debt and make better use of their capital so as to build into the economy.

a group existed 2,000 years ago, and made elaborate byzantine plans to end up with corporations that are influential today. That they silently sat there for all those centuries

your insinuating that they new everything 2000 years ago. the idea of corporations running the show has only surfaced in the last 100 years or so.

indeed the entire idea behind a corporation is to form a body that allows individuals to take on more debt and make better use of their capital so as to build into the economy.

also true,
but we're looking a at larger scale than idividuals loaning money.
corporations are separting themselves from governments. this shows the influence they have on our politcal leaders. they are being given rights to do what they want with few consequences.

I think it has little to do with some vast cabal directing humanity, but rather the corporations are concerned with simply making as much money as possible without the hindrance of government regulation.

Well I still maintain that the "mental health" check list (get "The Corporation" DVD, sorry have a look at it. I'm not marketing that product.) that finds corporations to be "sociopaths" is acurate.

People argue away the existance of a NWO but they can't argue away the effects of Global Corportisation, which is already doing what people warn the NWO will do.

The management teams of Corporations are bound by law, to put profit growth first and foremost, even if actions taken to do so, harm other indivduals.

Funding (even when you exclude the palm greasing of Corporate lobbies), the gathering of evidence (of Corporate injustices), and trials to present and prove such, is way out of the reach of those harmed indivduals.

Add various Governments laws around the world that force people to use the products and services of these Private Corporations (from vaccinations to bike helmets, schools to 'protection services', employment 'services' to transport systems) that only grow with each new "terror" or "health risk", and you can pretty well say it's all over, bar the public admission.

But hey, those who support, or deny the existance of, the NWO won't have to 'pay' 'till the end so I supose we should let them enjoy the comfort of their conviction while they can...nah, that would be mean. Inviting them to switch from the "Current Delirium" team to the "Last Laugh" team is the act of 'the bigger man'.

[edit on 6-2-2006 by suzy ryan]

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by suzy ryan
and that Corporations have the legal idenity of a "person" with extra 'rights', yet less responsabilities.

Rather the reverse is true, and indeed the entire idea behind a corporation is to form a body that allows individuals to take on more debt and make better use of their capital so as to build into the economy.

The reverse is true??? Corporations have NO liability towards society and the environment... not any at all! First off, in Law, no penalties apply to moral persons, as the penal code is fashioned for prosecuting real, physical persons and not ghost-like entities such as a corporation. This is one of the reasons why corporations are so hard to sue... as you must sue shareholders for their individual or collective practices and nto for what the corporation has made to society (that's what happened with the Enron trial, as an example).

Also, a corporation, as being a strictly conceptual body, existing only on papers, it cannot be held accountable for anything it is doing to the environment or society... "Who or what has polluted this river with mercury for years? That big grey building? No, it's the business behind it! But who is behind that? Nobody... it's that corporation that is only on paper! Nobody on the boat can!" How can Wal Mart be held responsible for underpaying employees and treating them like slaves? Wal Mart does'nt exist in reality. Shareholders can only be held responsible for having invested into this legal entity, and decided policies designed to make their business grow bigger and be more profitable, this being usually a good legal argument invoked to defend their practices, but not legitimate.

And yes they are being given extra rights and priviledges that individuals cannot have. There are many.

They can...

- evade taxes,
- be given special exploitation rights over land and labor force (such as forbidding labor unions),
- have large residential or agricultural zones reassigned as commercial or industrial zones,
- redefine labor rights to some extent,
- partially or completely move to foreign countries at will (outsourcing), without having the capital reinvested in the domestic economy if they want,
- extensively harass citizens on public places and even in their private lives with tons of publicities of many kinds, telemarketing, spams and the even more invasive person-to-person marketing practices,
- invade public spaces using permits given by municipalities ONLY to businesses usually,
- have their shareholders and executives obtain business visas to foreign countries without submitting to immigration policy imposed on individual travellers, and benefit from special protection policy as per anti-terrorist laws in some western countries such as Canada,
- have full diplomatic immunity in many foreign countries,
- charge millions of customers without signing legal contracts with them,
- spy and eavesdrop citizens through telecommunications and devices such as card chips and RFIDs, and withold private information on them without formally asking for their consent to do so,
- AND, none the less, hiring private militias and armies that thoroughly bypass State jurisdiction and can practice almost any coercition on citizens in the name of protection of private property.

I could forget a few. Real living citizens to not have such lavish rights, as to what I know! And this is without talking about the special priviledges that the government and other businesses gives to corporations, such as business visas, special telecom accounts at incredibly cheap rates, special credit cards, rebates of all kinds and so on.

By giving powers and legitimacy to corporations, modern governments have made a terrible mistake for mankind by creating self-serving monsters that cannot be attacked directly.

And no, Nygdan, the goal of any corporation is not to "build the economy", it's to make profits. Period. Perhaps you meant the "economy of shareholders"... so in that case, you would be right.

Originally posted by Nygdan
I'd say that it doesn't make sense to say that a group existed 2,000 years ago,

Especially because no institutions (including the muchly-defamed Catholic Church) exist unchanged from that day to this.

and made elaborate byzantine plans to end up with corporations that are influential today.

Particularly in this age where theocracies, emperors, kings, and dictators have fallen out of favor. No, if you're going to take over the world, you need three things:
* increase in governments where the people do not have a voice
* decrease in news sources and in literacy
* extreme gap in upper and lower classes, bringing the lower class under the control of the elite.

Then you end up with something very like feudalism, where a few priveleged own all the land AND the people. You then establish "only one religion" and throw out and kill anyone who wants a different one and all the nobles flock behind the one leader and establish a system where the religion props up the nobility and vice-versa. And the ruler owns the banking system.

That they silently sat there for all those centuries, having the whole plan before them, doing little more than, say, encouraging some european states to loan out money on interest, develop laws that protect economic agreements, etc etc, just doesn't make sense. If they wanted to do it, they'd've done it after the fall of the empire in the west, or hell, they would've prevented the empire from falling.

There were a number of times in world history when they could have grabbed the reins, and Rome certainly was one of them (ditto the Greeks under Alexander and his father, Phillip of Macedon.)

Had there been an overall plan and guiding group, they would have established all this and cemented the power by marrying and intermarrying their children and their descendants (one leader taking the daughter of another as part of his harem) as was done in the earlier days of Europe or China.

While I think there are indeed secret cabals that want to take over the world or part of the world, my opinion is that they're the ones we know about like Al Qaida or some of the ultra-extremist militant Christians. Unless we develop a culture where reading is lost and stupidity is encouraged, the "ruling elite" scenario appears to be gone forever.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
...Corporations have the legal idenity of a "person" with extra 'rights', yet less responsabilities...

That is so true. As long as there are greedy corporations with more money than the citizens there will be corruption. It can work the other way, too...

On one side you have corporations and on the other you have people...when the corporations gain money and power and influence, they can exploit the other side.. the people... the people cry out how terrible the world has become under the rule of the evil corporations, so they rebel... they join revolutionary groups and form new political parties...... they form a government which then wrestles control out of the hands of the corporations...

They are both very tricky, those governments, they have spies and they have double or triple agents.. each side is infested with the other...

What each side fails to realize, or, more likely, refuses to admit, is that this isn't a left-right continuum, it is at its very simplest a circle with government on one side and corporations on the other and between them both are the people.

so much is hidden
why are they in power
they kill and get away with it
they lie and get away with it
we want peace
why do they start wars
why have power above the other, when your just the same
we want freedom, and they take it away
they think like we are cattle
why kill us all off, when you will have nothing afterwards
we keep the countrys going thru our work, not you lazy attention seeking reverse psychology minds
if we was to stop working they will collapse, they would say why!, yeh hows it feal...
when do we have peace, when we rid of thos who cause havoc